GMC Hummer EV Edition 1 Pickup Range Confirmed By GM

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• Help me here. I live in the northeast and have a ski house 220 miles away. I have heard winter time and running a heater can drastically reduce range. So if i drive up with a full battery in 0 weather with the heater on, can I make the 220 miles? All i know is what I have read below from AAA.

  "A 2019 AAA study of five models of electric cars found that 20-degree weather can shorten an EV's driving range by 41% when the heater is on, a combination of that draw and the temperature challenges we saw above. "

  • Its not that bad in My EV's both have heat pumps, but col weather does affect range.

  • This is where preconditioning your vehicle (IE heating/cooling the vehicle while still plugged in,) before your trip can vastly help range as will using heated/cooled seats instead of the less efficient cabin heater when possible.

    Doing this in my Volt I've never seen anything close to 41% in range reduction in the winter, more closer to 20%.

    • In a perfect world preconditioning while hooked to shore power is a great idea, but rarely can happen in the real world except from your garage in the morning. Out on a skiing trip or long distance trip there is no EVSE to plug into, so the EV is on its own.

      • All the Ski resorts in my area have Level 2 Chargers available, and more and more places are offering destination chargers. It's becoming less of an issue.

        Besides, with OP above they are going from their home to a Ski house, so both locations they will have the opportunity to plug in, even if one will be 120V.

        • Do you have your fancy Gucci scarf on while you are at aspen drinking your $50 a cup tea? Does the door man plug your ev up for you?

      • So 329 x. 7 = 229 miles. I also saw someone said over 75mph negatively affects range. Have you experienced that. Not saying I speed but usually it's 77mph and the cops don't care.

        • Speed definitely hurts range, aerodynamic drag is the largest force acting against a vehicle at highway speed, and as speed increases it goes up quick, this is not linear. 77mph in the Hummer EV is likely around 1 kWh per mile.

  • Worst case scenario you could loose a third of the expected range, at least with something like a Bolt. The Ultium system is likely more efficient than previous iterations so unless you're driving 75 plus MPH with the heat set to 75F you should be good with 220 mile trip.

    Last winter we saw temps between 0 and -25F for about 10 consecutive days. The range in my Bolt was ~190 under those conditions. EPA range in 238.

  • Need minimum 500 mile range in 0 degree weather with heater running and bigger screen. Also, 40k price drop.

    • Not possible unless you build it yourself for less than what it cost for GM.

  • I also live in northeast and had a Volt, currently have a Bolt. I have a 60 mile one way commute. 'Preconditioning' while plugged in does not help all that much on either of the cars. Bank on 30% reduction when heater on, based on what I've experienced.

  • I read through the attached email chain of replies and there seems to be another variable factor to consider on top of the cold and traveling speed factor: - Elevation. How much elevation gain do you have from your starting point to you ski house?

    • About 1000 feet. But that's a good call. I'm going to wait and see, I don't like the idea at all that with 3 kids I'm forced to charge up before getting there. Maybe v2 fixes it.

  • Skip the 35inch wheel/tire package and your range should be increased quite a bit. The standard tire should be more than sufficient for snow and moderate off-roading and give you the range you’re looking for.

  • You must consider elevation change, assuming you are driving uphill. You’ll get it back coming down, but that doesn’t help you get there.

• Should of had the choice between electric or gas

  • This platform will not work for ICE, this is designed for BEV only

• I just read on another site that retail deliveries will begin in December. Yay.

  • Retail production starts Monday, Deliveries about Mid December.

• Looks nice. Will burn for hours and hours with 200 kwh battery. Chevy volt is only 60 kwh and they r unable to handle it. Just imagine what will happen with 200 kwh battery pack. Fireworks.

  • This is nice FUD can't even get the name of the Bolt correct.

    Also if fire departments catch the fire quickly it isn't hard to control, it just takes a while to put out, depending on how far the runaway is, look at some of the Bolts that caught fire, some just had scorch marks, others were to the metal.

  • Not the same battery tech, you pinecone.

    • The tech has nothing to do with it burning for hours you assshat

    • I’m confused on this. So I thought the issue fire departments were having is if an ev catches fire they have a difficult time putting it out? I didn’t think it mattered what the battery tech was I thought it was just the fact it’s an ev?

• A Hummer EV weighs 9,100 pounds. It has a massive 200 kWh battery pack. One estimate I read theorized it would take over a week to charge its giant battery pack with a Level 1 charger. It's simply an enormous vehicle that is a grossly inefficient way to travel and it is by no means harmless to the plant.

  In the US, roughly 60 percent of our electrical energy supply comes from burning fossil fuels, 20 percent from burning coal, 20 percent from nuclear, and the remaining 20 percent is derived from renewables. The latter category includes wind (8 percent), solar (2 percent), hydro (7 percent), etc.

  General Motors apparently feels they can build and sell the most inefficient, wasteful vehicle on the market because the letters "EV" give them the license to do so. A Hummer EV is a 5 passenger SUV that weighs nearly twice as much as a Chevy Tahoe that seats eight and is itself a very large vehicle. It weighs 2.500 pounds more (equal to the entire weight of a Mazda Miata) than a Silverado 3500 HD that is usually used to do a lot of heavy work. The Hummer, though, is a "lifestyle vehicle" which will be used to ferry its owners to football games and concerts. It won't be hauling beams to build bridges.

  We all know, they won't be crab-walking through the woods somewhere either. The Hummer EV's owners would have way too much range anxiety for that. No, the truth is this beast will be used just like the old Hummer. It'll go to the nail salon piloted by little women and terrorize every other motorist on its way there. And, given it's weight and the world's continued reliance on dirty energy, it'll be consuming vast amounts of that dirty electricity every time it goes out.

  I cannot fathom how Mary Barra and gm and our current president can honestly tout this monstrosity as the answer to climate change. As a Democrat, Joe Biden truly should be ashamed of himself to be out publicly promoting it. I don't know if it'll be eligible for his EV subsidies but that would be even more outrageous if he asks ordinary American's to subsidize a wasteful toy for the affluent.

  I don't know but I would surmise that with 80 percent of America's energy coming from coal and fossil fuels and the Hummer consuming so much of it per mile that folks would be more friendly to mother earth just driving a Sonic or maybe even a Malibu. I know the defenders will claim a Hummer EV can do so much more than those cars but, at the end of the day, most every vehicle out there is simply used to go from point A to point B. That's it; that's all they actually do for most of their usage.

  The Hummer EV is a ploy for money. General Motors apparently can't make money on the Chevy Sonic but they hope to make lots of it off these $120,000.00 behemoths though the planet be damned. It all symbolism. The virtue signaling crowd out in Hollywood will eat up the EV Hummer and proudly proclaim themselves as environmentalists as they romp down Rodeo hoping to be noticed for their good deed. Like everything in that town though, it'll all be for show and gm will make the Washington crowd happy too. Nobody is supposed to notice the reality.

  • What happens when this thing rear ends a Chevy sonic when someone is posting a selfie?

    • Kirt,

      Most likely it’s an instant end to someone’s time on earth.

    • same as if any HD pickup rear ended them...

    • You sue the person until the are flying a sign on the side of the road.

  • A correction to my comment above: 60 percent of our energy is derived from fossil fuels which includes natural gas at 40 percent and coal at 20. The source for that is the U.S. Energy Information Administration which can be found at eia.gov.

  • Sounds like you won't fit well into the "new" democratic party. Too much common sense going on here.

• The Hummer is not going to take a week to charge.

  The reason for it is PR and high return on initial investment that will pay for the other models to come along.

  The Chevy truck will use items based on this truck and will do the 400 to 500 miles in the mot too distant future in a lower power but still powerful models.

  I am not a big Ev fan but at least if you want to hate get some legitimate reasons. As time and development continues you will run out of reasons,

  • C8.R,

    How long will it take to charge a Hummer EV with a Level 1 charger? General Motors doesn’t seem to have released that number. They typically state times with the somewhat rare Level 3 charger.

    You likely didn’t read the rest of what I wrote. I wasn’t hating on the Hummer or gm for how long it takes to charge their Hummer EV. I really don’t care about that. I care about how heavy it is and what an energy hog it is. That might be okay if we had plentiful solar energy but we don’t. Eighty percent of our supply comes from burning coal and fossil fuels making a 9,100 pound EV with a 200 kWh battery quite irresponsible.

    • Nobody is charging the Hummer with Level 1. No reason to, unless emergency.

      • A 200 kWh battery will charge with a Level 1 EVSE at 120 VAC at 12 A, which is 1.44 kW, for less than 140 hours, or just under six days. I see the guy who lets his Hummer battery completely discharge as the biggest fool.

        • You are assuming 100% charging efficiency in your computation. In an actual charging situation @ 120 VAC you also need to account for overcoming battery resistance (this takes the form of heat energy), charging cable resistance and powering the internal vehicle electrical system during the charging process. If you go to one of the many Tesla blogs these inefficiencies are explained and range from 10 - 25% depending on the state of charge of the battery (resistance goes up as the battery is charged) and the temperature of the battery. The "less than 140 hours" you mention in your comment is not possible in the real world.

        • Every GM plug-inable vehicle to date has had the choice of either 8 amperes or 12 amperes..... The vehicles will charge down to 99 volts... So assuming this is plugged into a distant unattached garage - with only 8 amperes remaining available, and the only extension cord is a 'saturday helper' #16 AWG 100 foot long cord, which will drop 1 volt per ampere roughly (in actuality it will be 6 volts at 8 ampere rate and about double that at a 12 ampere rate - around 12 volts - due to the increased resistance of the cord at high temperatures)....

          So let's assume this worst of all worlds - lousy garage power very distant from the source, and not much free electricity available, plus a chintzy extension cord beyond that, provides about 110 volts to the car... So that is about 880 watts at the car.... Now assume 80 watts is required for pumping losses, and 'upconverter inefficiencies'... There will be almost no battery resistance heating losses since this is much smaller than even a trickle charge.

          Assuming 190 kwh (actual capacity needing to be replenished) is 237.5 hours, so roughly 10 days.

          For weekend warriors, even this somewhat horrid scenario is doable, if the truck can be left for a certain period of time to replenish enough to get home..

          Even if this is the very unlikely situation at someone's home base, the truck can gain enough charge during the week for fun on the weekend.

          Much more likely by someone spending $80,000 to 120,000 for a very expensive premium vehicle, is that they will pay the one time expense to an electrician to provide a 19 kw charging facility such that the truck can go from absolutely dead to over 300 miles range in only 11 hours.

          Since GM is providing $1,000 credit for an electrician to install a '32 ampere capable' (at least 7.5 kw) '220' receptacle for the sure to be included 8/12/32 ampere charging cord, since this offer is made for the cheapest barebones Bolt EV, I think future purchasers have little to worry about.

        • Or maybe the buyer of a $112k hummer will spend the money to upgrade their power and your extraordinary scenario will be a nonissue.

  • I don’t see Ford developing 120k vehicles to pay for future electrics.

    • Does Ford have any future electrics to pay for?

• Thanks Raymond.

  If one were to drive their Hummer EV to grandma’s house for Thanksgiving, arrive with a depleted battery, and use their portable Level 1 charger in granny’s garage, they’d have to stay for six days before the Hummer is ready for the trip back. By comparison, I believe a Bolt would be ready to head back in just over a day (25-27 hours). The question is not whether someone would do this, although I do believe the scenario outlined above is realistic, but rather it’s an indicator of just how massive the Hummer and it’s giant battery are. It also illustrates how much energy the Hummer has to suck from the dirty energy grid just to make a routine trip. Six days is a long time.

  • ... Charging the Hummer on level 1 would net the same range increase as the Bolt. If you say in your scenario that Bolt would have the range needed to get home after that time then so would the Hummer.

    Just because the Hummer has a larger battery doesn't mean it would charge slower at level 1 speeds.

    • The Hummer battery will charge at the same rate as a Bolt’s with the same electrical input, however, it will have to charge longer to go the same distance because the Hummer is much heavier and requires more energy.

• Manual says level 1 charge takes 30 days for 100% charge. Pre-conditioning alone in my state electrical rates would cost $14.00. This thing sucks electrons!

  • ShockandAwe:

    I'm assuming this scenario mentioned is the absolute WORST case that could possibly happen - such as the Truck is being stored at Death Valley in July and the refrigeration system must constantly run to keep the battery cool, or, it is being recharged in February at a camp site in Fargo, North Dakota and much of the level 1 charging juice is going to keep the battery warm...

    In Moderate Temperatures (Tree-covered camping sites, etc), I don't see how it is possible under ANY scenario to require more than 10 days of charging even at a lowly 8 ampere rate. I detail the calculations in a comment about 10 up.

• It’s like everyone is making EV (Tesla, Ford, Rivian, Fisker) GM is like I am left behind. 1st lets make Bolt Ev without any proper research to find out that these batteries are catching fire. So what. Let’s make another EV which makes no sense. So what. It’s almost 10000 LBS. So what. It will need 200 KWH from the grid to just go 280ish mile. So what. It’s super expensive. So what. I mean what is wrong with you. Just because u r in hurry to sell your EV, come up with some better model or plan. Don’t try to beat other brands, make something better that others can use. Lucid is expensive, at least it can do close to 500 miles and looks good. Not sure about rivian truck but at least its only 135KWH battery and will go around 300 miles. Compare to 200 KWH and goes 280 miles. Then it will be hogging space and a half at charging station blocking the charger. And then let’s say you take it to electrify America to charge it. No body will take it to charge it when its 0%. Let’s say you have 15% left and you will charge it to 80%. That’s almost 150 KWH. 150 WH X $0.43 = $64.5. It’s like a gas truck with mileage of 6MPG.

  • It's a Halo/Super Truck. The equivalent to a super car in terms of concept. What part of that do you not understand? GM has other vehicles coming for the masses.

• Once again smoke and mirrors from Barra.
  It will be lucky to get 260/270 miles real world.