2023 Cadillac Lyriq AWD Weighs More Than An Escalade

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• Don't think anyone buying this will care as long it drives and handles well like a Cadillac should. Some people like the heft of big vehicles.

• It gives pause to the changing landscape of US roadways. Now automakers are on the cusp on introducing more vehicles with weight density that off the scales, pun intended. Take the Lyric: with the numbers above, we're looking at a vehicle that's within 98% of XT6 dimensions, but is HEAVIER than the BOF Escalade? Geez, makes me want to get one of these so I'm on the surviving side of physics in an accident.

  • Till you get hit by a Tesla….

    • Or a Hummer EV. It would be like getting hit by a semi tractor.

• Goodbye roads, hello taxes.

• Don't get hit by one of these beasts. Registration weight class will be like a truck. Crazy. Read article today how states are charging evs higher fees to make up for loss of gas tax dollars.

• The AWD variant will accelerate to 60 within a half second of Escalade-V and gets 96 MPGe.

  • Other than MPGe is a lie. It starts the counter after the battery is fully charged to intentionally inflate the numbers of these very ungreen vehicles. Considering most fast chargers are coming back 80-85% efficient, for this example, let’s go with a generous 90% 😉, that drops to 86. Power transmission losses another 10% on the conservative side, down to 78, and 80% of our grid is fossil fuel, at a conservative 60% efficiency, leaves you at 46 mpg…. Or the same as a normal sedan…. In reality all those numbers are worse, so more likely low-mid 30’s for a sedan

    • Hmm. So much wrong with this.

      First MPGe actually does include charging losses.
      Second the majority of our electricity does not come from fossil fuels.
      Also you cannot scale MPG linearly based on down stream efficiency.

      Of note the MPG of a combustion vehicle don't include drilling, upgrading, refining or transportation.

      Wheel to well studies show that EV's are multiple times more efficient than combustion vehicles when you take the whole supply chain into consideration.

      • EV’s can’t last 20 years.
        So more pollution spewed making another throw away EV.
        In addition combustion engines are able to be powered by biofuels. Which is cleaner than renewables.

        • Not to mention the crappy resale values these EVs will have in about 10 years.

        • Not exactly the entire market, but 10 year old Tesla Model S cars are mostly listed for more than 10 year old MB S-class cars. Probably cost less at purchase too.

        • Funny, the some EV "Horseless Carriages" of the early 1900s were restored with no more than a pack of today's starter batteries and they operated. Even Jay Leno has one from that time period and the lady who had it drove it until her old age into the 1960s. I think EVs have a place in the landscape but I wouldn't totally replace ICE.

        • Thank you for proving EVans point…. It’s just a modern EV has a 20-30K batttery, not a 1k juice kit……… megawatt difference 😉

        • What point?, Is it not an EV from 1900 still able to run after 100 years in some cases off the road with a pack swap?. Who knows what batteries able to run a Lyriq 100 years from now with just a pack swap. Can't do that with a Model T

        • You can make an ICE run just as long. So what is your point. I'd argue it is going to be way more difficult to replace that structurally integrated battery pack than drop a new crate engine in.

        • Installing some batteries and flipping a switch is alot simple than installing some coughing, gagging, loud, greasy, puking gas engine.

        • Until you realize that the old battery is bolted to the chassis in a funny manner, so you have to pull of the old one, frabricate a new frame for the new batteries, create a custom wiring harness to fit the new doohickey…….

          Nah, it’s way harder to just add gas and go.

          And yes I’m talking about mint condition vehicles. Most barn finds, eletric or gas will need parts, weather it’s brushes and bearings or carberators and distributors.

        • So you're planning on not buying an EV, great!. As said still a backfiring, belching gas engine isn't more reliable than a electric setup. Im sure you seen "Will it Run/Start?" on YT, it's far from "add gas and go" for barn cars, let's not forget the cooling system, seals, hose, lubrication and sometimes emission controls on old ICE vehicles that have to operate to get it moving.

      • Wrong. MPGe is calculated as the number of miles a fully charged EV can go divided by the KWH’s, divided by the number of KWH in a gallon of gas. It doesn’t include all the inefficiency on the other side of the plug.

        Also wrong, our current grid is 2% “renewables”, 3% hydro, 15% nuke and the rest coal and gas. I’m including the cost of distribution as coal and gas needs distribution to the power plants, so that’s where I am starting the counter…. Light years ahead of ya.

        Wheel to wheel studies of ethanol also show that its dirtier than gas, so antything can be warped and twisted if you have an agenda.

      • Wrong, in 2021, 61% of US power was generated from fossil fuels.

        • Isn't natural gas a fossil fuel?

        • Ahhhh yes….. that stat…… just like how in 2021 Tesla us it’s first year in the black, and ignoring the last 6 in the red and saying “EV’s” are profitable!!!!! 🤯

          Sooooo much wrong with that stat. Much of our grid goes to industrial processes. In the rust belt 80% of our grid is for industry. (Certain states like Iowa/Colorado proudly point out that their grid is 3/4 powered by wind….but their agricultural states and their economies are really ram by diesel.) in 2021, many industries were shuddered, or ran maybe 1 shift for half the year. Of course grid demand is going to be down and coal and gas plants to be slowed down to a minimum.

          So how about 2019? 2022? 2018 is where the grid showed 2% renewables, 2019 the same study wasn’t ran. And you can bet your bottom dollar as we don’t open more nuke, IF EV’s become any bit more popular, they will be powered by coal and gas.

          2021-the year production was idled.

• It is about the same weight as a Porsche Cayenne.

  We have a number of heavy vehicles out there that people don’t realize how. Heavy they are.

  I thought my Fiero was heavy at 2600 pound when it was new. Now just look at how heavy things are today.

• With that weight, I expect the hydraulic brakes on the Lyriq to be the best for Cadillac class vehicles. The battery weight is always a factor in electric and hybrids . That is why the battery must be centered in the vehicle floor for stability . Some hybrids have the battery below or behind the rear seats which helps to balance against the gas engine up front

• And auto fatalities are up over 10%. These heavy cars are only going to make it worse.
  Fat cars for fat Americans. So fitting.

• Audi Q8 Etron (Quattro of course) weighs 5,644 lb.
  Lot less than the Lyriq.
  Adding what Andrew commented, roads will wear more rapidly, taxes going up and what about the tires? More weight, more wear. Replacing them more frequent and more rubber to the trash.
  At this pace, we need to figure out how to create a landfill on the moon.

  • Yup, more spent on brakes and tires and suspension components to handle the extra weight.

  • The last E-tron C&D weighed was 5843 lbs, so at least the Lyriq is in the neighborhood. That said, the E-tron is not on an EV specific platform, so it is disappointing GM couldn't cut the weight - I hope the Lyriq isn't representative of the coming Blazer and Equinox EV's in that regard.

  • The Audi e-tron (SUV) is shorter (both in wheelbase and length) and narrower than the Lyriq, but weighs in at 5765 lbs according to Audi's website. So, the Lyriq at 5610 is longer and wider but weighs 155 lbs less. Maybe there's something to this Ultium platform after all.

    • I don't believe there is a RWD E-Tron though, so you have to go by the 5900 lbs AWD Lyriq weight. That said, yes the Lyriq is bigger but I would have expected GM to make more of a difference on weight with Ultium being an EV specific platform versus Audi's MLB, plus GM really put a dent in weight gain with recent ICe platforms.

      • Etron has a smaller battery. And really that is the point. Batteries are the main weight factor.

        • 95 kwh vs 100kwh - it's hardly smaller. Also with 4 years more advancements, the weight of the Lyriq's pack might be lighter than the E-tron. It's also a couple hundred pounds heavier than the BMW iX (which has an even larger 105 kwh battery). I guess I was just hoping GM would be able to real progress in controlling vehicle weight and maybe even rival Tesla (but with real interiors).

      • Valid points. The Lyriq's larger size would seem to match the two vehicles' weight numbers. If Ultium is not a weight saver then it remains to be seen if its dedicated platform provides other benefits - performance, longevity, ease of service, etc. No way to know yet.

        • Ultium is a brand name they came up with. If you look into it, there isn't some magical new thing going on there.
          I'm not putting it down or anything, but it's no different than Ecotec or Hydramatic.

• Yeah, all of those batteries and electric motors are heavy. Just waiting for them to begin increasing highway fatalities due to collisions with lighter vehicles.