Those reading GM Authority on the regular already know that we’ve been the go-to source of information surrounding a potential next-generation Chevy Camaro. Just last month, for instance, we brought you exclusive info about a key requirement of the next-gen model – that it must become more affordable than the last-gen car. Now, we’re back with another exclusive – this time with insider info about the status of the next-gen Camaro project as a whole.
Sources familiar with the matter recently told us that a group within GM had worked up a proposal for a seventh-generation Camaro. With support from some GM executives, the group’s purpose was to make a business case for the seventh generation of the iconic muscle car. A plan was generated and compiled, but upon being presented to decision makers, the proposal was “blown apart” due to the business case not being strong enough.
In essence, the plan’s key business-level performance targets – including sales volume forecast and profitability figures – were not met to green light the next-gen Camaro.
One source tells us that GM is still kicking the project around. “It’s still in play, but the light at the end of the tunnel is now dimmer,” the source tells us.
That’s all that we have for now, but we’ll report more as we learn it. Until then, be sure to subscribe to GM Authority for more Chevy Camaro news, Chevrolet news, and around-the-clock GM news coverage.
Comments
“but upon being presented to decision makers, the proposal was “blown apart” due to the business case not being strong enough”
LOL. But the Hummer EV’s business case was? Or the EV Silverado? Or the Celestiq? Or ANY of the EVs they have languishing on lots? GM has lost their minds.
Jim,
Exactly what I was going to say. In order to get a new Camaro, they must project significant sales potential; likely 50,000 + units annually. Yet GM builds all these EVs that are selling at extremely low volumes by historical company standards and none of them are on the chopping block.
The CT6, which in my opinion, was the best, most authentic Cadillac in 40 years was canned for volumes that are apparently acceptable now for the Silverado EV pickup. The Cadillac though should’ve been a lower volume prestige product whereas a pickup truck never will be. I agree too that the powers-that-be at GM have lost their collective minds.
Time to replace Barras. When you market a half ton Chevy pickup for over 60 thousand bucks and don’t include an owners manual in the glove box you don’t deserve to be in a decision making position. PERIOD!!
I am so done with BARA and GM! Killing the Camaro, all the EV crap and removing Android Auto and Apple Car Play is a deal breaker for me. Bara needs to get in touch with customers!
barras has to go.
Silverado EV sales grow. CT6 sales have already peaked. Besides, EV sales, are needed to meet ever increasing CAFE numbers.
The difference is that EV sales are increasing YoY:
2024 / 2023
Blazer 23,115 / 482
Equinox 28,874 / 0
Silverado 7,428 /461
Lyriq 28,402 / 9,154
Sierra 1,788 / 0
Hummer 13,993 / 1,748
…they aren’t “languishing on dealer lots” whereas 2 door sports car sales are decreasing, even for the Mustang.
A next-gen Camaro would require a new platform since the Alpha platform has been discontinued, which means a lot of up-front cost for a car. GM isn’t going to make them same mistake that Stellantis did with the Dodge Dart and Dodge Hornet.
Zero to 1788 isn’t exactly blowing the doors off either.
Sierra EV was initially only available as a Denali Edition 1 at launch. Care to comment on Blazer, Equinox and Lyriq sales? You know, unpick the cherry.
Sierra also wasn’t available until near the end of the year. 2025 will be much higher.
Ha, Ha another transparent, obvious, EV fan-boy dumb enough to compare model years where either the EV energy-hog didn’t exist or had just been introduced to low-information buyers versus the following, full-blown year. Not hard to remember who else uses false stats and lies.
ehhhhhhhhh….., the Alpha platform isn’t dead yet. Caddy CT4 is built on that frame.
It’s time may be coming, but in the short term while the standard CT4 & 5 are not doing great, the blackwing 4 & 5 are doing just fine…, because of demand and mark up of that particular vehicle. They only produce less than 2500 of each model every year, but it’s a big seller for them because of several reasons, but I suspect the biggest reason it come with a no lift shift 6 speed tranny with gobs of torq. I suspect the writing is on the wall for them here at some point though…, going electric.
All they have to do is give it 69 type front and bigger windows. How difficult is it for GM to understand that.
Nailed it! GM was the only one of the “Big Three” not to pay homage to the earlier years of their Pony Car with updated styling. Instead, they radically changed the looks of the latest Camaro and made the roof line so incredibly low it was like peering out of a Cavern.
I don’t think that would sell to the new generation. As a young millennial, our generation wants something cool looking and handles like a sports car. Not straight line.
The OG 6th gen is beautiful. Not the refresh. All it needs is practically enhancements. Maybe some small visibility changes otherwise it’s a perfect design. I’ve been driving my 17 for 8-9 years with no issues outside of my own skill issues.
At our plant we voted this combination and to make a lot of affordable base models but GM didn’t listen and had to do it their way again and look at where they are now, their EV’s are outrageously priced and aren’t selling enough to even break even with engineering and production costs, Keep it up GM and you will be out of business within ten years. You have let down all your loyal customers
CT4 & CT5 & variants are built on the Alpha 2 platform which debuted in 2020. Camaro was the last vehicle built on the Alpha platform which debuted in 2013 with the Cadillac ATS, and later the CTS.
Internally Alpha will be gone by 2026. Everyone is to move to Ultium. No one is happy about it.
That ought to signal a robust used-car market for ICE GM cars for years to come.
If a platform is retired, bring it back from the warehouse and get products going.
Did you even research what afford said about Mustang coupe sales?
They clearly stated that they are STILL struggling with supply chain issues.
It doesn’t require more than what Alpha II offers. That with the new gen V8 coming is what people want. Give the Silverado and Camaro the same basic V8 so long as it’s a 5.7 or bigger, there can be shared parts.
Oh, and don’t let whoever designed and greenlit the 6th gen camaro design have A N Y say in final design.
Factory-new Camaros DO NOT languish on dealer lots don’t be ridiculous. In Canada demand was so high that many buyers never got allocation and factory orders fulfilled. The 2024 model was selling like hotcakes but GM corporate decided to stop production a month early.
Getting to the point that GM not even considering for a future vehicle purchase. Happy to drive my classic Chevy’s though.
Love driving my 1969 Z28. Not 1 computer on board. Raw driving at it’s best.
BRAVO, BRAVO! Excellent perception of GM top brass penny pinchers.
As I’m watching the 2025 Daytona 500, I’m wondering if GM willbe forced to offer up a Cadillac car body, when the Camaro is outdated, or will they lobby NASCAR to start running all SUVs! LOL!
If you have paid attention Ford AND Chevy are already testing SUV body style NASCAR vehicles.
Well, they used an SUV EV as a Pace Car so anything is possible if you grease enough palms at NASCAR
By Nascar rules, GM is welcome to run the Camaro body for as long as they want to. But if they (GM) retire it, they can not bring it back unless it becomes an a nameplate for sale to the public again and the body has to be submitted to nascar before being eligible. But as long as it was a publicly available nameplate at time of introduction to the sport, it is eligible to compete indefinitely. And as side note, if in your future nascar race viewing, take note the cars no longer say “CAMARO” anywhere. In places where it used to say Camaro, it now say “CHEVROLET” but they do still say ZL1 for some reason. Which makes no sense at all to me.
Caddy has been rumored to be coming to nascar but not by anyone who understands the sport’s demographic. Or Cadillac’s. Caddy “motorsports” is more of a global, world-class level competitor, pretty much on the same level as Corvette. I might be wrong, but I definitely do not ever see Caddy being GM’s main nascar nameplate.
Also, Both Ford (Mach E) and GM (Blazer EV) have recently had their EV SUV racecar’s unveiled in the past couple weeks. And the current Nascar cup series car was designed with hybrid or full ev power in mind.
The business case for EV’s is making/selling enough of them to meet fleet-wide government fuel efficiency standards (so they can sell more gas powered trucks and SUV’s) and to keep their businesses in ZEV states. With a case like that, it’s a slam dunk even if the project itself makes or loses money.
Everyone wants to blame GM but in reality you can place all the blame squarely on Uncle Sam and blue states. If it made financial sense to build Camaros and the EPA/state emission requirements allowed for it, GM would be cranking them out by the tens of thousands.
OK, but does a battery-powered EV get figured into volume calculations by the EPA to determine CAFE numbers ? Seems like cheating, in a way, if they do. Camaro was killed because of very low sales and high prices, not because of EPA/state emission requirements
Billj598,
All things are considered.
Yes and that’s because they didn’t market the camaro like the other 2 do with the challenger charger and mustang. The main problem is there are idiot’s that are running GM and they are running the company into the ground.
Dodge is nearly bankrupt again. Stellantis is considering retiring the brand. Ford is struggling financially too. So keeping pony cars alive does not seem particularly lucrative.
@ Chevy guy
If you like calling people idiots, at least learn how to spell it correctly.
gm slt doesn’t know whether to scratch its watch or wind their butts.
Yes, but it happened several years ago… with no indication that their minds will be found again anytime soon…:(
The cold hard truth is the ICE products need to make the money. Not just profit but larger ROI.
The EV models get a pass for now but they have to remain in development.
EV is not going away and every company will need viable products when the EV politicians get back in office. Also globally it is the only segment with a growing market share.
The Camaro as it was only got more expensive the slower it sold. There is no cheap Nova to base a new Camaro on. They have cheap RWD platforms to base it on. The formula is dead.
Even the RWD Toyota sport coupe is not a profitable venture. Economic have killed the pony car formula.
Let’s face it many Camaro buyers went Stingray.
The Camaro based on a Cadillac was a great car but it was far from a cheap car to build or buy.
Starting in 2020 you could get a LT1 powered Camaro for $35K. GM wouldn’t have created that trim only to lose money on it.
Cheap to build and buy yet GM still killed it.
You are correct. If the cash outlay was the same, I’d definitely a slightly used Vette, than a brand new Camaro.
This IMO is a good thing actually. I say that because you want the car to survive flip-flop government regulations and an truck/SUV heavy market. Some may had pie-in-sky expectations but the BoD did due diligence and put down realistic expectations. Hopefully we’ll here of an approved program soon..
gm sucks. It’s becoming Karen and Boomer vehicles.
Hey, I resemble that remark! But as a Boomer that loves his 2019 Buick Regal GS, my 1983 Riviera convertible, my 1952 Chevy sedan, and my supercharged 427 powered 1937 Chevy Business Coupe, I too am extremely disappointed in the direction that GM is taking.
Lay off the Boomer-hate stuff Jonny-boy. We drove real cars that you punklings can only dream about.
Yes you did, and now you’re giving us garbage.
Um, the Camaro was, the boomer vehicle. That why they canned it. Boomers are dying off.
The Boomer vehicle is the Corvette. Camaro typically drew a younger crowd.
The Camaro used to be far more affordable than a Corvette. That’s one reason why the “younger crowd” bought them.
I’m a boomer. I’m not dead yet, and even in my younger years, I always desired Vettes over Camaros, or any other pony car. I’ve owned 6 Corvettes over my long lifetime, and purchased zero Camaros.
BTW, I still own and want good looking GM based sports sedans (that are affordable). Caddys are great, but just too darn expensive. GM has given us not alternatives as we had before. They’ve alienated an entire segment of the market by cutting sedans, and given it to every other manufacturer worldwide.
Pontiac Firebirds are better than any Chevy.
No company cares unless the item turns a profit. 2 door cars are mostly dead now. Does not make sense to green light it.
Funny, I see all kinds of Mustangs, Challengers, and Camaros on the road. 2 door cars are definitely not dead now. The makers have just stopped producing them. They should have killed the EV’s and kept the 6th gen camaro for a few more years. Already have all the stuff to produce them so cost is minimal compared to starting up an entirely new line. They could have easily kept the Alpha platform and just re-designed the body and interior to make a 7th gen camaro. Or even came out with a Chevelle on the same platform with a different body style. Lots of opportunities to capitalize on this platform that has been largely successful and beloved by car enthusiasts all around the world. Too bad most of these car companies are run by a bunch of morons.
Gen Z seems to love pony cars, but they don’t have all the Boomer retirement money that gm seems to be going after.
I went to a dealer last summer to buy an LT1 convertible. I t had been sitting on the lot for 90 days and he had a “supplemental” window sticker with over $6,000. worth of nonsense on it . Would Not Deal. I bought an Audi
Gm should produce more two door sports cars, bring back the chevelle 396 – 454 SS into production, like the 2025 concept chevelle. 1967 427ci Chevy Cameron.
Yep. Why the hell couldn’t they just build it on Alpha 2/CT4? Give it an LT2 variant. My hell it would be a complete parts bin car and that still wasn’t enough of a business case? BS!
Might require too many changes, but dropping an NA LTx motor in the 3.0L CT5-V seems like slam dunk!
So why is Toyota coming back with a new gen Celica?!
can’t wait. I loved the Celica’s. I owned many. Fun cars they were.
Honda has a new Prelude coming too.
Guess it needs to be another small CUV, but an EV?
Better to have killed this, than produce a 3cyl CUV “Camaro”.
why we need a further camaro ?
Because the Alpha platform out-handles almost every other platform on the market?? Especially the 1LE package.
But does it make money??
Of course it does, see CT4 and CT5. A third model would be gravy. You can’t be this daft.
Because someday, probably soon rather than later, Gen Z will get fed up with this everything off road trend and will be looking for an affordable go-fast-mobile. GM needs to have a foot in the door day 1 that happens, and not take 3-5 years after the trend hits like Toyota does every time.
Look on bright side…maybe the business plan was for an EV and management decided they needed to keep in ICE.
I KNOW, I KNOW…Wishful thinking. This is “gm” afterall.
Looks like you lowlifes just can’t afford a corvette to me. Stop crying and by a Mustang if you want cheap.
I’m not anywhere close to 70 years old yet, no Corvette wanted here.
do not need a corvette or camaro either and less a mustang, a 4 doors sedan beuatiful and with correct design very affordable would be nice to see instead
Know a couple “lowlifes” in old Buicks, who could pay cash for multiple Corvettes but don’t need to show it off…
“buy”
Anybody wanting a new Camaro doesn’t want to buy a raggedy ass Mustang.
Unless this is priced in the Civic or Elantra range as a regular person car, might as well just buy a Corvette. What is needed is a Cavalier or Chevette Scooter with back seat delete and heater type car to deal with Trump’s rising inflation and gas prices.
Don’t where you live but gas prices are dropping in Virginia
I got a gen6 Camaro after getting rid of all my Toyotas. And now no gen7! Sucks!
Love my Mustang. Come on over to the bright side!
Hard pass!
does anyone really care what this chinese focused company does ?
Less and less.
IMHO, the ability of the middle-class to buy a fun car is gone. The classic car market will crash once the generation after the BOOMERS waste all their cash they inherited. Small fuel efficient (ICE) vehicles will be the future.
The money isn’t there for the middle class. The upper crust will want a BMW, LEXUS, or Mercedes.
Sorry folks, we aren’t in the 60’s and 70’s anymore. I’m 78 and have a Mustang. I’m a dying breed. It’s all downhill from now!
Dennis,
And Trump is going to monetarily further burden the middle class.
Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He does not know what it is like not to be rich. His worsening dementia and inept presidential skills are ruining this country.
He won’t live long, but most of us will, and we will suffer through the aftermath of his failed presidency for years.
and tell me, how exactly did trump get into this conversation? TDS for sure
Agree, there was no reason to bring Trump’s Deplorable Supporters into the discussion.
…grow up mentally…trumps and Elon accomplished more in 3 weeks than the democrats did in 30 years…
How can he do anything wrong or illegal if he is trying to make us great again? Call me when we are great again. Thanks.
You seem to be confusing Joe with Trump as Trump can speak coherent sentences and has been working non stop every day he has been back in office unlike Joe who ran away from questions and cameras and spent more time on vacation than in the Oval office not to mention literally hundreds of videos with him stumbling and fumbling sentences and losing his train of thought! Maybe it is you that is suffering from Dementia
…hey Ivan…with that Russian name, just go back to your native country…no TDS needed here…stop trolling car sites with your political nonsense…just shows immature and crazy you are…
Why uncle, aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black.
Uncle Al, look up the name Ivan. You might learn something, or maybe not.
Ivan for screen name isn’t creepy like “Uncle Al”. Are you really that stupid to think that was my real name.
Jealous there? Work a little harder.
Suggest you look into anger management therapy.
shut up, you TDS moron, you supported a pos who created the crime bills and responsible for opening our borders and caused all this pain.
Hi I am 26 and bought my 4 cylinder turbo 2023 Camaro at the age of 25. The base model Camaro was actually very reasonably priced if you avoided the marketing traps of “technology package” and never-ending trims, and when you looked at the price to horsepower ratio.
When I went to a dealer to buy a manual transmission Camaro they could not locate one anywhere in eastern Canada. I had to fulfill a factory order and spend weeks hoping it would get allocation. Fortunately I was lucky as GM was eager to produce the i4 for CAFE standards, but many who ordered ZL1s or V8s never did end up getting allocation for their factory orders.
Forget the 4 cyl engine. It’s V8 or it’s nothing.
I think there is a market for a performance sedan. Boomer families with 2 kids would love something different and sportier than a SUV type box. Bring back the Chevy SS. It could fill in for both the Camaro and a sedan with a decent back seat.
I meant to say Gen X’er and Millennials, not Boomers. (I think by now we’re done having kids.)
Steve,
I thought you said you were 50 yrs. old.
Baby Boomers were born, ’46 thru ’64.
Don’t know where you got that. I’m in my 70’s.
Steve,
Sorry, my mistake.
Must be a Freudian slip.
I wish I were 50.
There’s 3-4 Steve’s on this site. I’m sure one of thems 50. I’m changing my name to Steve 29 here on out as I’m one of the younger steves.
Steve 29,
Sounds like a good plan.
Gen X’s kids are adults. We are well 8nto our 50s or early 60s.
That’s called a Cadillac. But the problem is that Americans are bad at math. The top selling vehicles all get around 15 MPG If Americans stopped buying guzzoline guzzlers….it happened during 80s. We had tons of fuel efficient cars from GM and Ford.
The difference is: GM left the Camaro to die. No changes in engines or anything. The mustang has a new sub model every year.
Mary says: you can’t make a business case.
Mary has done: nothing for performance enthusiasts except for very expensive Cadillacs and Hummers and C8. Then wonders why Camaro sales tanked.
Duh, I wonder why the public went elsewhere.
Time for her to Go!
gm management is terrible. Deport Musk.
The comments section on stuff like this is always so predictable – people saying stuff like yeah well screw Mary she doesn’t know what she’s doing. The people want a 2-door coupe (because I want one) blah blah…
People, the coupe market has been dying for a long time. GM has been smart in not committed to it if it’s not going to profitable. That’s just good business period. The Mustang was recently redesigned and had its worst year of sales ever.
Just because you’re wistful for the “good old days” doesn’t mean there is a market for what you want.
…and you know what Mustang sales are up this year? EV Mustang sales. Bet that’s gonna ruffle more than a few of your feathers but it’s facts. Sorry.
Well when you pile on cash discounts you could sell turds to Eskimos so this is hardly a shock.
Mustang Mach E,=MINO……Mustang in name only…
Meh,
I agree with you. Some people can’t see the forest through the trees.
I think car enthusiasts are great. I have an immense amount of respect for the enthusiasts that put an exorbitant amount of work, time, money, and love, to keep these old cars alive so the younger Generations can see them.
” wistful for the good old days”, and wanting vehicles built that only appeal to a small segment of the population is not going to pay the bills at GM.
“wanting vehicles built that only appeal to a small segment of the population is not going to pay the bills at GM.”
And yet the gm has how many crossover’s?
Trax
Trailblazer
Equinox
Equinox EV
Blazer
Blazer EV
Traverse
Terrain
Acadia
Envista
Encore
Envision
Enclave
Vistiq
Lyriq
Optiq
XT6
XT5
XT4
Then the truck line up and big SUVS
Sierra/Silverado
Canyon/Colorado
Tahoe/Suburban/Escalade/Yukon
Hmm? What if I want something sporty – not a crossover.
CT4, CT5, Corvette
Ok maybe a crossover…
GM is in exactly 2 markets. The 50th percentile buyer – the average of averages. Or trucks (and with in that segment staying very close to that middle of the road – AT4X and ZR2 are SOOO extreme – special shocks)
Wow that is a LONG list of ugly old lady vehicles.
One-Ford globalization turned Mustang mostly into a snoozer Euro Grand Tourer. After a lag effect, it’s sunken in, it’s a watered down pony. The MINO EV had pull ahead demand in ’24.
Honda, Toyota, Nissan,Subaru, Ford, all make and market 2 door sports cars with manual transmissions that are fun to drive. GM brass need to look back to the years before they were even born, look at the cars and the marketing, learn a thing or two and build a sports car for the masses. Not holding my breath though.
Just build a Camaro station wagon! Ya that should sell?
Just call it a Vega Wagon, sure…
OI\’ Yeller, how about a Flintstone car.
Even if the profit margin regarding a new Camaro was low, the image to GM could be priceless. A new Camaro should have at least some versions which would be low frills, simple, and powerful enough for an average enthusiast. V6 and V8 power, rear drive, etc. should remain. No electric versions please!! Price should be substantially lower than the Mustang, as most people who would buy that car are priced out of the market. The Mach E electric Mustang is currently selling better than the real Mustang.
Hire me GM and I will figure out how to make it happen! I’m writing business proposals every week it seems like at the automaker I work for!
The biggest issue with automotive is that the business is so driven by numbers you need to have a really sound business case to make anything happen, and coupes are probably the most difficult to get across the line since there isn’t high demand for them and automakers want to fill a factory to a certain capacity to make certain profits. My recommendation, which is more work than 1 model but could pay off, is to look beyond the Camaro and figure out how a new platform could underpin multiple models, like the alpha platform has in recent years. This time, figure out how to integrate hybrid technology like on corvette eray (AWD Hybrid Camaro V8 anyone?), in addition to features that will make the product more useable year round (AWD on lower end models, larger / “hatchback” opening trunk). If you could get a new platform that underpins not just Camaro, but a sedan (Chevelle 4 door resurrection?) and even a small crossover, you might have something very special to fill a production facility. I can’t think of any small / midsize V8 crossovers with Rear wheel drive biased driving that start under $60k, but that would be an interesting one that no automakers are attempting and could get GM to stand apart from its competitors. Rugged Midsize SUVs built off truck platforms are becoming popular again, GM missed the boat on that one, but this is something nobody is really looking at and could really turn the tides. Get the business case and product offer right and enthusiasts (young and old) will come flocking to dealers!
GM already had an AWD 4 dr sport hatchback sedan. They never advertised it. EVER! And they killed it after a 3 year run from 2018 to 2020
It had the double OHC, 310 HP V6 (that runs on regular, with a smooth but fast shifting 9 speed auto, handled like a much smaller 2dr sport coupe, and has a roomy fold down back seat, with a bunch of room accessed thru the rear hatch.
I’ll bet hardly anyone has even seen one on the street, but I have one in my garage and I won’t be trading it in.
Google 2019 Buick Regal GS. It’s a surprisingly great driver.
As much as I respect the last Buick Regals, I also know that they were built for multiple markets, not just the US. They were sold in Europe and Australia – perhaps other places – and therefore could amortize development costs over more sales in more countries. The Camaro would have to justify its budget entirely on US sales as GM has abandoned most of the rest of the world. Consequently, the coupe’s business case is much tougher.
The regal was also built in China and they lost money importing it. China isn’t as cheap a place to build as everyone thinks. Article here Saturday about Mexico having most their cars made in China shows that their “large sedan” the Onix costs more than a Malibu to make in Chinese despite the Malibu being the more desirable car.
Ray M,
Only if the price is right, or they will rot on the lot.
It’s pretty obvious that GM no longer wants to produce vehicles they make little to no money on. Front wheel drive cars are superior to rear wheel drive cars in the snow.
Depends on the car. A RWD car with a lot of weight on the rear will do well. Some of the older GM FWD cars on the J platform like the calvlier had nearly 70% of their weight on the front with only one passenger and could make it anywhere. Many of the newer cars like the newer NOX are more of a 55/45 front rear distribution and don’t do very well at all, especially when you get to a subtle incline.
That said, you take the new Trax, drop In a 2.5L NA engine, and that would get back to the J body weight ratio and would be a compact sport car with incredible traction and power to weight.
Steve 29,
There’s a lot of Truth to what you say.
Out of high school in the early ’70s a friend of mine and I ran a gas station. He owned a front wheel drive Olds Toronado with a big block engine. That car was a freak of nature.
Most of the vehicles on the road at that time were rear wheel drive, one wheel driving. Pickups hadn’t become a fad yet, only people that needed them drove them. The majority were not four-wheel drive.
I live between Buffalo, New York and Niagara Falls. I am quite used to driving in snow.
The first time I drove a more modern front-wheel drive was in the early ’80s. It was a Citation or Cavalier I think. I was amazed how it went through the snow. It would go through bumper deep snow, when a Chevy Impala wouldn’t move in 3″ of snow. I didn’t need to know a lot of scientific front to back weight ratio data. All I needed to do throughout the years was drive in the snow and observe what vehicles were moving right along, and which ones could barely move at all. Believe it or not, you can learn a lot from casual observation. Most of the cars up here now are either front wheel drive, all wheel drive, or a combination of both. They seem to all move right along through the snow especially if they have good tires on.
Front wheel drive cars are superior to rear wheel drive cars in the snow. That is the statement I made. There’s always some exceptions. One right off the top of my head, was the old time Volkswagen Beetle with the rear air-cooled engine. They moved great in the snow. Steering not so much.
That was truly a utilitarian car. I can still remember the VW commercial. The last new car sold in America for under $2,000.
The much loved Camaro is still loved by very many people; just look at all the comments. How many cars get this kind of response ? Unfortunately I never got a chance to purchase a 6th gen, but did manage to purchase a 4th gen new and still love that SS. I want a new 7th gen gasoline powered V8 for my next Camaro !
Except all they do is b!tch and whine in comments, and don’t actually buy Camaros, then wonder why it gets cancelled.
We all know what needs to happen for GM to greenlight a new Camaro. I’m convinced that had the new retro Mustang not taken the world by storm in 2005 we never would have gotten a 5th Gen Camaro. The problem now is that Mustang isn’t exactly setting the world on fire and the latest redesign didn’t exactly help it. I absolutely love Camaro, have owned 3 – but maybe it’s better off where it is. I won’t buy an EV version.
Me either. I would rather they never bring it back if it’s going to be an EV. Or a cross between an SUV. No thank you.
The light at the end of the tunnel sure got dimmer alight. The moment the 2020’s aka Malaise Era II began!
Malaise II ended Jan 20 2025
Yeah, now it is absolute lunacy era. Sucks for GM that Trump is attacking the auto industry so hard with his ever changing tariffs.
Bob Lutz needs to come out of retirement asap! He knows how to design a sports car from the ground up. The C8 Corvette gurus have retired, it’s all downhill??? GM needs life support, EV’s aren’t going to keep GM profitable for the near future. More investment in ICE vehicles is their only hope short term. GM EV’s are great, not enough affordable choices.
Only one guru retired, 2 others got fired. Sad days, indeed…
To Be honest, Bob is still going strong and sharp as a bird at 92! He could still pitch some great ideas!
Sure, bring back the that brought GM to bankruptcy. That sounds like a brilliant move. GM is doing better financially under Mary than it ever did under Bob.
No – what did Bob bring us?
SSR – regurgitated Tomahawk
HHR – regurgitated PT Cruiser
Prowler couldn’t sell that one to GM too?
Envoy XUV
Chevy SS last ditch
Aztec everybodies love to hate – but in todays market I say ahead of its time.
I am becoming more and more disappointed in gm by the day. They really only make one 3 exciting vehicles anymore. Two cadillacs and one chevy.
I’ll probably never buy anything that they currently make. If they brought back the longer bed Colorado I might consider it
I think a car like the Camaro has traditionally appealed primarily to young buyers and usually to males but the last generation of the car was too big and too expensive. They need a back-to-basics car that is smaller, lighter, cheaper but absolutely beautiful and fun-to-drive. It wouldn’t necessarily have to have a 6.2 liter V8 to achieve that.
Mazda engineers years ago purposely left the Miata with the high-revving four cylinder when they had a very compact 1.8 liter V6 from the MX3 or larger 2.5 liter V6 from the MX6; both engines had more power. After testing Miatas with the V6s, they determined it was more fun to rev the four cylinder than to more instantly be at 60 with one of the more powerful engines. I think they were right. That fun nature of the Miata has kept it in continuous production for 35 years with many loyal owners.
A new Camaro could take a different approach and perhaps not even have a V8. I don’t know how that would fly with the purists but today, a V8 isn’t necessary for high performance and any new version shouldn’t be aimed at 65 year old purists who remember the Camaros of their youth but instead aimed at today’s youth who currently find Asian or German sporty cars more appealing.
The 65 year olds are Vette buyers.
Want to make sure gen7 is doa? Use your engine idea. A small block V6 makes a lightened V8 Camaro, a lighter front-mid base car, the correct choice for Americans that want the ability to drive like a-holes.
You mean turning the Camaro into a full blown EV was gonna be met with criticism? Huh
Get over it. There is no Camaro coming. Yes I had a 15 Z/28, 18 ZL1 1LE and 19 ZL1 1LE A10. It’s over. Get a Z06 or ZR1 while you can.
The current Mustang is a bloated, heavy and wretched mess, nothing like the original concept and models from the mid sixties. The Camaro was also heavy and too muscular looking in its last days. Make them sleeker, simpler designed with lower cost to boot with a Six or V8 and I’m sure GM would have a hit on its hands. There’s too much talking by the GM suits and bean counters but NO ACTION! When will those fools get their act together and give the people what they really want instead of an EV Camaro, and heaven forbid a Camaro SUV. That would be sacrilegious in my view. GM: WAKE UP! Peace… 🙏♐🏹
In other words, don’t and never get your hopes up
I would like to know if they pitched an EV version of the Camaro or a gasoline version? EV is dead for sure.
I’m glad I bought a 2024 Camaro and I’m having a blast driving it. It kicks booty over my 2010 Camaro that I traded in.
Time to make some changes at GM and let’s get some “Real Car Guys” start driving the bus instead of these individuals that just want to please the 1%.
This is not surprising to hear; the fact is that the people who lead GM right now are not Car People (with maybe the exception of Reuss). They are Electric Appliances sales-people. They are still holding out with their vision of making every appliance in their catalog All Battery Powered; when everybody else have recently changed course.
Car People don’t create a World Class Corvette in 2020 and flat out retire or fire the same creative minds behind that car only 5 years later. Car People make performance and style affordable and accessible to everybody; not just for the well-heeled. Car People don’t introduce a visually appealing metallic color into their lineup and than allow it to be cancelled mid-year because they did not order enough paint. Car People take advantage of their own history and thus, do everything they can to keep alive a Firebird Trans-Am, a Chevelle Super Sport, a Buick GS or Camaro Z28. It’s clear to me that the Barras of GM do not attend Cars and Coffee meets, or annual meetups for various american brands at Carlisle, PA. Car People don’t ignore the Ford Maverick class of small truck, while they are too busy making their one-time small truck Colorado into the size of a K-10 Chevy pickup of the late 60’s.
Car People pay attention to who just won the Daytona 500 last night and would be embarrassed to know the Camaro running in that series last ran off their assembly lines in 2023. The suits running GM would make great appliance salesmen and women at your nearby Home Depot or Lowes. The suits running GM are NOT car people. And to solidify their hold on power, the same suits break up and fire the Corvette designers and engineers. The suits at GM are driving their once great corporation into the ground in hopes a savior from China will come along and buy them out of their misery.
Kill all the bean counters, kill them tonight.
If the ‘Bard was a GM man.
BMG1, Don’t forget Elon Musk.
I love my 23 Bolt EV, but I wouldn’t trade my 22 LT1 Camaro for anything! GM should build a 2 dr sports car on the new Bolt platform, like the original Tesla roadster. It would serve as an alternative to a Camaro, possibly an EV and ICE model.
Nobody wants a EV Camaro.
The number one and two objectives for GM today is profit and meeting CAFE requirements. Period. End of story.
The 6th gen did both.
If they aren’t going to put an effort to “market” the Camaro, then just do us a favor and kill it….
I love Volvo’s model. One modular platform that generates sedans, crossovers, and SUV. Put GM powertrains in them and they’d be perfect. I suspect unions would have something to say about paring down to a handful of models…or whittling down to a few assembly plants.
Gigacasting and bonding/rivets will make Alpha 2 lighter and cheaper. GM could spawn several vehicles from Camaro, Malibu, Impala, and Blazer, with 48V, ethernet, and hybrid. GM execs lack focus and purpose. GM is a sleeping giant and could be the Tesla of ICE vehicles.
GM ex’s…….you reading these comments????? Get some REAL car guys again, and light up the sales chart!!!!!!!
Can i buy a street version of the winning car? If not, why is it racing?
You aren’t concerned about NASCAR V8 engine and trans development/technology transfer so why participate?
I think this is the perfect time to bring back the firebird. Everybody is looking for it and wanting it in the performance car magazines. It was actually better than the camaro.
Don’t wish your life away.
Live in the present, not the past.
There’s no future in the past.
You can’t move forward by going backwards.
GM is completely tone deaf on this and seemingly every other issue. Trump is complaining that the streets of Manhattan are filled with Mercedes. Who remembers when the streets of Manhattan were filled with Lincoln town cars? Lincoln and Cadillac no longer make sedans, except in China, where no one wants to buy an American vehicle because it’s perceived as very unpatriotic. GM, update the ICE powered crossovers, bring back the CT6.
“Trump is complaining that the streets of Manhattan are filled with Mercedes”. Well, he can change that in a heart beat. Just give Elon the nod.
Reality is GM EV’s suck. The Silverado is great hardware wrapped up in a huge price and terrible styling. Blazer EV and SS, same thing. Ford did the EV truck right, just needs to be updated with better tech. Same goes for the Mach e.
Nothing GM has on the horizon will get me into a dealership. Nothing.
So far looks like Toyota is going to earn my business with their new MR2/Celica whereas GM is probably never going to see my money. I had a 2022 Camaro 2SS, was hopeful for a 7th gen.
Bring the car back
Time for scary Mary to leave GM.
This isn’t as hard as GM made it… you didn’t sell many camaros because you didn’t build the ones we wanted… no V8 no thanks.. every single v8 version had to be preordered because otherwise they could not be had.