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Is the Cruze Eco not really that good?

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    • #38291
      Vic1212
      Participant

      I saw the comparison, the Cruze has about the second highest FE than the comparison but really being second???? http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1208_40_mpg_compact_sedan_comparison/elantra_3_jetta_specifications.html

    • #40143
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      So a car that was first brought to market in 2008 gets second place in a shootout, second only to a car that debuted last year… and the reason for its 2nd place finish was that the Eco’s auto wasn’t as good as the manual (BS reason in my book). And then there’s the Cruze’s technologically archaic 1.4T engine…

      Anyway, my point is that 2nd place in a shootout among newer cars does not make it seem at all that the Cruze is a bad car. In fact, it makes it a solid choice and makes me wonder what’s possible with a better engine, one that’s direct injected, for instance.

    • #40144
      Vic1212
      Participant

      I would of put the Cruze in first. At first when I saw this article I literraly thought the Cruze was going to be dead last. Because at CR that’s how the Cruze Eco is comparing to the Focus and the Civic HF. CR drove the Cruze and avg about 27 and Focus north of 30 and Civic north of 35 mpg. But this is what I’m always wondering though, how come the auto version of the Eco is about the same FE as the non Eco???

    • #40176
      RjION
      Participant

      I dunno ………… I think the CRUZE is great for most people. If I could get 190hp CRUZE it would be great for me.

      http://autos.yahoo.com/news/underrated-cars-of-2012.html

      Chevrolet Cruze

      The Chevrolet Cruze was named “Best Compact Car for the Money” by U.S. News and World Report. It also won the “2012 Top Safety Pick” award from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and a 5-Star Overall Vehicle Score from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

      “Chevrolet doesn’t have a long history of producing excellent small cars, but the Chevrolet Cruze is among the top scoring cars in the compact sedan category,” Brauer said. “In fact, it’s better rated than longstanding stalwarts like the Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla and Volkswagen Jetta.”

    • #40186
      RjION
      Participant

      What ………….. I don’t get an argument from anyone?

    • #40187
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      You want one? What you said is fairly factual and non-debatable. :)>-

    • #40188
      RjION
      Participant

      Damn, I come to expect an argument from everything I say.

      Had I said “Chevrolet or GM doesn’t have a long history of producing excellent small cars. The war would have been on….

    • #40189
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      That would have been a fact as well by me.

      But at that point, do you count Opels? Because they’ve been making some of the best small cars in the world.

    • #40192
      RjION
      Participant

      Opel has not really been making very good or evan good small cars till the Delta time frame. GM had to do something as everything was slipping away. Now they are on track in North America. Missing the boat on hp to weight in most cases but the cars are so much better.

      202hp for the ATS, what does it tip the scale at? Could be a decent non turbo car. Why no shifter for the 2.5L?

    • #40195
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      “Opel has not really been making very good or evan good small cars till the Delta time frame.” Now you’ve got yourself an argument!

      Starting with the Astra G in the late 90s, Opel has been making class-leading compacts. The Delta was purely a European effort back then, so GM didn’t “do” anything to stop anything from “slipping away”. I had the pleasure of experiencing the 2000 Astra and it left a very favorable impression on my self and the owner. Them’s the facts.

      All we know about the ATS’ weight is that it will be under 3,400 lbs… and we also know that you want a more powerful Cruze. No need to drag the ATS into this.

    • #40196
      RjION
      Participant

      The ATS looks good ……….. could be a keeper even as base rig.
      The Delta brought GM from the grave when it comes to small cars. Opel in Europe is still in trouble of going down the tubes. GM still owns Opel has since the roaring 20’s. GM damn near slipped away worldwide. Thems the facts.

    • #40198
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      “The Delta brought GM from the grave when it comes to small cars.”

      Absolutely. But that’s not to say that Opel didn’t make good compacts before the Delta, as I just explained in reference to the Astra G.

      Ironically, Delta was engineered by Opel. In Europe. They weren’t just the project lead on it, they literally did all the work.

      Opel’s financials are an entirely different subject and are way beyond the scope of this thread. Why are you bringing them up?

    • #40199
      RjION
      Participant

      What Opel did or didn’t get paid for is another subject. Yet GM as a whole was going down the tubes and the Astra G did nothing to slow that down. In my book Opel just as the rest of GM made lets get by small cars.

    • #40202
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      Who is talking about getting paid for anything?

      I’m simply stating that it was Opel that developed the Delta through and through. So whether they made good small cars or not before that, they’re still the ones that engineered one of the best compact platforms in the world.

    • #40207
      Vic1212
      Participant

      Except for Cobalt (Save it for Cobalt SS)

    • #40211
      RjION
      Participant

      Yes the delta is from Opel a division of General Motors … I think most of the people on this forum know that.

    • #40215
      Vic1212
      Participant

      The same with Epsilon

    • #40221
      RjION
      Participant

      Wow the education you guys provide. Did all of this just come to light in the last few days?

    • #40222
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      @RJION And the sarcasm you provide is beyond stellar.

      The entire discussion surrounding Opel started with this statement from you, which is not accurate:

      “Opel has not really been making very good or evan good small cars till the Delta time frame.”

      As I already mentioned, the Astra G was a class-leading Opel compact before the Delta time frame. So have you ever drive an Astra G… or are you just spewing smoke out of your derriere?

    • #40229
      RjION
      Participant

      I stand by by statement that Opels were not steller until the Delta platform, as I already mentioned…..sarcasm aside?

    • #40230
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      Yet there is a slight, if not prodigious, difference between not making “stellar” cars and making cars that are “not good”.

      Notice the difference:

      Your initial statement: “Opel has not really been making very good or evan good small cars till the Delta time frame.”

      And your most recent one: “Opels were not steller'”…

      Seeing by your lack of direct reply that you’ve never laid hand on a pre-Delta Opel, I’m just going to stop here, as none of this even remotely relates to the original topic.

    • #40240
      Vic1212
      Participant

      Oh this is making me go headache……

    • #40251
      RjION
      Participant

      Opel has not really been making very good or evan good small cars till the Delta time frame. Yep thats it and thats the truth of the matter.

    • #40252
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      Do you have personal experience with Opels before Delta?

    • #40254
      RjION
      Participant

      Yes ………………….. many. When I go back home they are on many street corners, and many family members still drive pre delta small GM cars. While most have switched to Deltas or new Fords. Cheap transport is all Opel had to offer.

      PS: It’s not beacause GM could not offer outstanding small cars, it’s because they could not make money doing so.

      And the beat goes on and the beat goes on and on and on

      http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/06/22/30-engine-fires-spur-chevy-to-recall-475000-cruze-compacts/

    • #40255
      RjION
      Participant

      Seeing you brought all of this up Alex I’ll let you be the one to end it.

      Remember thats all I said (“What ………….. I don’t get an argument from anyone? “) and that set you off.

    • #40262
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      No, what “set me off” was your inaccurate opinion that Opel didn’t make good small cars before the Delta architecture.

      Furthermore, it’s not a matter of “ending it” — it’s a matter of keeping one’s arguments valid and accurate. I happen to have some close experiences with Opels before Delta or GM’s globalization strategy took place — and therefore can say that you are way off your rocker in discussing Opel vehicles before the Delta architecture. That’s all we’ve been helplessly discussing.

      Separately, what are you insinuating with the Cruze recall?

      PS: there is much more definite and overall more informative aspects about the recall right here:
      http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/06/second-chevy-cruze-recall-is-smaller-involves-rear-end-welds/

      and

      http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/06/gm-recalls-413418-chevrolet-cruze-sedans/

    • #40264
      RjION
      Participant

      Thought you were going to end it …………. ? Oh and can you do anything to speed up the site? It’s the slowest loading site I use. Slowest bar far……..

    • #40271
      Vic1212
      Participant

      alright this is getting ridiculous.

    • #40276
      RjION
      Participant

      Vic1212 June 25 Permalink alright this is getting ridiculous.

      What how slow the site is?

    • #40277
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      @RJION Don’t you worry, we’re working on that… among many other things.

      PS: our forum (not the blog, but the actual forum where you are now) is the fastest in the industry.

    • #40278
      RjION
      Participant

      I’m not worried, I figured you have had others let you know whats up.

    • #40279
      wbodyfan
      Participant

      Whats sad is @RJION has to bi^%c and moan about everything. Nothing is good everything is bad. Did someone hurt you, bud?

    • #40281
      Vic1212
      Participant

      exactly!!^^

    • #40287
      RjION
      Participant

      Whats sad is …. what ever GM comes out with you guys praise it. I point up what I like and don’t like. Seems the only time anyone replies to anything I have to say is when it’s about what I don’t like. I don’t see you guys agree over and over with the the things I do like. As far as the site……….it’s slow to load whats to argue about?

      I dunno ………… I think the CRUZE is great for most people. If I could get 190hp CRUZE it would be great for me.

      http://autos.yahoo.com/news/underrated-cars-of-2012.html

      Chevrolet Cruze

      The Chevrolet Cruze was named “Best Compact Car for the Money” by U.S. News and World Report. It also won the “2012 Top Safety Pick” award from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and a 5-Star Overall Vehicle Score from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

      “Chevrolet doesn’t have a long history of producing excellent small cars, but the Chevrolet Cruze is among the top scoring cars in the compact sedan category,” Brauer said. “In fact, it’s better rated than longstanding stalwarts like the Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla and Volkswagen Jetta.”

    • #40288
      Vic1212
      Participant

      That’s based on Yahoo. But if based on Enthusiasts it’s a mixed bag of review

    • #40293
      RjION
      Participant

      Wooooooooosch

    • #40302
      Vic1212
      Participant

      but then really what makes the Focus better than the Cruze?? Looking at the sales of both the Cruze and the Focus both sales are down but Focus is selling at 20k cars and Cruze only sold 18k?

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