Initially hitting the scene for the 2016 model year, GM discontinued the full-size Cadillac CT6 luxury sedan in North America following the end of the 2020 model year. Despite its departure from America, GM continued to sell the Cadillac CT6 in China, even launching a second generation for the 2024 model year. In our opinion, the new Cadillac CT6 should be sold stateside as well.
First things first – GM should continue to build the second-gen Cadillac CT6 in China and import it for sale in the U.S. General Motors is already doing exactly that with the new Buick Envision crossover, which is a higher-volume vehicle with lower profit margins. By contrast, the Cadillac CT6 would lend itself more naturally to importation, as it’s a low-volume, but high-margin vehicle.
At present, the second-generation Cadillac CT6 is available with a singular engine choice, specifically the turbocharged 2.0L I4 LSY gasoline engine, rated at 233 horsepower and mated to the GM 10-speed automatic transmission. Some might criticize 2.0L I4 LSY as being underpowered for the application, but those critics would be forgetting that the CT6’s main rivals (BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Audi A6) all offer a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder, which indicates that buyers would likely not share the same concerns.
Of course, GM could also fit this hypothetical U.S.-spec second-gen Cadillac CT6 with the twin-turbocharged 3.0L V6 LGY gasoline engine, the same powerplant that motivates the Cadillac CT5-V, which produces 360 horsepower and 405 pound-feet of torque. Either way, both engines would require GM to certify the next-gen Cadillac CT6 for emissions compliance.
Then there’s the issue of price. At present, GM offers four trim levels for the Cadillac CT6 in China, with pricing ranging between 359,700 yuan and 469,700 yuan, or roughly $50,000 to $65,000 at current exchange rates. Sounds about right, no?
But what about interest? Well, according to a recent GM Authority poll, a whopping 94 percent of GM Authority poll-takers think GM should sell the all-new Cadillac CT6 in America (roughly 1,300 votes total). Back in 2018, in another GM Authority poll, 43 percent of poll-takers expressed interest in buying a new Cadillac CT6 imported from China.
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If Cadillac plans to build two new electric sedans, then one must be sized to the CT6 and become a less expensive sibling to the Celestiq.
GM Owner:
I believe it’s been reported that this is exactly what is being planned.
Build it here and sell it here.
Built in China . Sell it in China.
Build an Eldorado for USA with Fins ,not Wings
We want the 4cyl 2024 Cadillac CT6 in America
Steve Morano:
Who’s ” We”?
A 4 cylinder was the base in the first few years of the original CT6 and no one bought them.
With niche World Cars, only one assembly line is required. With Regal & Commodore, it was easy for GM to build in Opel EU plants. Now, with GM a US/China venture, it only makes sense for GM to import vehicles like CT6, Envision and maybe the next Regal and Malibu.
Envision sells great so, clearly, people don’t seem to care about where a car us built anymore
Then we can start making the Silverado in Mexico and just close all the US plants…..the stock goes up .005% and everyone in the C suite gets richer on effing over the workers…..
Lets just import everything from China and change GM’s name to what it really is SAIC’s US Sales Division.
Silverados were built in Mexico for years before being brought back to the U.S.A. to be assembled.
It still is made in Mexico too I believe, to clarify, I mean’t moving 100% of truck production to Mexico….
But sadly it does not work that way. The US, Mexico and Canada build cars using MVSS – the rest of the world including China and Europe use UNECE standars which are standards designed by the EU with contributions from the United Nations standards committee. UNECE standars are superior to ours. So the CT6 is built with those standards and there are hundreds of differences between the two. It basically means that Cadillac China would have to have two assembly lines or they do a run for China and they stop and then do a run for North America. If GM is only going to sell 1-2k a year it is not worth the bother. Like the metric system, the US should simply adopt the global standard – it is superior anyway.
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and Limousine alike. And keep as a long term model even in low production amounts. Upgrade drivetrain for North American market.
10 Speed Transmission production is maxed out.
No room for a Caddie variant that would take away any Truck Sale$$$$!
The XT5 and XT6 are the professional cars in the Cadillac line up now.
Consider making a Sub Brand just for Professional Platform- LA SALLE and be a hybrid to avoid the Cadillac requirements of having to be an Electric Only.
And preferably be built in North America – Avoid Import / Export Problem. And if Tensions grow between China and North America.
Americans don’t buy sedans anymore – because of the cheap price of gasoline we prefer to drive around in hulking monsters that kill cyclists and pedestrians at much higher rates than in Europe. We used to be leaders in automotive safety but we lost that crown 30 years ago and our road deaths have been climbing while Europe has been dropping such that Western Europe is now 3x safer than the US! Who would have thought. But to specifically answer your question GM does volume and there aint no volume in a run of 1-2k cars. I personally only buy sedans and Corvettes – so you are talking to someone who does not need convincing but most people buy what their social peers buy and with gasoline so cheap they buy big ungainly SUVs and pickup trucks.
Gasoline in the USA is extremely cheap because we tax it very lightly. The price of gasoline depends directly on the price of crude oil. If the global price of crude oil goes up then so does the price of gasoline in the US. If it goes down then so does the price of gasoline. US Presidents have very little, and I mean very little, impact on the price of gasoline. For you to say that gasoline was cheaper under Trump than under Biden may be accurate but it had nothing to do with Trump. I can promise you that gasoline was even cheaper under President Carter. In Europe I pay $6/$10/gallon depending on the country because of high taxes.
Nice try, but none of this qualifies as a “Business Case”. Especially citing polls on your own website (one of them 5 years old).
Did the “whopping 94%” realize selling the car here meant it being imported from China? Whenever China is mentioned here I read nothing but vitriol in the comments. It seems hypocritical that so many would abandon their hatred of China and GMs involvment there in exchange for one low volume sedan.
GM will never do it. Even importing an existing vehicle costs a lot of money. Getting tested and Certified by the Government. Setting up parts distribution and training of personnel at GM and tbe Dealers. All this for sales that would be at least as weak as they were for the original car.
It is sad because I own a CT6-V and I love it. I also brought it to Europe so have maxed it out – luckily mine was a 2020 and not a 2019 because the 2019 was speed limited to 241 km/h but luckily mine is speed limited to 282 km/h and although it should have broken the 300 km/h mark that seperates the men from the boys in the super sedan market (that metric standard again) outside of Germany 280 clics is sufficient. In Germany sadly no, especially when battling a W12 Bentley or Porsche 911.
Sad to see the Cadillac XT5 production ending in the the USA after the 2024 model year and to see the demise of direct injection 3.6 liter V6 in many GM vehicles. I will never buy a battery powered vehicle, a 4 cylinder engine vehicle nor anything made in China. I have been a GM customer all of my life and may not be buying anymore GM vehicles if this trend continues. I prefer V8s but have settled for the 310 hp direct injection 3.6 liter V6s. So heads-up to General Motors executive management…!!! I have heard this same concern from many people! Don’t let Feds force you out of business as your overall vehicle sales continue to decline as they have by 50% over last decade. Hang in there!!!
We are better off waiting for the Prime BEV models to debut in a few years.
Build it here and also the Impala on the same assembly line. Do it with a choice of gasoline engines and an option for an electric motor on the rear axle.
There is a chance the CT6 will be built in America if Mary Buick Envision Made in China-Barra is fired.
Cigna:
No chance whatsoever. A new CEO wouldn’t make setting up production, certifying, and selling the CT6 in the US in return for a handful of sales a good idea.
sold a CT six in the USA. I know I and my brother will buy one as soon as available.
Sadly, my first Cadillac will be my last. Unless they bring a full size sedan like the CT6 back into the mix, I am being forced to change brands when I sell my CT6. This car is one of the best vehicles I have ever owned and GM totally screwed up by getting rid of it.
Would I buy a car made in China? I’m pretty skeptical… A 2.0L turbo sounds less than “meh” for a car of this size. Don’t make it electric as I need the range. My current CT6 gets over 600 miles to the tankful on highway.
Fine Wuhan Pangolin seating surfaces, what a joke, who would really want this from China?
A full size high end luxury sedan with a 4cyl engine…..no thanks.
I wouldn’t buy it if I didn’t make it proudly in America. GM is trying to protect Cadillac’s identity as a U.S. brand by not selling any Chinese-produced Cadillacs to markets other than China.
Yes, they need to sell the CT6 in the US again. But I feel it’s super important to assemble it here too. Easy fix for the costs of that: give Buick a version as well. I do think they would need to offer a second form of motivation other than just the 2.0 turbo. That’s just my opinion because a luxury car/brand like this should have more than one engine to offer.
Many of you know I work at a Volvo store in the fleet department. I handle the livery vehicles that go out and we have been delivering a lot of Volvo S90’s to the livery drivers. They just don’t have options and most tell me that they are not happy that Cadillac has left this huge opening with just the Escalade to fill. I’ve been told several times that there is a huge need for large sedans as many drivers don’t want to pilot an Escalade and many riders don’t want the SUV and instead prefer a luxury CAR. Keep in mind that Volvo offers no optional engines besides the 2.0 Turbo and the S90 is a very large car. In fact, I’m also being told that the livery companies prefer the 4 cyl for the better MPG.
Finally and on that same livery topic. Many of these companies would definitely buy a CT6 and I’m sure they would jump on a less expensive Buick large luxury model.
So why are they choosing the S90 over something like the S Class, 7 Series, G90, LS 500 & G90? Does that have something to do with entry cost of the S90 being less expensive to the livery service? I think the G80 is a somewhat large car as well and have motorized rear seats like the first gen. CT6 did.
Johnls_39: Honestly I don’t know the answer to that. Sorry. So this is speculation only.
I think they are going with the S90’s because: 1. Volvo has been more aggressive in getting those sales. 2. I think the S90 is more affordable than the rest you listed and probably lower upkeep costs?? 3. The S90 is luxury enough but not over the top. It’s more efficient and most likely more cost effective which is a huge thing for the livery business.
I can tell you that many of them tell me that the preference is a Cadillac or Lincoln for the mainstream livery services or the S-class for the higher end. If GM offered them a large Buick sedan for a better price and the CT6 for the higher end, they would gobble them up.
S90 sales make CT6 sales look like 1964 Mustang sales so I guess Volvo needs to unload them on someone.
Dan B:
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A Buick version is the answer ????
Why, oh why, would spending hundreds of millions MORE designing, testing, certifying, and offering a Buick version (which remember would have a lower sticker price) make a profit???
GM would lose truck loads of money. I’d sell my shares if they announced such a thing.
Let’s see Megeebee: Maybe becuase GM is a company that supposedly offers customers choices. So it’s ok for GM to spend those same millions or MORE for another SUV/CUV, but it’s not ok for a sedan?
If you think that GM is best to not give customers a choice, then have at it. You obviously haven’t taken into account the many lost sales that GM is losing from not offering these types of cars. Then there’s the repeat, referral and family pass down that GM is losing. Have you factored that all in? I’m sure not.
Need to both build and sell this in the US AND put a decent engine in it too! Does anyone else remember with Cadillac was the “Cadillac of cars”? They didn’t put the same overworked engine into a Cadillac just because their competition did it! They went better! When everyone else went to smaller 5.0’s, they still offered 350s, when everything else went to V-6s they had a V-8! It was what made you want to pay more for a Cadillac! Now GM has the mindset of “let’s give them the same crappy car everyone else does with the same overworked short life 4 bagger, only make it in China so our profit margin is higher and then slap a Cadillac badge on it so we can charge them more. I have the 2.0 turbo in my wife’s (tiny) CT-4. It’s good for that small car, so much so that the I hardly need the turbo to kick in (at least when my wife is in the car with me) But a bigger car needs a big engine! Start with a 3.0 turbo V6 with cylinder deactivation which makes it a 2.0 at highway cursing speed (it will get better gas millage than the 4) for your enviro-friendly customers (you know, the suckers) and offer a 4.0 V-8 for customers who want it.
Bring back the Blackwing V8! Canceling it was a huge waste of money.
Yes but it must be made in NA. It should get two tunes of the 3.0 V6 twin turbo, it would be great if the Blackwing V8 twin turbo was available but alas. There is still a need for a up to date traditional American luxury sedan as a everyday driver and variants for livery and other commercial applications. Make it so GM.
I have a 2017 CT6, which is a perfect car for me in terms of size, comfort, and style (except for the defective 8 speed transmission). I always looked at it as an affordable competitor to Mercedes S Class, BMW 7 series, or Audi A8. These cars are money makers so GM should continue offering it in US/Canada even if it is imported.
I had a ’17 CT-6 with the 4 as a loaner for a couple of weeks, and overall, I was very impressed. Of course, it had the previous generation 2.0 turbo, that had 270 bhp and 295 lb/ft of torque, and it seemed to be capable of 0-60 in about 7 seconds, as well as highway mpg close to 40! At low RPMs, there was very little vibration, and none of my passengers guessed that it had a 4 cylinder engine. Most people don’t realize that Cadillac kept the weight down to 3600-3700 lbs, so that engine is entirely adequate for most people. I’m not impressed by the current 2.0, which is definitely weaker without being notably smoother or more frugal, but part of the deficit will be made up by the10-speed transmission.
In any event, there are certainly enough people looking for CARS that the import would be worthwhile. If sales picked up , then they could build them here. The biggest downfall with the last CT-6 was the interior styling and quality. If upgraded to the standard of the Escalade, or even the Lyric, they could have a winner. I do agree that a choice of engines is important in this class, no matter how adequate the 4 might perform, if just for the perception of luxury
CARS! Not trucks. Imported from China?
I love the body but not the engine.
I’m not buying ANY car made in China – however if GM made that car here and put the LT4 in it, I’d be in love.
I wanted one when I ended up with a ATS for financial reasons. I’m more financially capable now, but by the time my ATS lease was done, so was the CT6. I still think it makes sense in the NA lineup.
CT6 should be imported, but with the same V6 engine that our 2020 CT6 has.
I leased a 2018 CT6 and think it’s a damn shame GM didn’t think to continue thr model. I replaced my CT6 with a Genesis G90, another fine automobile. But if GM was smart enough to bring back the CT6 it would be the next car in my garage. The CT6 was the nimblest Luxury car I’ve ever driven. It was quiet, comfortable and easy to drive. The decision to diminish the brand by discontinuing the CT6 was stunning.
I would love to see a CT6 back in production, however, I hope that they change the frame from aluminum to steel, I not sure how excited I am to see a four cylinder engine that will probably use high octane gas. I wouldn’t min the smaller engine if they add a hybrid addition to the car. It probably would give it the additional power. I had the last generation CT6 and got tapped in the back while sitting at a light, I never thought at the time of the accident that the car was a total. The bodyshop and the insurance company said that the frame splintered. I really loved that car because of the comfort and size.
Do the Chinese ones offer AWD (standard with V6) and rear wheel steering like the US ones did?
I sat in a 2018 one early this year. The head restraint stabbed me in the back. Who designed that crap?
Can we please STOP reporting that the CT6 is a 5-Series competitor? It’s NOT! It’s an S-Class/7 Series competitor. Geeze.
William:
WRONG.
The 7 and the S both have base prices DOUBLE that of any CT6.
Geeze.
This is a good post, but you need to be a little more condescending…..you’re not coming across as the arsehole know it all that you propose to be….you gotta step it up.
The CT6 is beautiful! It deserves the Blackwing CT4V engine, brakes and suspension…that would be a great car.
Build it here and Sell it here…End of story…
I had a 2020 CT6 and loved it. When the lease was up it was replaced with a CT5, Premium Luxury, V6, which is a decent car, but not a good replacement for the CT6. If the CT6 becomes available in the US with a V6, I would replace my CT5 in a heartbeat. I’ll take mine in Crystal White Metallic with Maple Sugar interior, unless it’s offered with a red or burgundy leather interior.
Since 1990, I’ve driven new, large Cadillac sedans. When the lease expired on my 2019 CT6, there was no new large Cadillac sedan to lease, so I switched to the Genesis G90. The Genesis is a beautiful car that doesn’t break, but the price has grown to approx. $90K.
I think there is a market for a well produced CT6, but with more than 233 BHP. The quality will be a major issue.
I own an XTS and would upgrade to a CT6 if it were offered with the 3.0 CT5-V engine. If it was built in China I simply would never entertain the thought of buying one. I’d buy the 5 series BMW sedan.
As an owner of a Cadillac CT6 V Black Wing (the true and original Black Wing by the way) I just love this very rare and amazing car. With that said, there is no way GM will spend the dough to reintroduce the CT6 here in the USA. GM is like Disney. They are a for profit company. It simply doesn’t make financial sense. SUV’s and Crossovers have taken over the world. Cadillac would never sell enough CT6 vehicles to make a profit. When the CT6 was available in the US Cadillac did a lousy job of marketing the car. People barley knew about it or where it fit in. Cadillac had big plans when the CT6 was introduced. Proof was the development of the, 4.2 liter twin turbo Black Wing V8. Cadillac was even going further upmarket with the C8. Sadly the market had changed so much that the project was cancelled. They went ahead with the V8 because it had been certified and the tooling ordered. Luckily for us enthusiasts the CT6 V was introduced. It’s the rarest of all V Cadillacs by the way. It only lasted for two model years and then it was gone. To bad. It’s the best full size Cadillac ever produced. At least on gas. I like the styling of the Original CT6 better then the restyled car in China. They can keep it. Cheers!!!
This CT6 looks unimpressive. Its style reminds me of a cross between the last Chevy Impala & a Honda Accord. it has no presence.
I too would like the option of a large American-made sedan (currently own a Buick LaCrosse).
But made in North America, not China. sorry, that is how I roll.
We don’t drive sedans because they made them miserable to get in and out of. Plain and simple, no one wants their butt that close to the road.
I thought a >60″ tall sedan would be great, but Ford had a hard time selling its Five Hundred even before crossovers took over. Now sedans have taken the place that coupes had 30 years ago.
Somehow there is no business case for this car because they won’t sell 450,000,000,000 of them in the first year and GM can’t make money on it but somehow GM finds a way to make the Corvette in the US and “only” sell 30,000 of those Corvettes a year, a car with a 1-car only platform, built in a 1-car only plant and a car with a starting price of $65,000 and up but somehow that math doesn’t work when applied to any other car?
MrR:
If the CT6 sold as well as the Corvette (37K in 2022), it would still be in production here. As it was, the CT6 managed only 40K total over its entire 5 year run.
That, and the Corvette doesn’t need incentives to sell well. The CT6 was being discounted heavily almost from the beginning. I remember seeing $550 Leases Cadillac advertised in 2017. That represents heavy subsidies. Even the Blackwing. There were 3 at my dealer in late 2020 with $10K discounts in big red letters on the windshield.
Its always easier to quit and fail at everything…..
When you haven’t been a player in a market for 30-40 years you might need to offer some incentives to get people in the door, thats how it works, Lexus didn’t launch with an $50,000 luxury sedan, they choose to buy into the market with a $35,000 luxury sedan that was equivalent to the $50,000 ones…
By that reasoning, GM should immediately cease all electric car production….
GM doesn’t know what side of the bread the butter is on.
QLRP:
Yes it does.
Trucks, SUVs and Crossovers. GM sells tons of these. The market for large, luxury sedans has been contracting for years.
Yeah, they’re really blowing the doors off everyone, in some segments they are as high and 4th or 5th best sellers…..so proud.
I am a longtime Cadillac owner (starting in 1974). I tend not to trade often and own an Escalade and a DTS now. Wanted a CT-6V but waited to see how that twin-turbo V-8 worked out. They only built 1200 of them and while I really wanted one, could not talk myself into buying something that would have limited parts in the future. Im a “big comfortable car” buyer and Cadillac isnt building anything for me these days. Considering replacing the DTS with something from offshore thats big, comfortable with a powerful V8. My prediction for the future is that US car are going to find out that not many people want to own an electric car. That may change in the futute, but I dont think it will in the next 10-15 years.
Hi Ric I too am a long-term holder of Cadillacs – I own 6 – mostly V-series and including a 2020 CT6-V. I live in Italy and drive them here. And yes you are right that Cadillac does not build the floaters anymore – and the CT6-V is not a floater either. It is a big car in Italy with a length over 5 meters. But I love the top speed above 280 km/h (175 in funny money) and the AWD which is necessary at high speeds especially in the rain. And the rear wheel steering gives it poise on the twisties. The top speed is sufficient in Italy but, alas, not in Germany, where it gets regularly passed by cars going 300+. There was no reason why they could not have increased the top speed to 300+ and that is a shame but they had not intended to sell it in Europe and in the US sadly driving is too dangerous, the roads are too poorly built and maintained and the authorities have still not understood driving behavior enough to offer what Europe offers. The age of the V12, V8 and V6 is fast coming to an end and we are transitioning quickly to electrification. I am resigned but will stay in the ICE age as long as possible and will only move to electric when the range reaches that of ICE cars. I like to be able to drive 1000 km+ in a day and go through 3 countries or drive from Florence to Menton to eat bouillabaisse and be back in time for a Chianina steak in my hometown. This is still not possible with electric cars. And the top speeds rarely go much above 220-240 and in Europe that is not sufficient. Cheers
What do the other people that don’t have 186mph cars do? Not drive on the Autobahn?
Cute – Germany represents true automotive freedom. Cars of all types from a 40-year old East German Trabant toiling along at 78 km/h in the very far right lane [where he should be] to a Bugatti Chiron going by at 420 km/h and then moving itself back into the very far right lane [because the Germans know that the far left and middle lane on 3-lane highway are only for passing] demonstrate yet again why driving in Germany and pretty all of Europe is blissful if one enjoys driving. All cars and SUVs are welcome. German and Western European police and th entire road network are designed to treat drivers like adults and they drive like adults. The US system presumes we are children and the system is designed to assume that we are children. And so we act like children, throw temper tantrums and end up with road deaths that are 3x those in Germany, Italy, France, Denmark, the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands, Austria, Liechtenstein, Switzerland and Belgium.
Thank you. Why the California Highway Patrol won’t ticket cars going too slow in the left lane is a mystery to me. Before the Golden State haters speak up, I want you to know that the CHP aggressively enforces DUI and speed. Busting left-lane hogs would bring in revenue and improve traffic flow.
Now if we had more CT6-Vs out there…
There are two very irritating and inefficient traffic transgressions that state highway police and local police do not enforce which would make driving in all 50 states safer and much less stressful. Ticketing for not moving over to the right lane(s) on multi-lane highways and then not using indicators on all roads. American drivers think that turn signals are for other drivers to notice but in fact they are really more for pedestrians and cyclists. IF drivers do not indicate and I am trying to cross the street I never know whether that driver is intending to go straight or turn into my road as I cross it. All this massive hesitation both for other drivers and pedestrians and cyclists creates stress and inefficiencies that build up in the entire road network. But using turn signals is an indication that drivers are paying attention – and that is the point – they are not paying attention because in the US driving is not driving – it is an extension of home and office and that is why we have so many deaths.
You’re the one saying that 175mph “isn’t enough” for Germany and that this top speed and that top speed is not sufficient…..so I’m curious as to what someone would do.
Everything you’re writing post sounds like a fantasy anyway, but whatever, best of luck to you.
We also drive at least twice if not 3 times more miles than any of those countries mentioned as well.
Hello Mr R – It is not a fantasy just the reality of European driving. It explains why Europe drives automotive prestige – the roads and the driving influenced car engineering and car design. In the same that 90% of all luxury goods are European. This is what Europe does best. We do Amazon and Google – they do Ferrari, Hermes & Gucci. In response to your statement justifying the roadkill in America your statistic is not quite accurate. In 2022 there were 2,782 road deaths in Germany and Germans drove an avg of 13,602 km that year. In the US the equivalent numbers were 42,795 road deaths and Americans drove an avg of 21,668 km that year. So Americans drive on avg 60% more kilometers than Germans. So if you gross up the 2,782 road deaths in Germany by 60% you reach 4,456 road deaths on an apples to apples comparison with the US. So the statistics are even more shocking – a country with some of the most soporific speed limits in the Western world still manages to kill 8.6x more drivers, passengers, pedestrians and cyclists than the only country where most of its highway network has no speed limit – Germany. So clearly we are doing something terribly wrong in the US but no one seems to care. I am very aware of it when I do drive in the US – I find the inattentiveness to driving motorised weapons shocking and I cant wait to leave and come back to the relative safety of driving in Europe. At the end I can only quote Enzo Ferrari who said ‘I don’t understand why Americans buy my cars since they can’t drive them’. If i were to come back and live Stateside again, I would buy a small Buick SUV because if I were to buy anything fancier I would feel like a poseur. What is the point of a Corvette that goes 300 km+ in a country where you cannot drive that speed?
Actually I realised my statistics were also not accurate – I forgot to gross up the population differences also – Germany has 83 million and the US has 338 million in 2022 or 4x. So grossing up the 4,456 road deaths at the same avg distance driven would bring total deaths in Germany to 17,824 vs 42,795 in the US. So the US is 2.5x more dangerous than Germany and not 8.6x as a I wrote up above – mea culpa. And on avg I had previously stated that road deaths in the US are 2-3x higher than Western Europe. I believe Sweden has the best road safety in Europe. What is really sad is that when I grew up in Europe as a child I remember that Europe was 3x more dangerous than driving in the US (60s and 70s). So what happened – how did we flip from being the safest country in the world in which to drive to being among the most dangerous? That is for another discussion. As someone who has driven extensively in the US and throughout Europe there are many obvious culprits which I will be happy to elucidate on if anyone has any curiosity.
Loved the CT6 ( lease) then went to a CT5 ( big mistake) it goes back in January 2024…I’m done with Cadillac….it sickens me to even think Cadillac doesn’t have a full size sedan, no choice but to take business elsewhere.
You aint the only one Frank. Actually my next car is the Audi RS6 Avant – the station wagon which ironically is also the most desired car among Italians – yes Italians prefer the V8 Audi station wagon to their own homegrown and home-built Ferraris, Lambos, Zondas, Alfas, and Maseratis. I agree with them. The Audi wagon can do it all – carry the kids, the luggage and the bikes, go to the Dolomites in deepest darkest snowy winter, drive 300+ on German highways, meander along the Cote d’Azur in France and all for $150,000 give or take.
CT6 is a beautiful, phenomenal car and an outstanding value – love mine, a 2016 V6. Still going strong without issue. I unhesitatingly would purchase a new one, even if only modest changes. Thinking in advance that I will eventually have to replace it, none of the large sedan alternative choices excite me – expensive, hard to maintain, or dull, and even all the above. From purely a business perspective, I think it would be a great move for GM to resume selling them in the US.
Cadillac needs an ICE luxury car in the US. The CT6 is just about right and needs a competitive priced Premium model with the CT4-V Black-wing as the base for 2wd and CT4-V for the 4wd. If it offered a Hybrid the E-Ray approach might make sense eventually evolving into all electric after 4 or 5 model years. Limited production with forced list price maximum for dealers and 1 year ownership to maintain the warrantee. I am not sure about any of the V8’s initially but could be wrong. Even though the 2.7 4 and other 4s are really good it just doesn’t work well with the luxury car mentality as an initial offering.
I’m in total agreement on Cadillac bringing back and updating the CT6. I love mine – a 2016 6 cyl with 60K and it runs better than ever. But I know a time will approach in the next 3 years to buy a new car. I’ve been looking at alternative makes and am quite disheartened- there’s nothing like a CT6.
I think they should build it to be sold in the USA. I would definitely be interested.
Building expressed interest like this should get GM’s attention. Would be great if they brought back the CT6 – and great for GM too.
I currently own a 2018 CT6, 3.0 TT. As i am a larger man I prefer a larger car that is comfortable to operate, and has a bit of power, and the CT6 meets those requirement’s very well. I think it is a great car. The only Cadi I liked better was my 2007 STSV. I have only owned Cadillacs, (with the exception of a 98 Vette, as a gift to myself and which I still have) since the late 1980’s. My first Cadi was a 87 Fleetwood D’elegance. I have driven the CT5 and it is a nice enough car, but not for me. So when it comes time to replace the CT6, if GM doesn’t have a comparable option to my current vehicle I will be having a serious look at the Genesis G90. My friend purchased one about the same time as I bought my CT6 and the specs were very comparable and the reviews on the G90 were excellent. So GM, my advice is, sell the cars people want to buy. This is my opinion anyway.
G90 is greatly reviewed. But dealer support is evidently terrible. That’s a non starter for me
Hello Rick, Ian, Frank & Carl – You are all right in wanting to see an updated CT6. I do too. I own a CT6 – the V and I have it in Italy so also manage to drive it at its top speed of 281 km/h or 175 in funny money (it does not go 200 like some of the US advertising copy said that it did – naughty naughty). I also have an STS-V and two European homologation CTS-Vs – a V2 and V3 – a 2013 and a 2018. The V3 has a top speed of 323 km/h or 200 in funny money and yes, I have reached that speed every time I drive in Germany. But the European homologation explains why we will never see GM import the China car to the US. There are two automotive safety standards in the world – ours which is called MVSS and the rest of the world which is called UNECE – China follows UNECE and that means that there are probably anywhere from 100-300 differences between a car built to UNECE standards vs MVSS. And sadly for us the UNECE standards are better and it also means that when any auto manufactuer builds cars and SUVs for the world they need 3 assembly lines – a LHD UNECE; a RHD UNECE and a LHD MVSS. Some of the differences are visible but most are not and a related to the chassis and frame. Lets just say that the UNECE standards create a better and safer cage for occupant protection – but lets just talk about the visible differences. UNECE cars get rear fog lights; hood explosives for pedestrian protection; amber turn signals; an icon for brake rather than ‘brake’on the IP; intelligent headlamps; ability to flick the turn signal when the engine is off to allow front and rear parking lights to turn on only on the one side (for safer double parking which is very common in Europe) and headlamp washers. So the cost for GM to create an MVSS assembly line in China to make cars only for the US, Canada and Mexico is not worth the price so will not happen. You can blame fellow Americans for preferring bloated, ugly and poorly handling SUVs over sleek sedans. Ad ironically most of these SUVs are either RWD or FWD and not AWD which kind of defeats the purpose. But what do I know. I too have an Escalade but I use it to go to the Dolomites for skiing, mountain climbing and cycling with my Thule bike rack hanging off the rear bumper.
Good to know. I noticed Europe likes SUVs and CUVs also–any differences in those across the pond?
SUV’s & Crossovers are way to big for European roads and where to park in a city?
Great info Mark, and thank you! The differing safety standards throughout the world is fascinating, and confounding as well. It certainly explains why we’ll never see the CT6 coming from China. In that respect, appears we’ll never see the CT6 again.
I’ve been exploring alternative choices for months. Appears like the 2025 new BMW 5 Series is the best choice – a fantastic update, albeit at a higher price point. Will be interesting to see the reviews when the car is released.
Hi Lurch Let me put it this way – a Cadillac XT4 is a big SUV in Europe! Renault has 3 CUVs Rafale, Arkana & Scenic – none of these 3 is sold in the US – they are too small. In fact I can’t think of any European CUV that is sold here. Of the European brands what is sold here is made here: BMW Xs and MB SUVs – made in Tennessee and Alabama I think. But what is made in the US is sold in Europe and around the world – and as mentioned above they run 3 batches: RHD UNECE; LHD UNECE and LHD MVSS for us. But these SUVs are in strong demand around the world but what is different is that in the US we will get the V6 and V8 gasoline engines whilst the Euros get the V6 diesels because we pay €2.20/litre for 101 Octane gasoline. I am sure that you can work it out in USD/gallon. Make sure you don’t use the Imperial gallon – that is another size entirely but is what they use in the UK along with ‘stone’ to measure a person’s weight!! But the Europeans really love station wagons and I know for a fact that the car that Italians most fantasize about is certainly not a Ferrari, Zonda, Lambo or Maserati – they fancy an Audi RS6! I do too for that matter.
I believe we made a mistake in turning away from station wagons.
Our smallest SUVs or crossovers tend to be Korean: Hyundai Venue, Kia Seltos and Soul. American brands include the Chevy Trax and the Dodge Hornet, which has an Alfa Romeo twin. The India-built Ford EcoSport is no more. From the Japanese we have the Toyota C-HR, Honda HRV, Mazda CX-30, with a defunct Nissan Rogue Sport (Qashqai elsewhere) now gone.
Hi Stephen It is a bit of a misperception that you cannot park these beasts in Europe. After all, European vans are all wider and longer than the largest US SUVs – but somehow in our minds’ eyes, we perceive that a vehicle for a family should not be as big – just a misperception. Europe is full of 18-wheelers delivering goods up and down and east and west on the continent. And 18 wheelers drive down 95% of all Parisian and Roman roads.
Lived in UK, yes semi trucks mostly on the M1 roads in. Routes. Main streets parking spaces. Our former Chevy Cruise/ Ford Focus are large cars that fit parking spaces. Yes there are Chevrolet Impala’s, Ford Mondeo (U.S. Fusion), BMW 5, 6, 7, 8 series, MB E, S classe series, Audi 6, 7, 8 series, Volvo S90/T90 & large cars from Asian countries. To drive a big car in the UK one has to be a creative Parker, as large vehicles are usually parked with passenger side of the Car parked on the top pf curb or into sidewalk so they don’t stick out in traffic & need for two parking spaces for length.
Hi Stephen – I too lived in Blighty for 25 years and yes parking bays in the UK are obviously smaller than in the USA. But Britons are good drivers and park efficiently while taking care to not try and bother their neighbors and fellow parkers. What I always found amusing was that in Japan it is prestigious to drive LHD cars – those who buy luxury cars [that includes Cadillacs and Corvettes] they dont want RHD, they want LHD. In the UK on the other hand, they only want what they call UK-spec which specifically means that on their V5 document (the title) it specifically says UK-spec. The only difference between UK-spec and Euro-spec is RHD (if offered) and the rear fog light is on the right instead of the left and the speedometer is still in imperial measurements even though the rest of the instrumentation is metric as is the country.
UK much better (courteous) at sharing roads than in the U.S.A. Friends from Sheffield came over for the visit and were terrified in multiple lanes highways and interstates, people passing on all sides.
Hi Lurch – I agree with you. But it just shows how easily consumers are influenced. I have one large Cadillac SUV but as I said I use it for duty in the Dolomites (dont go to the Swiss, French or Austrian Alps because the food is much better in the Dolomites). But when I came back Stateside I go to Miami. I just shake my head at the bizarre view of so many CUVs and SUVs in a state as flat as a pancake with all-year-round warm weather. And then when we get the occasional heavy rain that leads to street flooding you would think that drivers would use that as an opportunity to show off their SUVs’ AWD capabilities. No – you get drivers frozen by fear and unable to drive at a normal rate of speed through the water – they just stop. So again, what is the point of buying these ponderous, heavy, gaz guzzling and basically inelegant vehicles? Like I said, people are too easily influenced by misinformation and social pressure. Weird eh!
I couldn’t agree with you more. Four-wheel-drive for conquering parking lots? I live in an urban area and love my compact. It’s a hatchback, so I can just fold down the back seat for a larger load.
Most people can get by with less. They just buy into the fantasy of rugged individualism. As you said, rugged they aren’t.
Hi Lurch – yes you nailed it. We think we are rugged individualists but we go crying to our state and the Federal government to solve all our problems and then we complain and get angry when they do not. Rugged individualism is just a fantasy salved by driving a big nasty SUV. We do overconsume in the US and then we get to old age and we don’t have enough money saved up for retirement because we spent our lives buying unneeded junk. Europeans don’t like consumption taxes (VAT) any more than Americans would (sales tax being a weak equivalent) but it does constrain their ability to spend spend spend. VAT taxes range from 17.5% in Germany to 25% in Denmark. Plus Denmark has an additional 150% tax on cars. Yes you read that correctly which explains why you see ZERO luxury cars in Denmark. I once went up to a Dane in Monaco who had just gotten out of his brand new Ferrari with Danish license plates and before I could ask, he said, ‘Yes I paid the tax in Denmark which made that $250,000 list price $781,000 in Denmark.
IAN:
Why did you not like the CT5?
So spoiled by all the CT6 virtues that a smaller immitation just doesn’t work?
What are you particular annoyances with the CT5?
Comments from any others on the CT5 welcome!
Hi Rick B I find it strange that Cadillac offers the CT4 and CT5 and drops the CT6 – BMW sells a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7-series lines of cars around the world and Cadillac can barely make 2 lines – 4 & 5. And now have decided to go back to word nomenclature so there is no way for customers and potential customers to figure out whether the Celestiq is a higher end auto than the Lyriq. And when they change cars they will have to rev up a whole new advertising campaign to explain to global buyers what the new car is. BMW, MB, Audi and Tesla are much smarter – they give their cars numbers that tell all of us where the rank in terms of price, size and performance. I prefer the design of the CT4 because I don’t like that 1/2 sedan 1/2 fast back look on the CT5 – I think that seriously damaged its luxury credentials – it looks like a cheap Honda. Performance wise I like the Blackwing but I already have the original Blackwing, plus a V3 CTS-V and a V2 CTS-V. The CT5 does not really fit anywhere in my portfolio. I will be buying a Z06 Corvette next after I hopefully take delivery of a Camaro ZL1 – not sure though I got it – if not Ill have to buy a used one or 2023 still at a dealer. I never buy cars off dealer lots because I have very specific options that I insist on and those combinations are rarely put together by the manufacturer’s algorithm.
It’s not that I didn’t like the CT5, it is simply not a car I enjoy as much as my CT6. So yes, I guess i am spoiled. The ride in the CT6 is so much more comfortable and I enjoy the extra room in the cabin, especially for the rear seat passengers. This is one car that I have never had a person in the back ask me to move my seat up so their feet don’t get crushed. This is the first non 8 cylinder I have ever owned and I was worried about a 6 banger. This 3.0 litre with twin turbos turns out 402 hp, and it is very acceptable. I will not be one of the people buying another CT6 if it only comes with a 4 banger, that is simply a bridge too far for me. I am also with the people here that much prefer the car be built in the States, Since I am a CanadianI would like the car to be built in North America. the cars built in North America mutually benefit both countries, BTW the C8 Vette tranny is being built here in my home town of, St. catharines. I also have a deposit down for a C8, Hopefully I can get one of those in the next year or so. Once again this is just one mans opinion. have a great day everyone.
Hi Ian I agree 100% with you. The CT5 is too small and quite frankly looks funny with that half sedan/half fast-back look – neither fish nor fowl – like its size. And I agree that CT6 3.0 should be built in NA but, sadly, there is not enough demand from us old men! The only benefit if the car comes from China is that the quality and fit and finish is higher. Americans (and maybe even Canadians) are not very picky about their quality standards. We see that in our homes where we prefer size to quality – and we see that in our cars. Lets face it – all the luxury car makers (the top end) all come from Europe – Bentley, Rolls, AM, BMW, MB, Maserati, Zonda, Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini and maybe even Alfa. So rich Americans gravitate towards these brands simply to impress their friends and neighbors since they can’t really drive them the way they have been engineered to be driven. But I can tell from personal experience that Cadillac’s V-series cars and the Corvette and Camaro are phenomenal performers in Europe – so so much fun to drive and onlookers are always impressed.
After close to 50 years, I have bought a non-Cadillac as I got tired of waiting for a large, comfortable powerful sedan. Recently bought a Genesis G90 Ultimate. When people who know I am a Cadillac-guy ask, I tell them that this was the car that Cadillac should have built, but didn’t. Mr fear is that the government in cahoots with the car industry has forced the US manufacturers into building cars that not many people want; I.E. electric cars. It will probably kill off part of US manufacturing in the long run…
Paladin –
Well said regarding the Govt pressuring and the US auto industry caving. Or, the US auto industry simply bought into its EV narrative. In either case, US automakers will soon hit a wall where EV demand dries up. This, on top of complete mismanagement of the UAW strike speak poorly of leadership. They spent $10 billion on stock buybacks when profits soared, instead of creating a reserve to ride out the possibility of an extended strike. Plus the buybacks were a terrible “fat cat” visual that the UAW pounced on. Now the execs are seeking a line of credit to slog through the strike. Brilliant. I say all this, b/c if they can do all that, they can certainly mismanage their Cadillac brand, which they’ve done masterfully. I love my CT6 but will be purchasing a different vehicle upon replacement
And agreed on your Genesis purchase – appears to be a great car. But I’m staying away b/c of poor dealership support reports.
hI Rick B & Paladin – As an ex-corp finance guy and equity trader I agree that it is and continues to be disgraceful that corporate American continues to engage in buybacks rather than put funds away for a rainy day. I also believe that after 40 years of the average blue collar worker getting the short end of the stick this is finally over. Anyone under 45 has never seen interest rates rise so quickly in such a short time and we are probably going back to a period that I remember when I was in my twenties – inflation was higher; wages were higher (even real wages were higher) and overall we had a much fairer distribution of wealth in America. It had gotten obscene and it is good to see the pendulum swing back.
As for the EV narrative it is not – It is real and climate change is real (this from a guy with a garage full of V8s) . By 2030-35 all the cars sold will be EVs-only here, in Europe and in China. Prices will come down; range will be extended and the infrastructure will get much better. It will probably also lead to a reduction in auto workers but that is the technological progress and all I would say to these men and women is to make sure that their childrern have the funds to go to an excellent university and also hopefully get a masters or PhD – because the arrival of EV is one thing – the arrival of AI is at an entirely different level. I tell my kids – ‘ do you want to tell the machines what to do or do you want them to tell you what to do?’
Climate change may be real, but the there has been an over the top, too much too fast intrusion by the government, which will lead to all kinds of major problems. Pragmatism is becoming an extinct word. The US auto industry has put itself in jeopardy as a result.
Hi Rick I understand your concerns but on a relative basis the US is a real laggard in adjusting and fighting climate change. Europe, with the world’s largest economy (as a combined unit of 27 countries] is much further ahead and will be putting on a border carbon tax from next year and imports from the US will be taxed to compensate for the fact that our energy inputs to make those units are lower than theirs – it is called CBAM and you can look it up.
What I am saying is this is a global movement and we have to do our part. Since as a country we refuse to raise the tax on gasoline and other energy inefficient outputs the cost will be paid in a different way. So it is not really the US Government putting these taxes on – it is our economic partners. Furthermore on a per capita basis we are the most energy wasteful country in the world but we refuse to pay the externalities of this voracious waste. In Europe gasoline costs $9.00/gallon give or take – you bet it leads to more efficient and smaller cars and less driving. And the costs to heat a home and electricity and natural gas or all much higher and yet, in Western Europe, their living standards are higher than ours and their worker productivity tends to also be higher – so what gives? Sometimes being forced to become energy efficient concentrates the minds of engineers and CEOs to do better. NOAA reported last Friday that September 2023 was the hottest September on record – we are fast hurtling towards 2c of heating which most climate scientists tell us is the point of no return. Far from being too fast we have been way to lethargic and as you can imagine climate change has to be solved by the world working together. We are all in this together and the winners will be those who are at the forefront like Tesla. If GM and Ford can’t keep up that is their problem – but the world is not waiting around for them to get on point. Motor City is fast approaching its own Kodak moment.
My comments are showing up in one place and not the other?
Cadillac needs an ICE luxury car in the US. The CT6 is just about right and needs a competitive priced Premium model with the CT4-V Black-wing as the base for 2wd and CT5-V for the 4wd. If it offered a Hybrid the E-Ray approach might make sense eventually evolving into all electric after 4 or 5 model years. Limited production with forced list price maximum for dealers and 1 year ownership to maintain the warrantee. I am not sure about any of the V8’s initially but could be wrong. Even though the 2.7 4 and other 4s are really good it just doesn’t work well with the luxury car mentality as an initial offering.
CT4V-Blackwing engine=472HP 3.6L Twin Turbo V6, CT5V Engine = 360HP 3.0L Twin Turbo V6 available in AWD
MPR
The data on US vs European productivity varies. For years the US has exceeded Europe – by 16% from one recent source. Other sources show the gap closing, but the US is still ahead.
Energy approaches in both regions differ drastically primarily b/c the US has huge energy sources, but suppressed since ‘21. Without energy independence, Europe naturally is inclined to pay more and conserve more. And geopolitically their dependency has caused them to be extremely vulnerable. Witness Germany’s gas pipeline to Russia that has been stopped.
So Europe can be cited as leading edge on climate change, but it is coincidental to their energy dependency. Also, their footprint and driving range needs are much different.
As to a climate change tipping point, that is too inflammatory an issue for this column. People here want to talk about Cadillacs and alternative choices to them.
Hi Rick Yes you are right- lets bring the focus back to Cadillac. Cadillac is switching its entire range of cars & SUVs over to electrification by 2030 or 6 short model years from now. That is a fact. Now why has this appeared to many to be too fast too soon? I don’t know and one can still easily by an ICE car and ICE SUV for 6 more years. The US Government issued an executive order in 2021 that by 2035 all cars, trucks and SUVs need to be zero-emission vehicles. Fact°2. All other car manufacturers around the world and especially in Europe and China have also agreed to switch over to zero-emission vehicles between 2030 and 2035 – Fact °3. Why are we all doing this? Because the world is facing a climate emergency. Don’t believe me – believe your own eyes, believe NOAA, believe NASA, believe 99% of all climate scientists, believe the UN’s IPCC, believe the Paris Agreement; believe ESSD Copernicus – these are all based on hard data and are this is fact°4. Now we can have feelings, emotions, subjective perceptions; denialism and become inflamed but the facts remain the facts and this is why Cadillac (and GM) which is made up of engineers, and MBAs and PhDs have also agreed to follow the facts and are reducing to zero their carbon emissions coming from their cars and SUVs. Energy dependence is not driving Europe to embrace facts. Facts are driving Europe to accelerate their reduction of greenhouse gases. Norway, one of the largest exporters of oil and gas in the world, also has the highest percentage of electric and PHEV car fleets in the world -88% according to the facts from last year. Norway is Tesla’s biggest market on a percentage basis. We Americans just have to look at the facts and the facts will drive us to embrace electrification as it has in Europe and China. Why are we always behind? We used to be at the front and now we bring up the rear?
Maybe if we send more folks in private jets and limousine motorcades to discuss this in 5 star hotels we should have this whole climate crisis nicked in no time and they can all return to their beachfront estates and consume meat.
MPR
You brought the focus back to Cadillac then promptly pivoted back to Climate change – quicker than a Blackwing. I understand your passion on this issue, with a meaningful excuse to bring it up,but this platform isn’t meant for political editorializing.
Not at all. As I mentioned previously I have 6 Cadillacs (all V8s) in my garage in Italy. I wish this issue were not around but this issue of climate emergency is revolutionizing our transportation and it has been brought up in this platform as a reason why Americans are not buying electric Cadillacs. Writers on this platform are complaining that our government is pushing this issue for nefarious reasons and since I want to keep this platform fact-based on all things Cadillac I am just responding to the inaccuracies and the facts-based inevitablity of the switch. This is not political editorializing and what is interesting is that you think that it is. That is political editorializing.
Whoever parrots the most WEF NWO Klaus Schawb talking points gets a free bag of fried grasshoppers……
Hey Ole’ Blue Eyes – as Rick B says let keep this focussed on cars and Cadillacs – and not conspirarcy theories. The WEF is a gab fest that has been around since 1971 but I see that with certain peeps it somehow has become connected with one or more conspiracy theories. Which is kind of bizarre as my wife attends the event in Davos most years and it is simply a great networking event. And I did not mention the WEF in my list of serious and factual agencies that are frightened by the climat emergency we are having and how this climate emergency is impacting our favorite mode of transportation – cars and specifically Cadillacs. So if you want to figure out next steps do yourself a favor and stop reading fiction and start understanding the facts.
Congratulations, do you want your fired grasshoppers nacho cheese or cool ranch?
We’ll strip mine and slave labor ourselves out of this in no time, all we need is Prince Charles to lecture us from one of his seven castles and we’ll have the serfs back where they belong in a generation or two.
That pesky personal freedom and mobility thing gave them too much power and freedom and we really can’t have that can we.
I didn’t see your wife at the previous WEF conference, no doubt I’m sure she’s supermodel brain surgeon jet fighter pilot with a honey pie that cures cancer too. I didn’t attend the WEF this year I was at a bbq for the Illuminati and Freemasons at the Bohemian Grove……we had Hawaiian food, it was great.
One of the options that the CT6 in China could use is a fridge in the back shelf to hold a bag of fried grasshoppers – they like those delicacies in China much more than we do. Sadly as we have discussed on this platform we won’t see the V2 CT6 or its fried grasshopper-holding fridge. So let me tell you a tale about my CT6-V. From what I can see there were only 2 CT6-Vs brought to Europe – one was bought by my friend and his was a 2019 and mine was a 2020. Why the division of years? Because I asked the dealer to order my car as late as possible since I did not need it at the time. So by coincidence his was a 2019 and mine is a 2020. Now why is this important? As my friend’s had to get the single type approval through GM in Germany and that took 2 years because of Covid – they had to change the turn signals in the rear and make them amber and had to fiddle with the exhaust and the noise to get it to pass EU emissions and noise bypass regs. All of this could only be done by Cadillac Europe because the days of dealers or tuners fiddling with the OBD are finished – these are all locked down and cannot be touched. So no sooner did he get his car that his driver took it out on the highway and was shocked to see it limited to a pathetic 241 km/h (150 in funny money). We called GM and asked what was going on and they did not know – they did not know that the 2019 had been speed limited to 150 mph!!!! Why? Because no buyer in the US had maxed out the car. It took an Italian in Italy to do that and needless to say my friend was annoyed especially since the advertising copy in the US bragged about the car being able to reach 200!!! It was reversed in 2020. Luckily for me, on the 2020 the speed limiter was raised to 281 km/h or 175 in funny money. Serious sports sedans should all be able to go 300 km/h or more. That is the world standard which in funny money is the weird and well known 186 mph. But alas mine only gets to 280 give or take, 20 km below the metric. This is a problem in Germany and it is irritating when Bentleys and Porsches and AMGs and RSs and Ms (all the sedans and station wagons) can easily go by our favorite sedan.
Now why are there only two of these cars that have been single vehicle type-approved for homologation in Europe? Yet again this takes us back to CO2 emissions. Europe has now officially locked down any importation of cars that spew more than 370 g/km of CO2. So we will not be seeing the Escalade V in Europe but we will see all the new electric Cadillacs and Cadillac might do very well in Europe.
MPR
What is even more amusing is that you believe your rants are not politically editorializing.
Sure, you offer a few facts that support your beliefs, but there is a “final word” conclusive tone. It’s dressed up snark – and that invites snarkish replies, which I see you’re already getting.
When facts collide with fantasy the fantasists feel uncomfortable and have to lash out because they are not used to having their bubble pierced.
Fantasy is a great description of this entire discussion.