A new report from Motor Trend indicates the twin-turbocharged 4.2-liter Blackwing V8 engine won’t appear in the next-generation Cadillac Escalade nor in the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing model.
Motor Trend spoke to an anonymous, high-level source within General Motors, who revealed cost-cutting measures will prevent the Blackwing V8 from appearing in either of the future Cadillac products.
In the case of the Escalade, the source told the publication that the SUV’s new independent rear suspension has sucked up a lot of the development funds allocated to the program, so GM has decided to settle for one of its pushrod V8s instead of the DOHC V8. GM may use its 6.2-liter L87 V8 in the SUV, which produces 420 horsepower and 460 pound-feet of torque. We also know a high-performance Escalade variant is under development, but if this new report is accurate, that variant will likely use the supercharged 6.2-liter LT4 V8 from the C7 Corvette Z06 and Camaro ZL1 rather than the Blackwing V8.
Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing Prototype
As for the Cadillac CT5, both the sedan and the Cadillac XT6 crossover were originally going to us the Omega platform that serves in the Cadillac CT6, the MT report says. Instead, GM opted to use less-expensive platforms, putting the CT5 on an evolved version of the GM Alpha platform called Alpha 2 and utilizing the front-wheel-drive C1XX platform for the XT6. Neither of these platforms was designed with the Blackwing in mind, so they won’t be tapping the twin-turbo DOHC V8 either. MT also says the XT6 has no room in its front-end for anything bigger than the current 3.6-liter LGX V6 engine – so don’t hold your breath for a twin-turbo V6 performance model.
Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing Prototype
It’s hard to confirm this report’s validity. Its claims are not outside of the realm of possibility, but we’d still take it with a small grain of salt. Lending some validity to the matter is the fact that this isn’t the first time we’ve heard the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing won’t be getting the actual Blackwing V8 engine. Earlier this year, rumors surfaced that indicated both the CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing would use familiar GM engines – with the CT5 performance variant getting a supercharged LT4 V8 and the CT4 receiving twin-turbocharged 3.6-liter LF4 V6.
Currently, the only Cadillac product available with the twin-turbocharged DOHC V8 Blackwing engine is the CT6 and the high-performance CT6-V, the latter of which was built in very limited numbers. It’s not clear what other plans GM could have for the engine – if any.
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Source: Motor Trend
This report was written in collaboration with our sister publication, Cadillac Society.
Comments
The direction of Cadillac has been broken for decades. The last glimmer of hope was Bob Lutz’s involvement around 2003-2010
I beg to differ.
Johan De Nysschen, Ewe Ellinghaus, and Ed Welburn together was the last glimmer of hope for Cadillac.
De Nysschen, because as I stated before, had a clear vision of Cadillac’s future competing in the top tier of “volume” performance-luxury makes such as Mercedes-Benz.
Ellinghaus had a lot to be criticized in his Dare Greatly marketing approach, but we knew that, at least in the boardroom, he would team up with De Nysschen to push back whenever the beancounters try to pass a Chevrolet or Buick off as a Cadillac.
Lastly, I don’t think people on here realize how essential Ed Welburn’s design direction is for GM, let alone Cadillac. You think it’s a coincidence that Cadillac exterior design is becoming less distinctive after his retirement? You think he would’ve approved of the XT6? Now that he’s gone, Cadillac design is losing it’s soul.
GM: We need Cadillac to do better
Also GM: Forces Cadillac to come out with mediocre vehicles and expects the best.
It’s genuinely really sad. Cadillac has the potential to be great, but Miss Barra simply will not allow it
Cadillac, and GM as a whole is in danger. Especially with Barra and Reuss at the helm. Some say Reuss is the “car guy” with the C8 to prove it, but I say the C8 is merely a compliance vehicle for enthusiasts.
Remember, the other GM brands can ONLY rise as high as the brand above it allows.
If Cadillac will be cost-cut to oblivion, where will that leave Buick and GMC?
If Buick and GMC must be de-contented to avoid cannibalizing Cadillac, where does that leave Chevrolet?
I doubt all 4 brands will survive the 2020-2029 decade.
I can completely see 1 (maybe 2, but 1 for sure) being discontinued.
With electric cars becoming more popular, how are they going to have 4 tiers of electric cars? Does that mean the Chevy is not allowed to have range because it’s the lowest? Or is there no point in buying the Cadillac EV because Chevy has too much range etc.
Even with gas cars, they struggle to maintain 4 brands. Buick is essentially only alive because of China. It’s lineup is being reduced from 6 to 4 vehicles as we speak.
At least list it as an order able option, hell if Tesla can fulfill customers orders to spec why can’t GM allocate a special service to Cadillac for custom orders. Literally ever reputable “Luxury” manufacture has a program tailored for this. Mercedes with Maybach and AMG, BMW with Alpina, Lexus with F, Land Rover with SVR.
The escalade only comes in 2 major variances. The regular wheelbase and the Long wheelbase. Remarkably with only ONE engine choice. I realize the Escalade is still a top seller but more engine variations or the options thereof do not hurt.
Lexus F sport is a trim package. Not a performance package.
CT5 configuratior is live, by the way
I don’t understand this theory, the R&D has already been spent developing it. Wouldn’t it be better to put the blackwing in as many cars as possible to get the money value back?
By limiting it to car that sells in the few hundreds (Vtrim) is a huge mistake IMO. I’m good with putting the LT4 in the CT5 but the Escalade should have gotten the blackwing without question
U don’t, because mt and gma gave u a wrong information.
LT5 int the CT5 plz
The XT6 would’ve been way more interesting on the Omega platform, especially in a V Blackwing configuration.
No, no.
“LuXurY SUV bUyErS dOn’T cArE mUcH aBoUt HaNdLiNg oR pErFoRmAnCe.”
“CaDiLlAcS dOn’T nEeD tO bE rWd/AwD.”
“ThEsE wIlL sElL lIkE hOtCaKeS aNyWaY.”
Do I even need to say how I feel about this?
Does everyone now see what I have been saying for years. Unbelievable.
Momolos,
Ditto for me. I hate to always be so negative but there’s just nothing good to say.
GM wants Cadillac to be a lower Tier 2 or Tier 3 bargain luxury brand. I want them to compete with, but never to copy, BMW and Mercedes. I want them to reassert their former status as Standard of the World; essentially to live up to their name instead of continuing to try and live off of it. I want them on par with, or above, Mercedes but uniquely American and quintessentially Cadillac. That clash of desire leads to all the negativity from me. I want greatness. GM wants mediocrity. It is clear to me now, Cadillac will never be what I want. They will never be what they once were. It is foolish to wish and hope for it. Doing that only leads to eternal disappointment.
Cadillac is a blue collar discount luxury brand with products built cheaply, discounted heavily, and that depreciate quickly. That’s all they will ever be.
I knew when GM announced the Blackwing V8 as a hand-built engine that its application would be limited and its lifespan short. This news only affirms my thinking. For me this news isn’t unbelievable, for Cadillac to have actually built something class-leading is what I wouldn’t have been able to believe.
Same here,
Just another sad day for Cadillac !!
@Ci2Eye
I hate being Negative as well. I love Cadillac and want them to taker over in the Tier One Luxury Market but the GM Bean-Counters simply do not think long Term Strategy.
Yep. We want Cadillac to succeed and become a celebrated brand again. The folks with the power to make that happen only want to make easy money off of a storied name. Therefore, we will eternally be disappointed. It’s as simple as that.
There are times when car guys gain some power and push for what enthusiasts want (as did de Nysschen) but it never lasts for long and their efforts are always short-changed by the short-sighted, be speckled penny pinchers. The irony is that products like the CT6 fail because of their cost-cutting shortcomings but then their failures are used to promote the narrative that exclusive, purpose-built RWD cars can’t make money and succeed. I would argue that they could if done properly from the outset.
CT6 was the best product Cadillac had built in 40 years in my opinion but that wasn’t enough. Being the best Cadillac in 40 years isn’t saying much. It still needed to be the best in the world; better than an S Class or 7 Series. Had the car been launched with the Blackwing and a much more upscale interior and perhaps a few years earlier I believe it would’ve been enormously successful. Instead, it was hamstrung by lame corporate engines, a cheap interior and debuted just in time for the shift away from sedans. Despite these facts, CT6 sold rather well comparatively. It just didn’t do well enough for GM. They are not a niche carmaker and have no patience for anything that can’t quickly sell in mass-market volumes.
I’ve given up on Cadillac and faced reality. Despite being a red-blooded American, my luxury cars will have to continue to come from Germany. Had I been alive in Cadillac’s heyday, I could’ve driven a car festooned with the classic Wreath and Crest but I wasn’t and those days are now bygone; relegated to a history that is never going to repeat.
I’ve got it now, Cadillac. You’ve made that abundantly clear to me, and to all of us. Forgive us for hoping.
Sometimes all you can do is dream. That is what I do.
You guys, this information isn’t accurate or factual. It’s a rumor, a prediction. Cadillac hasn’t announced the Blackwing engine discontinuation nor have they announced the power-train(s) for the CT4-V, CT5-V, and Escalade yet. Calm down.
Also, the Cadillac XT6 was never going to be RWD in the first place. It’s purpose was to offer consumers a XT5 with a third-row. That’s literally all the XT6 is. It’s meant to compete directly with the Lexus RX-L which is just a FWD Lexus RX with a third-row. If proper research was done people would know the Lexus RX is the best seller of that segment. That’s the market Cadillac was gunning for with the XT5 and XT6. Neither of which were ever designed to boast “V-series” variants with V8 engines and “track” modes.
GM isn’t the kind company to waste funds developing an engine only to use it in ONE vehicle. Come on you guys, y’all are smarter than this right?!?
I bet it ends up in the Corvette. The Escalade with a supercharged LT4 would be fast as hell and i’m sure no one is going to complain.
Another fake news from gma.
*Uck Mt they don’t know anything. Escalade and many upcoming models will get this engine. This is not a guess.
I seen this a couple of places on line so it could be true or not too.
Luigi Vampa,
You have to be a Cadillac dealer owner.
There is not even a glimmer of hope here.
Your just trying to make people believe in the tooth fairy because you are selling teeth.
My belief is, GM is done with Cadillac !!
GM has given the last bit of moldy cash to Cadillac and mandated a EV that is out of this world.
But for the next 3 years or so it will be a trickle of hope coming from the likes of you as there might be better coming.
Meanwhile sales will continue to slip as the hopes of the onslaught of ” Good Enough ” Cadillacs slips away.
Cadillac will continue to add a few new buyers to the SUV line for a 3 year lease in order to check it out, only to find out it is horribly behind.
And Cadillac will continue to move the loyal buyers between the SUVs, not gaining much ground just a different looking Chevrolet.
But this is opinion not based on facts other then the obvious.
Same as your opinion that there is still after 10 to 15 years, a better than Chevrolet Cadillac to come.
Hear is to hoping you are the correct one here and I will munch on all that beautiful great new Cadillac crow to come.
Everyday it seems like I lose interest in Gm
Cadillac last glimmer was during JDN’s appointment. Now they are back to leadership by committee.
This is bigger than Mary. These things are influenced by the board. They have done this for nearly 40 years long before Mary came in the picture.
The Board is powerful and have done more damage than good.
POW,
I 100% agree with you..
Go ahead you can even thumbs down that if you would like !!
Just go away?
Where are the creditable numbers on the mini van that show they are not in a major decline?
Well? We are waiting!
C8.R says:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/usa-minivan-annual-sales-volume-2005-2018.png
Here is a graph if you need one to better understand.
Here are the numbers you posted for me to look at !!
Just because GM cant compete in these segments, doesn’t mean there aren’t numbers sold !!
2019 appx 360,000 to 400,000 mini vans sold !
Where are your Corvette sales numbers that justify that one !!!
Just go away, ” O ” that’s right, you just change your name, scott3 !!
Lifelong
1.1 million minivans sold in 2005
400,000 projected minivan sales in 2019
Hate to burst your bubble, but minivan sales are falling.
I also pointed out that the sales were down nearly 30% in the last 2.5 years but he thinks he knows better.
Thanks Peter for keeping informed and sharing.
C8.R,
As far as we know here Peter G, is scott3 aka C8.R, aka , Peter G.
Peter G.
Your not bursting anything !!!
Unlike scott3 AKA C8.R I CAN read numbers !!!
Those are the exact numbers I took form what he posted.
But if you look at 2009 minivan sales don’t look that bad and a few years after that they rose !!!
The point I am trying to make is this, scott3 you listening ?
Mini van sales are NOT going away, sedan sales are NOT going away !!
Did I say EVER that minivan sales are greater than truck sales ?
Did I say once that minivan sales are greater than midsized or slightly smaller SUV sales ?
NO, NO I have never said that !!
Again, one more time, just for one more times sake.
I think, it is my opinion,
That GM should have a vehicle to compete in the largest segments !!
By the largest segments I mean, every different segment with forever longevity.
You see, I do thing GM cant see the forest through the trees, at times !!
In the USA:
Trucks , are NOT going away !!
Full sized SUVs, are NOT going away !!!
Midsized SUVs, are NOT going away !!!
HD trucks, are NOT going away !!
Smaller SUVs are NOT going away !!!
Luxury vehicles, are NOT going away !!
Sedans, are NOT going away !!
Minivans, are NOT going away !!
The overall sales numbers PROVE , beyond a shadow of doubt the truth here !!
Look at the total numbers sold in the segment !!!
Again, I am NOT saying, GM should quit making trucks and make minivans.
I am saying, JUST BECAUSE GM HAS CHOSEN NOT TO COMPETE in a segment, does NOT mean the sales are going away !!
Like sedan sales, full sized SUV sales, and minivan sales, along with others, the sales numbers will increase and decrease as needed to fill the slot that is NOT going away !!
As fuel prices move, families change, and boomers die, things are changing.
Watch EVs in the next 10 years !!!
C8.R has been lobbing for years to stop that from happening !!
So AGAIN, I am NOT saying minivan sales, RIGHT NOW are NOT declining !!!!
I AM saying, I think, with the numbers C8.R provided, it warrants a better than ” Good Enough ” entry form GM.
More than the C8 Vette !!
Where are the numbers that warrant that ?
C8.R AKA scott3 is silent on that one !!
Its a boomer ego car. A halo from Mark Reuss !!
There was and is no sales numbers to back up the cost from a business standpoint.
You see Scott3, is a GM influencer, performance enthusiast, 60’s muscle car guy, and does NOT belong making decisions for a 2020 auto company !!
What do you get from those decisions:
A lot of old V8s,
The BEST vehicle GM makes, is one of the LOWEST sales numbers vehicle. ( below a minivan )
Some of the WORST luxury offerings.
And an EV that is a box with wheels.
Way to go scott3 !!!
Its a success !!
The numbers prove it !!
Look everywhere !!
Look anywhere !!
GM market share of vehicles has done NOTHING but go DOWN, DOWN, and DOWN some more !!!
But you keep it up there old scott3, keep GM pushing those 60’s vehicles for you.
Don’t let GM make anything better than ” Good Enough ”
After all good enough is all you have ever been able to afford nobody needs better than that !!
Its people like scott3 aka C8.R that keep Cadillac from being the best, WHY, Because he wants the new vette and the current Cadillac is ” Good Enough “
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2019-us-minivan-sales-figures-by-model/
Read it and weep. These sales are just a drop in the bucket to what they once were and what the CUV models are selling.
GM can move nearly as many Equinox and Terrains alone as the entire segment of Mini Vans move.
No matter if you can compete or not you do not invest in a dying segment when the ROI it 10 times more in other segments.
@C8.R
You are completely correct. GM has Changed to ONLY care about their Shareholders instead of their Staff and Customers. It is a real Shame and extremely Short Sighted.
Momolos,
How do you figure that General Motors ONLY cares about their shareholders? GM doesn’t get nearly enough credit for anything they do right. People will always complain no matter what they build.
“revealed cost cutting measures will prevent the Blackwing V8 from appearing in either of the future Cadillac products.”
“As for the Cadillac CT5, both the sedan and the Cadillac XT6 crossover were originally going to us the Omega platform that serves in the Cadillac CT6, the MT report says. Instead, GM opted to use less expensive platforms”
I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya! Well, not that shocked. *Rolls eyes*
One would think putting the 4.2 in the Escalade is a no brainier. It would help them recover the hundreds of millions of dollars they spent developing it, especially with the CT6 fiasco.
Ugh, who’s making these decisions?
“Neither of these platforms were designed with the Blackwing in mind.”
Regarding the Alpha platform, Shouldn’t an engine be designed with multiple chassis’ or chassis variations in mind, a plug & play kinda thing & not the other way around? Think VAG’s TTV8 for example, one engine across high performance sedans, wagons, coupes & SUVs. How could GM be so shortsighted over and over again?
Hey this is NOT Volkswagen, BMW or Toyota you’re talking about. This is GM. Their best and brightest minds can’t plan lunch tomorrow much less engineer different engines over different platforms, unless it’s a cheap 4 cylinder turbo. That engine will fit in any Chevy or Cadillac.
Oh you mean the same Toyota that builds chassis to fit engines from other manufacturers because they’re too cheap to build them themselves? Please sit down.
Everyday it becomes clearer why JDN was removed from Cadillac. Instead of rushing cars to market like the XT6 is now, he envisioned it being on Omega and with probably the 3.0TT (maybe even Blackwing). Under him the Escalade was for sure going to get the Blackwing but now we see GM wanted to rush the product and cost control it. All to make up for lost time/revenue for failing to see the SUV boom. (XT4 + XT6)
The cost cutting discussed in the MT article online is probably due in part to the UAW strike and GM focusing on EVs. The company did say that they’re looking to cut costs wherever they can to make up for the $3bn AND (separately) that they will now be spending more on EV tech than ICE.
So because GM can’t plan for the future we’re left with 1 good product (CT6 Blackwing) that should influence other products, but instead they keep adjusting their “plan” and waiting for the future
Kyle,
Are we really left with one good product? No one will say but numerous media sources reported that CT6 and Impala production are still ending in January despite GM agreeing to keep Hamtramck open as part of the UAW contract negotiations,
From CNBC:
“A fourth plant in Detroit that was also slated for closure, as previously reported by CNBC, will be spared to build a new all-electric pickup for the automaker, if the deal is ratified. The assembly plant is still slated to end production of the Cadillac CT6 and Chevrolet Impala by January”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/gm-deal-with-uaw-includes-closing-three-us-plants-11000-ratification-bonuses.html
JDN confirmed this himself: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/cadillac/xt6/2020/2020-cadillac-xt6-pros-and-cons-review/
“We were fortunate to have Johan de Nysschen—who was president of Cadillac when the XT6 was being developed—as a guest judge. He didn’t pull punches, saying the 3-row crossover should have been based on GM’s Omega RWD platform, which underpins the CT6. But Cadillac chose to fast-track the XT6, given the popularity of 3-row SUVs and the hole the brand had in its lineup. That led to the XT6 being based on the five-seat XT5, saving development time and cost, ‘but inevitably, it would force compromises versus a purpose-developed premium crossover architecture,’ de Nysschen said.”
It’s written in stone. GM didn’t want to be patient enough and give Cadillac a real chance to be top tier
GM betting the farm on EVs. You would think a company based in Michigan’s cold a$$ winter would have figured out by now that EVs and cold don’t mix.
At all.
I actually have no problem with this. The older 6.2 will be more reliable and easier to fix than the Blackwing. Most people buying the Escalade wont care.
Well, that explains things. The lackluster CT5 design really made no sense, especially with the CT6 MCE being so good. Now we know it’s a copy-paste design from the Omega platform. There is no doubt in my mind that Omega CT5 had real windows behind the rear doors. Even with the Escalade interior possibly turning out quite nice, I’m afraid it will be a one-off….that it was just too late in development to be made more cost efficient.
Lackluster? You people are delusional. The CT5’s design is gorgeous especially the interior. A serious upgrade from it’s predecessor. If you think a “real window” behind the rear door (which is just a tiny, thin piece of glass) is more expensive than a Cadillac logo engraved veneer over body colored sheet metal then what you think is irrelevant anyway because your way of thinking is illogical.
You’ve clearly NEVER stepped foot inside a base model CTS. Lackluster would be those cheap looking gauges and that instrument cluster straight out of a 1980’s Oldsmobile. Lackluster was the CTS’ 6-speed auto transmission. Lackluster was the plastic speaker covers and switches in the CTS from a Chevy product.
Your comment makes absolutely no sense. The Cadillac CT5 is literally worlds better than the Cadillac CTS. A tiny piece of glass in the c-pillar above the rear wheel arch would only increase road noise and worsen the quietness and comfortability of the cabin. They built the CT5 correctly.
Mary Bara likes 4 bangers. Cadillac may go to a 3 cylinder hybrid flywheel if Mary gets her wish. HA HA
So many experts>>So little Time..
Is this to mean, at GM so many experts >> So little time ?
Or everyone else in the world, less China, has so many experts>> So little time ?
Because GM has been playing the same game with Cadillac in the US for years with zero results !!
To me that for sure doesn’t make them experts !!!
So many people on here talking like this is the end of Cadillac. The most important thing the new Escalade needed was a new interior and exterior design. That’s done !
I think the vast majority of people buying this truck have no problem with it coming with a truck engine. If i was buying a Escalade i would prefer a super charged 6.2 over a more complex twin turbo OHC V8.
This is a mass produced truck, so it makes sense to give it a more reliable mass produced engine.
I’m feeling pretty gloomy about Cadillac. It’s not because I think it’s the end, though. It’s because after nearly two decades of hoping, I’m realizing that it’s never going to make the jump that I’ve for years felt was “just a few years away”. There have been flashes, and I’m sure there will be more, but the overall trend is pointed towards ‘Its never going to make the jump’.
+10.
The outgoing CTS and ATS were solid entries. They had their flaws but had a solid enough foundation to build upon. I was so looking forward to their follow ups to address the shortcomings.
Save for the idiotic nomenclature change, I think JDN was about the long term outlook and not about short term gains. He was trying to create a ‘REAL’ luxury marque but was definitely not a fit with GM.
Thing is, the current crave for CUVs, and Cadillacs offerings will sell and keep the brand alive. I think the result though won’t be impetus to change to be a luxury standard.
Haven’t heard anything recently, but guessing production on the CT6 will end early next year. Won’t need any Blackwings there. Probably just makes sense to cut losses and forget the 4.2.
Sadly, I found performance figures with both versions of 4.2 in CT6 to be underwhelming. 0-60 times of 3.8 and 4.4 is not impressive for 550 and 500 with AWD!
Just as an aside have been reading/hearing more about long term issues with the hot Vs. Apparently the configuration results in high temps creating engine reliability issues prematurely. Probably better off with Chevy small blocks! Proven reliability with them!
3.8 isn’t adequate enough!!?? Outside of the fact that I’ve lost much love for Cadillac, 3.8 is rather swift and impressive.
Was just reading a review of the upcoming Audi RS6 Avant. 0-60=3.4 secs.
Can a vehicle at least get a chance to become mobile before it hits 60!!?? LOL!
GM is Bipolar. There will be no other diagnosis or evaluation needed.
Carry on GM…
Well that explains why they use lithium in their batteries.
Just saw this. Very funny!
they already told us the cadillac is going to end up being a performance electric brand. This last batch of ICE cars from cadillac are all placeholders and they aren’t going to pour tons of development money into dead end platforms. GM is completely consolidating its platforms to the VSS variants over the next 5 years, with electric sub-variants. That will probably mean new engines, new drivetrains, etc. It just plain doesn’t make sense to spend big money shoehorning a one-off halo engine into multiple different platforms with various drivetrains already engineered.
Once again, people have these pie-in-the-sky fantasies about what cadillac “should be”. It’s really easy to sit in your bedroom somewhere dreaming about cadillac being the “ultimate” everything with the nicest most bespoke engines “the world has ever seen”. That isn’t the real world. But because its “cadillac” and they have a “history” people think somehow that economic realities do not apply to cadillac. Well they do. They have development budgets just like any other car anywhere.
Do you really thing GM cares if a few thousand people on the internet are pissed off because they won’t put the Blackwing into the escalade? I bet you only 1 or 2 of those people are true buying customers anyway. Most are just glorified armchair quarterbacks with high ideas and no clue what actually happens in the real world.
Here’s the real world, I’ll lay it out for you. It is far cheaper for GM to continue to put its known, tested, tried and true small block V8 in the Escalade, and thats the long and the short of it. Get over it. It makes 460 lb/ft of torque, its compact and easy to fit in the engine bay, and lots of vehicles share that motor so there is an already established parts network. The vast majority of escalade customers will continue to appreciate and enjoy that engine. A few people on the internet will cry about it, and the proceed NOT to buy an escalade anyway. Not that they were even going to buy one in the first place.
Don’t get me wrong, I think the blackwing is awesome. But the level of whining is just getting to be unbearable here with anything concerning cadillac.
I’m sure the vast majority here are well aware of their own irrelevance. Do YOU realize that this is basically a GM fan website? The lack of objectivity should not be a surprise…it’s almost the entire point.
Thank you, Brian. I couldn’t have said it better myself. These people do nothing but bit*h, moan, and cry about everything Cadillac does and doesn’t do. It’s gotten to a point where every article is flagged with negative nancies who take away the fun from this website.
The Omega platform does NOT support an SUV configuration, and this fact alone makes the whole rumor which is written above extremely doubtful.
I’ve already asked my sources. They said this was a fail by the MT 🙂
Its a shame that GMA is too weak to figure out whats the truth is. U guys simply reposted the Mt’s bs.
Blackwing is not going anywhere. Believe me. Not only the upcoming Escalade will get it. Mark my words.
You people need to chill out god!!!! This is ridiculous. They announce that they are not going to use the black wing engine but may instead still use a high powered v8 variant engine that could produce more hp and you people still complain. Thats still not a disappointment to me because they have not given up on these cars being powerful. Almost everybody on this website does nothing but complain about every little thing. And yes, ik Gm can be an ass sometimes but there is no reason to get all upset over something that has not happened. Articles can be biased and wrong on certain things, but even though they mention something doesn’t mean its right.
If true, a performance Escalade with 640HP isn’t exactly a bad thing but science needs to dissect GM’s brain to figure out what their malfunction is. There’s so many things wrong with this Blackwing scenario that it’s hard to know where to start. I guess I’ll wait for an official announcement on this one.
How much do you think this decision has to do with the EPA regs opening. If GM no longer has to make refined, efficient powertrains GM for sure will not spend a dime on advancements unless someone pushes. And not the customer, the federal government is the only body of power that will advance GM. If GM could, we would still have the first small blocks with raw gas running out the exhaust. Its cheaper !!
A twin turbo engine will be more efficient for the same power output.
Is the 6.2 a great engine, yep, it sure is.
Is the 3.6 a great engine, yep, it sure is.
Are they fuel pigs in relation to a lesser CC turbo engine with the same or higher output !!
Yep, they sure are !!!! For the average all around driving.
Lincoln, go there…….
Was waiting for the Blackwing to come out and was going to buy an Escalade not now GM always pulls this —-
This says it all…Cost Cutting..
There are far more songs in popular culture with the word Cadillac in them than all other car makes combined because it used to mean something. What does it stand for now?
This should be reason enough to fire GM CEO Mary Barra, the Blackwing V8 was developed so Cadillac didn’t need to borrow the LT4 supercharged 6.2L V8 from Chevrolet and now just as the Blackwing V8 is ready for production, it won’t be available to the vehicles that need the Blackwing V8 the very most; one has to wonder how any why the GM Board of Directors is keeping Mary Barra because I would have bounced out years ago.
Blackwing costs too much. They can reuse those Chevy engines for a lot less money. Mary, like all her recent predecessors, likes to do products on the cheap so they’ll be plenty left over for her $20 million salary.
Trouble is that with luxury products it is exclusivity, technology, material quality, refinement, etc. that differentiates them from mainstream models and Cadillacs are left with none of that due to the GM’s worship of cheap. This is why Cadillac no longer sells cars to the truly wealthy and sophisticated.
So who does Cadillac sell vehicles to since you’ve got it all figured out? I can’t tell you how many people purchase a Mercedes-Benz S-Class and beside it sits a Cadillac Escalade or GMC Yukon Denali. You morons are so funny because you think you got it all figured out and have no clue how wrong you really are. Marty’s salary has absolutely nothing to do with this company having budgets that must be followed. Just like every competitor of Cadillac has, there will be cost cutting to some degree. You sound like a uneducated fool.
Cost cutting at GM! Noooooo they never ever do that. Rolls eyes.
With all the vehicles that have been dropped and more on the horizon I predict that by the end of the decade there will be an even leaner GM with yet another division sent to the scrap heap. maybe 2
After reading the article, obviously i happened to look at some of the comments above. Alot of them I happen to agree with about the sketchy future of GM with the direction things are currently going. I currently worry about both GM and Ford and how much longer they’re going to be around with the way things are and the dumb things that they’re doing. We all know that electric cars are becoming a thing and honestly, most people are fine with that. However the problem is that just because they are becoming a part of this automotive world, doesn’t mean that everyone wants one. GM could take one of it’s dying brands (Buick, to be more specific) and focus it’s electric vehicles under the Buick umbrella. Because Buick is so small, GM could offer whatever percentage of electric cars the company needs to have under the Buick brand and work it out that way. As nice as GMC trucks are, honestly they could just be a package on the Chevrolet Trucks and Crossovers. No real need for them to be a brand. Cadillac is obviously proving that RWD performance sedans have worth so why not have Chevrolet version since they’re all on the VSS-R platform anyway. Honestly GM’s best idea was one they just killed about 3-years ago and that was the Holden HSV line of cars. Bring them up as Chevrolet vehicles on the VSS-R platform. Offer pedestrian versions of them as well and call it a day. Another thing is, get rid off all of all of those ECOTEC engines. GM should have the 2.7L turbo, a 3.0 Twin turbo, a 3.6L Twin Turbo, the LT V8 engine family, the Blackwing engines, diesels and that’s really it besides whatever electric powertrains they’re going to do. Offer a 10-speed transmission, a DCT transmission, a 10-speed diesel trans, the corvette powertrain and the electrtic powerrain. It’s not rocket science.
heres to what caddilac could have been.
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/12/modern-buick-regal-gnx-rendered/comment-page-2/#comments
sevvile- Alpha chassis GT car with bmw m8 coupe body shape, front like elmiraj
XT4- Omega platform compact crossover
XT5- Fwd/awd midsize cross
XT6- Omega platform full size cross, same look as today but more agressive with side vents like those found behind the elmiraj front tire
Escalade- Current thing with updated styling, available 5.3 and 3.0 duramax, also a V-4×4 version like a trailboss but classier
CT4-5 on alpha, CT6 and Eldorado on omega.
The link I showed up high was for where I described a V6 that could replace the 3.0TT and the 3.6 would be replaced by 2.7t