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7 Speed Manual for the ATS?

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    • #38358
      BY2002
      Participant

      Not sure if anyone has brought this subject up, but I wonder if the 7 speed manual found in the new ‘vette would fit the ATS. It certainly would be interesting paired with the Turbo 4 or maybe on the ATS-V?

    • #40983
      Vic1212
      Participant

      It would be interesting but not sure if it would fit

    • #40984
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      Good question, @BY2002. I think the move to a 7-speed manual is a natural progression, especially for the ATS. It would most definitely improve the driving acceleration and fuel economy, therefore resulting in a better overall ownership/driving experience… so the benefit of moving to a 7-speed is most definitely real.

      Now, I don’t have any inside info as of this writing, but I think we should expect some changes for the ATS for the 2014 model year; perhaps a 7-speed stick will be among those changes.

      I’m basing this on the fact that (as you guys already know) Corvette C7 production commences in the third quarter of 2013; as such, the TREMEC TR6070 for the Vette will go into production around that timeframe. And it just so happens that GM makes model year refreshes during the summer/fall timeframe… so the timing seems to line up for the ATS to get the 7-speed when the C7 is launched.

      Personally, I’d love to drive the 2.0T with a seven-speed… would love to!

    • #40986
      Vic1212
      Participant

      but would it fit??

    • #40987
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      I don’t know for sure one way or the other, but I don’t see a reason why it wouldn’t… it might not be the exact same transmission, I’m sure some adaptations could be made if there are fitting issues.

    • #40988
      Z15
      Participant

      I have to ask who would buy a non-hi-perf Cadillac with a manual trans much less a 7-sp.? Not many I would hazard a guess.

      I recall when I purchased a new ’05 CTS they had one (not V) with a 6-sp trans. That car sat for nearly 2 yrs on the dealers lot before they finally got rid of it.

      Years ago (2002) while at the Corvette Museum there was some Chevy big shots there for the F-Body celebration (end of production of the Camaro/Firebird). In a Q&A session with the Chevy and Pontiac program managers they mentioned that options that did not meet 5% of models production total were a loss for GM and would be cancelled.

    • #40989
      Lex
      Participant

      I’ve owned a 2005 CTS (non V) with 6 speed manual which I loved and didn’t have trouble selling it when time came.

    • #40990
      Vic1212
      Participant

      I remember i was looking at some G6 when those dealer have the 3.9 with 6 speed manual and they had trouble selling it

    • #40998
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      @Z15 Like @Lex, I would buy a CTS (or ATS) with a stick. Given that Caddy is now a performance brand ala BMW, this is more or less a prerequisite… especially in Europe. Granted, the take rate for manuals is significantly lower than for automatics/automated manuals (like DSGs), but it makes sense to offer it in a high-margin luxury vehicle like a Cadillac.

    • #41036
      Vic1212
      Participant

      or offer manny tranny on SRX??

    • #41050
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      @vic1212 well, the take-rate for manuals in crossovers is significantly lower than it is in sedans — where it is already low. I don’t know of any manufacturer that offers a stick in a luxury crossover… do you?

    • #41053
      Vic1212
      Participant

      does a porsche cayenne count?? I don’t know if you see this coming Alex

      http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/02/spied-2014-cadillac-cts-in-the-flesh

    • #41054
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      @vic1212 Updated your link 🙂

      The Cayenne counts, but given it makes up a tiny amount of overall crossover sales, and even a small amount of luxury crossover sales, it’s not that important. And even so, I wonder if anyone buys a Cayenne with a manual gearbox…

    • #41055
      Vic1212
      Participant

      I’ve saw a video where this guy kinda went over the cayenne manual (hopefully that link I just posted wasn’t something inappropriate is it?)

    • #41056
      Alex Luft
      Keymaster

      Nope, link was fine. Thank you!

      Personally, all I want is for GM to begin developing some dual-clutch automated-manual gearboxes. Having experienced a few recently, they overshadow the stick… but nothing beats the “fun nature” of a manual, so I’m hoping for GM to offer both in its performance vehicles: a stick (standard), and a dual-clutch auto (optional).

    • #41057
      Vic1212
      Participant

      Have you tested the dual clutch on the Focus before Alex?

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