2022 Jeep Wagoneer Debuts As Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon Rival

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• Jeep will have a total winner with this and GM should rightfully be "aware" of it. Personally, I feel Jeep has hit it out of the park with both the exterior and interior styling. Job well done Jeep.

  Now, I do like the Yukon/Tahoe/XL/Sub/Escalade's. Don't take my high praise of this new Jeep to say that I don't like the GM triplets. I do. However, there is just something about the exterior style on the Chevy/GMC that I can't quite pin-point. But they have a kind of top heavy look almost like they bowed the center of the vehicles upwards and the proportions are not great. This is less noticeable on the longer versions (Suburban) as it is no the Tahoe. Just the other day I came upon one on the 405 freeway and it just looked strange. As for the interiors? I certainly haven't seen enough of them, but hopefully will be able to look them over along with the new Jeep soon at a car show.

  • We’ll see how it’ll fare against the new GM utilities in the long run. General Motors currently has a huge advantage right now in the full-size SUV segment with their redesigned SUVs. Ford’s Expedition is also another competitive full-size SUV product, but Ford hasn’t gone far enough to differentiate its interior space from the F-150 to justify its price point, and has the worst build quality and cargo space of the three full-size SUV brands (General Motors, Stellantis, and Ford). The cabins of both the standard Wagoneer and luxury Grand Wagoneer are beautiful, but I question them being that much nicer than would you’d find in a top trim Escalade or Suburban Premier/High Country.

    • Exactly, I remember here the current gen Expedition/Navigator was supposed to be death certificates to the GM trucks and I told people it's not true, I was proven right. Jeep with it's Range Rover like reliability that caused them to kill off the Commander a few years back isn't doing much, GM isn't going to give a market to even Ford or the Asians can't figure out.

      With that stated yes GM should keep an eye out for them and bury Jeep.

      • Guestt and Mr. Pink: You both have great points. But I"m not saying (and I have not read where anyone else is saying) that this will kill GM or even Ford large SUV's. In my comments, I've been using words like "aware" and "push" when talking about this. We all know that GM's large suv's are outstanding and it would take a miracle to unseat them. I really hope this new GW and lessor Wagoneer do very well and I hope it takes most sales from import brands. But I also have hopes that the interiors are so nice that it pushes GM to improve theirs. Like I've said before on here, GM take note!

        • Their points are their opinions. The new Navigator and Expedition sold/are selling extremely well and made a nice dent in the full sized SUV market and though GM has a huge share, it knows a thing or 2 about losing market share.

          This new entry will have a very broad range pricewise and will be the "New Kid On The Block" Its something different plus it draws on a iconic heritage of being a Jeep AND a Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer... it has instant and strong name recognition and awareness. The entire market is abuzz over this thing. Its going to sell a ton.

        • It must be local to regional view point because here in the Atlanta-Metro(Georgia) and throughout the southeast. You might see a few Expeditions/Navigators on the highways to interstates but the Tahoe and Suburban are still practically the "mainstays" in many driveways and parking lots...

          The new Jeep (Grand)Wagoneer will sell well and even do better than what Ford/Lincoln was trying to accomplish sort of when it came to their new(er) at the time.. "full size" people movers some years back but nonetheless the GM twins definitely got a legitimate challenge from FCA and they're basically saying right now...

          "Keep a eye your rear view mirror(camera)"... "You've been put on notice"!!

      • Come on. Grand Cherokee outsold both Blazer and Acadia combined.
        Compass outsold Chevy Trailblazer. The Wrangler is a success, Jeep moved 200,000 of them last year and GM has no answer.
        Tahoe is my favorite SUV, but GM must keep an eye open. Jeep is making awesome products.

        • The Blazer to Acadia are NOT the Grand Cherokee main or exact competition(The Cherokee is) and Trailblazer is still roughly/practically new to the market place and the Wrangler has nothing to compete with until the actual, non-unibody Ford Bronco finally becomes available..

          So as always we possibly have them over exaggerated/inaccurate facts from a fanatical "fanboys/girls". To one or a few of those to strategically placed, social influencers who are paid by the company to sway people views and perceptions on these public forums..

  • The problem with the T1xx design is that the hood is much too tall so the ground-to-hood and hood-to-roof ratio is way out of proportion. Also GM raised the beltline again (too high) reducing the greenhouse and outward visibility unnecessarily. IMHO.

    • 2002tii: You are so spot on. I've made this comment earlier on here and wasn't able to fully put my finger on what it is/was. But you and others have described exactly what I see.

      Just today now I was behind a brand new Escalade with a co-worker in the car. I asked him what his thoughts were and he also noticed it. The Slade has this larger bottom section and the belt-line is so high. Then the greenhouse above the belt-line tapers in and seems ill proportioned to me. Then later I was heading back and had another brand new Slade driving towards me. This time I was looking from the front view and again it has this huge lower section up to the front edge of the hood. Too small headlights and then this skinny upper section. So from front and rear, this is noticeable in a huge way.

      I'd say it's like a very skinny woman with a tiny waist and then enormous hips and legs. Just not well executed. I like them less every time I see them on the road.

      • Well said, I agree!

• Glad to see the Wagoneer return back to the automotive market. It should be an interesting option in the full-size SUV segment compared to the new Suburban, Tahoe, and Expedition.

• I'm guessing that rear glass, bumper and chrome window frames are coming from donor cars that lie down at some junkyard.

  • Haha the rear glass looks like a volvo wagon from 86.

• I like it more than I'd like to admit. Jeep went right on the design department, it will sell like hot cakes.
  It makes the Tahoe's front end (except Z71) look too short and tall, a T2-vehicles problem. The bumper and lower black cladding don't help.
  But Z71 is still my choice. I'm waiting the 2022my.

  • I don't see these selling like hot cakes, but they will sell to Jeep loyalists. The exterior styling for one was a major miss. Looks like a Honda Pilot.

    • You're nuts, they will sell a ton, especially the Grand Wagoneer to Denali customers. This vehicle is very well proportioned, it's attractive inside and out. And people will buy this just to be different from every other Yukon Denali driver in their neighborhood and at their kids schools.

      • I'm nuts because I don't agree with you. If you say so boss. They will sell some sure, but hot cakes? Yeah, no. It looks generic on the outside and has some carryover gas guzzler engines and tops out at 112k? Get real

        • It is a very good vehicle in a popular segment that GM practically had to themselves. Why would it not sell well?

        • You're nuts.

      • It’s Ram headlights with a Jeep grill. Almost looks Navigator like. I don’t find it enticing. Especially for the pricing. Not sure why you think it will be such a huge success.

        And with those 22in wheels, it’s not going off-road. Not at all a traditional jeep.

        • This isn't aimed at people going off-road. It's a premium SUV for people that drive on streets.
          That's a huge market.

        • Original Wagoneers werent meant for off road. and these do not share any parts of RAM

        • Lol, it’s built on the same chassis with the same engines and transmissions as the Ram. And the headlights appear to be the exact same units as the Ram. You will find other shared parts with the Ram as well.

          Nope, doesn’t share a thing with the Ram. 🙄

          Oh, and don’t forget it’s a foreign owned company that builds this. They have to put an American flag on it to try to convince people this is American.

        • The major impact is that Jeep intends to build the devil out of these while Chevrolet has shut down orders. Tell a ready able buyer tough luck maybe next year and they will spend their funds with your competitors! GM is about to make the same old mistake in a segment they could have dominated they will have to scramble to try to retain customers!

    • There is definitely a hint of Honda Pilot in it's look. I thought the exact thing when the first photos came out. Think its the 2010-2015 era. Something about how the slab sides and windows/rear half all come together.
      Hard to explain it, but I totally got this vibe too.

  • Sigurd: Agreed totally. In my comment above, I tried to explain how the Tahoe (and twins) look to me. Your way of describing them (too short and tall) hits it totally. This Jeep will do quite well.

    • The real questions here are, once the Ram 1500 Classic goes out of production, will they also make the new Ram 1500 alongside the Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer or will the Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer take over Warren exclusively? And also, once the new Jeep Grand Cherokee, new Jeep Wagoneer, and Jeep Grand Wagoneer hit full production, will the Dodge Durango disappear? Will there be another Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT/Trackhawk now that the Jeep Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer over shadow the Grand Cherokee? Will the Ram 1500 get this new 6.4 light truck engine? Questions, questions.

      • With Ram becoming its own brand and the minivans becoming all Chrysler's, it seems that the Dodge nameplate is becoming solely retro-inspired muscle cars. So the Durango is probably a dead man walking.

        • Not quite, the Durango may continue or a new smaller rwd utility will pick up where the Journey/Durango stops.

        • Downvoted from what FCA insiders said?.

    • The best SUV i've ever had was a 2008 Chevy Tahoe. I looked to trade it for a K2 one but didn't like it. The new one's hood (and front fascia overall) is too tall and the chrome bars are terrible. I don't like the proportions too but they are fantastic vehicles. The Z71-improved front end (bumper, approach angle end and black treatment) is really nice.

• Watch out GMC. There go your Denali customers to Grand Wagoneer.

  • Nah, import brands have something really to worry about here. Jeep has already eaten into import territory with their top tier offerings, and the new Grand Wagoneer will cut in more.

• If gm loses this market, they’ll be sunk. The Tahoe, Yukon, and Escalade are the cash cows for the company along with the Silverado/Sierra. I’d love to know how much of gm’s total annual profit comes from those five nameplates but I suspect it’s well north of 50 percent. The Ram has already cut into the trucks’ market share and Stellantis may have another winner here that’ll further erode the company’s profitability.

  The irony is that they need the gas hog vehicles to pay for the coming EVs which may not make money at all, at least for a while.

  • Ci2Eye: As usual, I tend to agree with almost everything you post. I would agree here too. But I don't think GM will be sunk. Personally, I think GM (when they really need to) can and would pivot on a dime and make needed changes to their "cash cows". Plus, you just have too many extreme loyal customers who would never think of buying a Jeep instead of their GM. What I'd hope is that this GW will push GM to put in better interiors. And I still think GM may need to make some minor changes to the outside of the Tahoe/Yukon's to make them look better proportioned.

    • Brand loyalty is a bit over-rated. Not saying it doesn't exist, but I think it's a small percentage in today's market of fidgety consumers who live by trends set in social media. The other side of this coin is conquest sales which is more telling. I think the story for this new Jeep will be told in those conquest numbers.

      I agree with your above comment on GM triplets design -something being off? Could it be with the belt line, too high? Also the Chevy/Caddy- both have relatively small headlights which to me throw things off.

      • GM is too arrogant and frankly stupid... they forget the marketshare they used to enjoy. Competition is good for the buyer and companies that want to grow give customers more value or perceived value for their $. Hyundai is a good example they nearly withdrew from the US Mkt 20 yrs ago and are now pushing $1M vehicles in the US and are much more global than GM.

        Remember this is the company that is so shortsighted it changes names constantly, it builds a product and after 5 years getting it almost perfect the abandon it. GM does full sized SUV's VERY right but I don't think they'll take this seriously but they should. It seems like an excellent vehicle right out of the gate with immediate if not cult like name recognition. I'd buy one just to get that killer McIntosh Sound System...

        • I agree with you. Dodge / Ram gained 10% of market share in the truck war in the last 10 years, Chevy lost 4%. And if you say it here, you'll be spanked because "GM outsold Ford last year".
          GM did a great job with the current gen Cruze & Malibu but will axe them.
          Colorado and Canyon were a success, but they are long in the teeth and with 6 months in the market the Ranger outsold both of them.

  • The loss in market share will come at the expense of the Expedition...

• That interior is beautiful. Jeep did a great job. The Tahoe’s interior looks 2 generations older than the Jeeps. The Tahoe’s interior looks and feels cheap.

  • I’d heavily disagree with the interior and exterior designs needing refreshments. General Motors nailed their new mainstream full-size SUV interiors without trying to sterilize or over refine the driving experience. My biggest problem with most critics and auto fans is that they’re trying to encourage manufacturers to sterilize or over refine the interior experience simply based on price point when they’re not designed to deliver a luxury experience. If you’re thinking two generations old, that’s the current Silverado you’re thinking about. The new Tahoe’s interior is on another level compared to its pickup sibling.

  • Jeep, or FCA North America, might have drawn in European FCA colleagues who had worked for Maserati, Alfa Romeo and the old Lancia.

• I also think Jeep will do well with these, but I think they could have had a home run, if they had done a retro-modern style like Ford did with the Bronco. The old Wagoneers' had an unmistakable profile and look. Unlike anything on the road. These new ones look like a bloated Durango on the outside, though the interiors look great.
  Huge miss is not having a woody version, though I would be shocked if they are not working on that.
  With Jeep being the most valuable brand in their stable, I am stumped as to why they would be leaving it off the vehicle.

• Old Grand Wagoneers are very popular and pricey. I suspect these new ones will sell just fine.

• It's OK, nothing special. I was expecting more.