Re: Who thinks it’s time to start talking about Pontiac again?

@Grawdaddy:

1. I should have said this is a Pontiac THREAD, not a Pontiac SITE. And what have you to say to THAT?
2. It was moronic of you to suggest that SAAB was somehow as “traditional” a brand as Pontiac. If either brand was an “afterthought” as far as GM was concerned, it would be SAAB. HOW LONG was SAAB associated with GM? HOW LONG was PONTIAC associated with GM? Get real. Was Pontiac EVER a foreign brand?
3. It was a real stretch on your part to attempt to link traditional GM brands with such things as bowel movements and smack-talking. You do seem to do a lot of the latter, and as for the former, well…
4. It was also a stretch on your part to link my position on SAAB with xenophobia. Yes, I’m an American, and yes, I prefer American cars. That wasn’t necessarily the point. The point was that SAAB was far less identified with GM than Pontiac was. Like, perhaps that’s substantially because SAAB was a Swedish brand for SO long?
5. If SAAB wasn’t worth less to GM than Pontiac was, why does GM still own the rights to Pontiac?
6. I am not at all “afraid” of SAAB’s numbers; I simply don’t CARE about them.
7. Did I ever attempt to “dictate” which car brands can be mentioned on this thread? Am I the administrator? Did I say you CAN’T mention this brand or that? Seems you’re back to your old habit of defensively jumping to unwarranted conclusions.
8. You’ve AGAIN demonstrated faulty logic. For decades, Pontiac was known for V8 performance. And then you mention G3s, G5s, and SV6s sitting on used-car lots. Notice that all those models AREN’T V8s. What, did Pontiac DEMAND that those models be equipped with V8s? Both GM AND Pontiac were aware that gas isn’t cheap any more. So, what was your point? What were you thinking? WERE you thinking?
9. In a very real sense, Pontiac always WAS a “second Chevy.” For decades, Pontiac hadn’t offered models that Chevy didn’t. Yet Pontiac was very competitive, and for years was #3 behind only Ford and Chevy.
10. I personally have no problem at all with Pontiacs being Chevy “clones.” If the vehicle wears Pontiac nameplates/insignia, it’s officially a Pontiac. That’s good enough for me.
11. As far as I’m concerned, a revived Pontiac need not be an “ideal traditional” Pontiac. A revived Pontiac brand can be whatever GM decides it should be.
12. You’re right: ALL of your arguments don’t move me. And allow me to correct you regarding the position I had taken all year: It’s, “GM had better revive Pontiac, or I’ll take my business to another automaker.” Pontiac’s tradition was never a “requirement.”
13. I would suggest that the only reasons Pontiac “couldn’t hack it” are that it didn’t sell vehicles outside of North America, and also, because of the Great Recession. The Great Recession ended over three years ago, and I would be glad to see a revived Pontiac selling outside of North America, and not just IN it.
14. I think GM made a TERRIBLE decision murdering Pontiac.
15. Finally, you and I may live in the same universe, but that’s about ALL we have in common.