General Motors has been outflanked by both Ram and Ford when it comes to diesel engines in half-ton pickup trucks. Ram was first with its EcoDiesel engine, and Ford will launch its own F-150 diesel for the 2018 model year, in the spring of 2018. Things will likely change for GM’s next-generation trucks, though.
The 2019 GMC Sierra has been spied with the necessary equipment to house a diesel engine, and it follows spy shots of the 2019 Chevrolet Silverado also sporting diesel-engine equipment. The spy shots specifically show equipment that looks like a tank for diesel exhaust after treatment and a particulate filter.
The bigger question is what engine will be fitted under the hood. We all recall the stillborn 4.5-liter Duramax V8 engine, but it’s unlikely it will rise from the ashes anytime soon. GM also has the 2.8-liter four-cylinder turbodiesel engine, but it may not be the right fit for GM’s full-size pickups. The 2.8-liter Duramax diesel engine can be had with the Chevrolet Colorado or GMC Canyon.
Instead, it’s very possible GM has a new diesel engine in the works to rival the 3.0L V6 turbo-diesels from Ford and Ram, but that’s purely speculation on our part. However, it makes the most sense if Chevrolet and GMC are serious about half-ton diesel pickups.
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Hey GM how about building the worlds most powerful half ton diesel. Put in the Duramax L5P Engine 445 hp 910 pound feet of torque.
For what purpose? You wouldn't have the potential diesel efficiency and the 1/2 ton truck doesn't weigh enough to have the stability to handle huge tow loads. the would need to make a truck like the Titan XD that slots between the 1/2 and 3/4 trucks
For the purpose of traveling 1320 feet. Quicker than brand F and R.
They can do that with a better diesel choice and be more efficient And liveable
What better choice than an Engine that is already in production.
One that offers lower NVH, better MPG, suitable power and torque, and priced accordingly to make sale. That 6.6 duramax is an absolute terrible choice of engine for the 1/2 ton market.
Anyone who has use for the engine, you know, to actually make proper use of the torque and not just dumb mile times, can do so by buying a 2500 starting at $40k.
Im not so sure the XD slots between the 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons. It's ratings match the 1/2 tons, only the gas mileage matches the 3/4 tons.
Well is weighs 6700lbs. It can tow more than the F150 EcoBoost, Silverado 1500 6.2, and Ram 1500 5.7
It tows less than all their HD counter parts.
But at 2000lbs heavier than the F150 its going to be able to handle those big tow loads a lot better.
It's MPG is in between that of the 1/2 and 3/4 tons. It's engine displacement is inbetween that of the 1.2 ton diesels and 3/4 ton.
It's an in-betweener.
It will use the 2.8 liter Duramax but the really interesting engine will be the new 2.7 liter L4 gas engine.
And these are things you know?
Yes!
No you dont...
I am ok with the 2.8 as long as it's a step up in power rating from the Colorado. I too am interested in the 2.7 gas Engine. First I have heard of it.
It's need something bigger than the 2.8. Isn't dodge having issues with their 3.0 being overworked (but still within manufacturer tow/haul rating) and blowing? Between 3-4L is a good size especially if the truck is going to loose a few hundred pounds.
In the case of Dodge they need to reduce the capabilities for the little engine. It's good as a daily driver just like the small ecoboost 2.7 but if you actually try to work it as the manufacturer rates it you'll have issues and wish you opted for the V8
4.5L to 5.0l V8 Duramax would be my dream.
300hp/ 650 lb-ft
Wow, still looks like a waxed frame instead of e-coated (some cross members have that thick waxy appearance). Completely unacceptable especially since the Colorado/Canyons are e-coated.
Why? It works...
It works for like 3 years then peels off. Especially anywhere that has snow
We have brand new 2017's on our lot with rust showing through the wax around welds. My 2013 had to be recoated with a special bulletin fix with only 17,000 kms last summer (12,000 miles) and it actually sits in a garage every day and only gets about 5,000 kms a year on it. It has been a peeling problem for years, bad enough that GM has a special bulletin out for them. Too bad they just replace it with a similar product.
We have complaints about it every week from customers, some with even brand new trucks who notice it after their first wash.
I hope that GM will have a diesel option for the Suburban models also.
Just check the coming NAIAS for a diesel in a Suburban. You will find a new engine from Achates Power under the hood in a driveable truck.
"ACHATES: OPPOSED-PISTON ENGINE MAKERS TOOLING UP
That research program has yielded a 2-stroke 3-cyl. (6-piston) engine that Achates will install in two demonstration vehicles later this year. Images of the two test vehicles on a Powerpoint presentation suggest one vehicle is a Ford F-150 and the other a Chevrolet Suburban."
from Wards
http://wardsauto.com/engines/achates-opposed-piston-engine-makers-tooling
That oil filter tells me it's definitely not the 2.8 Duramax. I have a 2016 Canyon Duramax and the oil filter is a cartridge on top of the engine.
Yes, Sir. The engine in the picture isn't the 2.8 Duramax.
The 2.8L will be great, hopefully available in lower trims, too. Forget HP, you really only feel torque anyway, and the diesel will have that, along with MPG.
If it's a new diesel engine, I just hope that it's not as expensive as the current Duramax diesel/Allison automatic combo. If it comes in at a more reasonable cost, it could be a big hit for the entire GM line of trucks/SUVs.
Rumors have it that there might be a Navistar 3.0 V6, or they can beef up the turbos on the 2.8L. But I want something better if I wanted a 4 cylinder diesel I would get a Colorado/Canyon not for a full size truck. I mean they can upgrade the 2.8L by all means do so just leave it for the mid-size market. The 3.0 Navistar I heard from some other sources, that's something not likely from GM but I'm not going to say it wouldn't happen.
But for me you got the Nissan Titan with the only available V8 diesel on the full size ( I don't care what they call it a "tweener" it still a half ton market). I still see room for a full size V8 diesel, but if Ford and Ram going the V6 route they could be going that way. I just still believe a smaller yet powerful V8 diesel has plenty of room in the line up. Just my opinion.
God help us if it's a Navistar engine. They have been teetering on bankruptcy based on warranty costs of thier Maxxforce engine disaster...cost the CEO his job. Volkwagen just bought into Navistar in a big way...not sure enough of the PR stink has gone away for them for GM to want to be associated on the diesel front. Hope it's the 4.5.
Well it should be a success if everyone that said build it buys one. But as like so many more that seldom happens. But the have moved a lot of Colorado Diesels so there is hope.
Second this is not a 1329 engine. It is a power train that supplies fork for work and mpg increase for fuel savings.
As for the frame look for the ecoat as GM has moved to this on the midsize trucks already.
As for the older truck it may not have been pretty but you seldom see a frame rotted out. You do see body mount failures after 20 years but seldom if ever a frame issue. This is not Toyota.
My beef with the wax is the mess it makes if you work on one when new as it is a mess to be around.
I just hope the new truck hit a cord with the public, get more mpg and help hold the line on price.
The present truck is good but the details have fallen behind. GM needs to generate excitement with some new features and new ideas to drive the gotta have it people to the dealers.