2024 Chevy Silverado EV Work Truck Uprated To 450 Mile Range: Breaking
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When GM first announced the 2024 Chevy Silverado EV, it expected Chevy’s very first electric pickup truck to achieve a driving range of 400 miles from a full charge on Work Truck (WT) and RST trims. But now, the official numbers from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) are in, and they’re more impressive than GM’s initial figures. Indeed, the EPA estimates that the 2024 Silverado EV 4WT will deliver an estimated 450 miles of range from a full charge.
It’s important to note that these range figures are based on ideal conditions, and may vary based on factors like weather, driving habits, and payload. Regardless, the EPA’s official estimate means that the Silverado EV WT will have a range that’s over 100 miles higher than that of its closest competitor currently on sale. That would be the Ford F-150 Lightning, which has an EPA-estimated driving range of 320 miles from a single charge. That’s a difference of (a not so insignificant) 130 miles.
GM says that “extensive development and testing” enabled engineers to go above and beyond the initial range expectations. This impressive range is paired with the ability to charge at 350 kW, making the Silverado EV WT very attractive to fleet customers.
The 2024 Chevy Silverado EV 3WT and 4WT – the first Silverado EV models to be built starting this spring exclusively for fleet customers – respectively utilize 20- and 24-module battery packs that powers a motor on the front axle and another on the rear axle. Total system output is 510 horsepower. The Silverado EV 3WT will deliver a GM-estimated 350 miles of range on a full charge.
For the sake of comparison, the GMC Hummer EV Pickup – the only other Ultium-based vehicle to utilize the 24-module battery pack – has a maximum range of 329 miles on a full charge.
As a reminder, the 2024 Silverado EV rides on the narrow-body variant of the GM BT1 platform, which is also utilized by the GMC Sierra EV. Meanwhile, the GMC Hummer EV Pickup and GMC Hummer EV SUV ride on the wide-body variant of the same vehicle platform. Note that the BT1 architecture shares nothing with the GM T1 platform, which underpins the internal combustion Silverado and Sierra pickups.
As mentioned earlier, motivation for the Silverado EV is provided by GM Ultium batteries paired with GM Ultium Drive motors.
Pricing for the Silverado EV 3WT and 4WT starts at $74,800 and $79,800, respectively, and production will soon begin at the GM Factory Zero plant (née GM Detroit-Hamtramck plant), and will eventually follow suit at the GM Lake Orion plant. GM tells us that it’s on track to deliver the first Silverado EV WT units to commercial customers this spring, putting the all-new electric pickup into the toughest use cases first. Meanwhile, the Silverado EV RST First Edition will go into production this fall for retail customers.
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No thanks. I will stick with my diesel Suburban and it’s 700+ miles of range per 28 gallon tank.
As a work truck (fleet) you normally have no need drive 400 miles a day. People buying these know exactly how much they’ll be driven and know they’ll save money over a 28 gallon diesel Suburban.
Fleet owners will buy whatever saves them the most money and does the job they need it for. It’s as simple as that.
Yeah but it takes a long time to make back the difference in the upfront purchase price, $45k vs $75k. Probably never break even. $30k will buy a lot of liquid fuel.
Average truck price in the US is like $60k.
Not too difficult to make up $12k in fuel savings and maintenance over the life of the vehicle.
The article says the EV is a WT. An ICE WT starts at $38k. I can nearly buy two ICE WT’s for the price of one EV, will never break even.
That is the 3WT version, they are releasing a 2WT and regular WT which will all be much cheaper. You aren’t comparing apples to apples.
So enlighten us, what’s the WT price?
If it’s not out yet, this is the only comparison we can go by. Going by how Ford jacked up the F150 Lightning intro price trim by nearly $20K in less than two years, an intro trim price EV truck is still going to be significantly more expensive than an intro trim ICE truck.
Commonsense, or lack thereof, it’s 72K for a 1WT stripped down with 320 miles range. Businesses are looking for a beater that they can trash for 5 years and unload, so the buy WT’s, and try to negotiate bulk discounts. A city or plant will purchase 10-15 WT’s at a time and negotiate them down to 35K. After 5-10 years, they unload them for 10-15K. They’re looking to spend 15-20K per vehicle. We all know EV resale isn’t nearly as high as it needs to be. From a business perspective, EV’s costs 3X as much.
Also, GM looses money on each EV they sell. As does everyone else including Tesla, who makes their money off carbon credits. This 72K monstrosity doesn’t produce profits compared to that ICE at 35K
GM has said very clearly the Ultium EV have positive margins from day one. So no, they do not lose money on every EV they sell.
This is, in part, why they are starting with higher priced trims to start.
And you don’t think the owners and executives of businesses don’t want the fancy trucks to drive around in?
And GM has never fibbed on numbers lol. GM doesn’t make money on EVS currently. The ultium platform is more cost effective then what underpins the Bolt, but still not profitable enough to eliminate the ICE options. Evidence? GM is still dumping R&D money into upgrading and developing new ICE vehicles. Why? ICE is still where the profits are.
Bingo. If anything, ICE suppliers are desperate to keep the business and willing to sacrifice their margin. Competition is good after all!
So how long does a battery last and how much does it cost to replace it? And what happens if you run out of charge on the road?
Batteries are expected to last longer than the life of the vehicle… battery degradation is small but dependent on how hard you abuse it.
Battery replacement costs will depend on several factors…. module replacement or full pack, referb or all new.
Ultium batteries are designed to be worked on so it should be considerably cheaper than current batteries on the market.
Bull. Vehicle life should be 10-20 years or longer. New vehicles with significant improvements to rust should net you 30 years on the body. Battery live depends on lots of things and how “depleted” is acceptable. If you baby your battery, don’t run it all the way empty and can live with only 50 miles of range, you might get 20 years out of it if you live in California. If your in the Midwest, forget it it. After 10 years, yeah, it will be usable, but will only have about 20% of its original battery life. Degration is nonlinear as it goes down slowly at first, but as the rest of the battery degrades, the additional strain increases rate of degradation.
Exspect a normal EV being driven normally to last 5-8 years before needing to be replaced. Hence BEV resale values being atrocious.
Yes this compares to the 10-20 years for an ICE motor/transmission, and if you baby them like you would the BEV that goes 20 years on the original battery your talking 30-40 years and 500,000miles
Your 5-8 year claim is baloney.
Warranties are 8 to 10 years. And Current data shows they will last well beyond warranty periods.
Sounds like someone has drank the anti EV FUD Kool-Aid.
Given the many years experience with previous EV‘s, the battery will likely outlast the truck, still yielding 80 to 90% of its range after 10 years, and then be able to serve as a static stationary power storage for solar and wind generated electricity or 100% recycled. My guess is you will replace batteries less often than you replace Internal combustion engines and transmissions.
“🙄🤨🤦♂️” says all those people why drive a hybrid and are on their 2nd and 3rd battery but the original motor.
Pray prophesy dear wizard on the lifespan of tech that’s been on the market for little more than a decade with Tesla, (and not reliably might I put) and less so with GM
So how long does a battery last and how much does it cost to replace it?
Wii that ev work truck pull my 7000lb work trailer 450 miles and can it be refueled to 100 percent in 10 minutes and back on the road. Show me some real world testing comparisons
Not my experience with Lyriq. Fast charging severely drops after 80%
That’s typical for EV batteries, and for long trips, you just stop at 80% and go. Faster than waiting for the last 20% to fill.
Doesn’t charging the last 20% severely affect the battery life? My neighbor charges his Tesla only to 80% unless he has to drive longer distances.
My 3.0 Duramax gets topped up every 550 miles and I will never switch
I agree, Chevymike. Somebody said that you could tow a trailer and only stop every 3-4 hours with an EV truck. I think that you would be more likely to stop every 1 1/2-2 hours and then sit for a lot longer than the 5 minutes it takes to fill my Diesel 1500. Besides, I can drive 10-11 hours (if I want to go that far) without stopping to fuel up. It isn’t cheap to charge a 140 kWh battery at a public charging station at $.28-$.30/ kWh. If you have to charge twice during a 600 mile drive (something you and I can do with one fill up) you’ll spend at least 30-45 minutes each stop with an EV and pay about $70.00 total for juice. It will cost, at todays prices, about $71.00 to fill my 1500 after the same distance. Not sure where the savings is on a long road trip.
It will tow your trailer as far as you want. You just have to stop to charge every 3-4 hours. Time it with a bathroom break, stretch of the legs and get some coffee or snacks, and get back in and go.
Charging an EV is not filling a tank. You don’t need to stand by the vehicle huffing gas fumes. Just plug-in and go use the restroom or get your snacks.
@fireman591
Not to be that guy but what does you not getting rid of your Suburban (SUV) have anything to with this thread that the the new BEV Silverado (Pickup Truck) gets 450 miles per charge?
And I will count my extra money saved from fuel cost along with maintenance! And definitely will not miss those horrible diesel fumes from the exhaust!
Horrible diesel fumes are basically a relic of the past. Now that you mentioned this, I just realized that I have yet to notice ANY diesel fumes from my 24′ GMC HD Duramax. Diesel’s have been dramatically cleaned up over the years. I definitely could still detect a small amount of diesel ‘fumes’ from my 2007 Duramax, but even then, that was dramatically reduced from say the 1990’s.
Not my experience. Can’t stand when a diesel goes by. Dang they stink!
Then stop smoking weed in your car
Let’s just ignore towing a 3500 lb travel trailer range.
Most travel trailers weigh almost twice that much.
Hence the WT designation not Denali. Geared towards short haul operators, contractors( esp in Cali where gasoline is expected to top 7$ this summer)not for the guy with a 5000 pound boat, or horse trailer.
Let’s not forget those folks who live in places where there is winter. That will cause a range reduction of quite a bit. Figure stopping at least a few times if you hook up that 8,000 pound boat, too. I agree with one of the other posters, I’ll keep my 1500 diesel with my 700+ mile range not towing and almost 500 with the travel trailer in tow. EV’s may have a purpose if you live in the city and never leave, but they will never be good for long road trips. It’s just another way to control the population and how, when and where they go.
Then this isn’t the truck for you. It’s as easy as that. For others this might be the perfect truck.
GM’s Ultium vehicles use a Heat Pump so range will not be as impacted as older EVs in the cold.
And what powers the heat pump? There’s still no free lunch.
You have just illustrated you are not conversant with them.
I guess it’s just my 40 years of Mecham’s engineering showing.
If you want to pull rank ok. But you never provide the slightest specifics in your comments.
A heat pump in a car having a coefficient of performance of 3 will use 1/3 Rd the battery of a resistance heater.
Electricity in a moving vehicle is at a premium and very dear.
Incidentally I have refrigeration experience and have received an ‘A’ in University level Thermodynamics.
So if you have something useful to say, and pull rank, back it up with facts please.
Carl – quit making too much sense…
OMG! A conspiracy theorist! You’ve got to be kidding.
“The only thing that is constant is change”…it’s time to wake up and smell the clean air.
Air in the US is the cleanest it’s been since about 1850 when we started burning coal for heat. I know the lefty environmentalists don’t want to admit that but I have been alive long enough to remember what it was like before the EPA and the Clean Air/Water Acts. It was much worse than today.
So, kudos, then, to the environmentalists who got EPA and the US Govt to act. NEPA, Endangered Species Act, Clean Water Act, MARPOL and a host of other laws ensure that we have this environment that you wrote about. This movement to address contaminants is part of that long tradition of ensuring our environment is healthy…
Mark Twain: ” I am all in favor of Progress….
It is CHANGE I can’t stand!”
The EPA needs to come up with a list of ranges vs conditions. Hilly terrain, mountainous roads, air conditioning on, heater on, outside temperature ranges and finally range with the AC on or heat on carrying a 500 lbs load in the bed towing a 500 lbs trailer. Real world range assumptions are needed, not just max range with no accessories on or towing.
There is a YouTube video on this. The Electric F150 has a range of about 190 per charge, towing a boat it went down to 90 plus miles.
The EPA should do the same for ice vehicles also!
My 99-Suburban 350-4wd towing a 17’ fiberglass boat got 16, and 17 without.
Nah, the EPA should just stop. Let the companies set their estimates, and let the lawyers hold them accountable. Right now the EPA overestimates EV’s, underestimates gas engines and torpedoes diesels. Take the politics out of it.
Why so much worry about range when few buy a gas or Diesel truck depending on its tank size. And few ever travel over 100 miles any day
450 mile range with no load, that is more than most trucks with a 25 gallon gas tank! Still impressive.
It can cost up to $100,000 to install a Level 3 charger, which is what a fleet would need to take advantage of the 350kwh charging potential. When you weigh one of these work trucks down with equipment, supplies, gear, etc. the range will fall well under 450 miles. $100,000 will pay for over 22,000 gallons of diesel fuel at the current diesel prices. That’s a huge expenditure to put out $100,000 for a Level 3 charger, and then $73K per EV truck. A local or regional business with a fleet of 10 trucks would be looking at over $800K just to convert.
Since it costs so much most businesses buying these trucks won’t do it – probably since they don’t want to pay electric demand fees.
They are much more likely to install 16 kw charging wall boxes for $1500 plus installation, usually using existing facilities so they will charge over the entire overnight period to not push up the demand charges beyond what they are during the daytime
Commercial night rates here are five cents per kWh
. Essentially pennies per gallon equivalent.
A) a business doesn’t need a level 3 charger unless they are trying to quick turn these vehicles in a 24hour operation B) companies that buy these will only be running around the city and stopping for a while to work (it is a pick up truck, that is what they do) while towing a trailer close. Pool builders, contractors, excavating crews. Someone that runs maybe 30 miles away, stops all day and works and drives back. Plugs in to a level 2 charger that is WAY less than the level 3 (which is much less than the 100k you quoted in most cases, that is high end). Then you include tax breaks and other savings and it isn’t so bad. Plus, the 75k is the 3WT version, they are going to release cheaper 2WT and regular WT versions much closer in price to the ICE trucks.
If only these twins (Silverado/Sierra) had a big Frunk like the Lightning and the Rev then these would be pretty much zero compromise choices. GM seems to have decided to save some money and use off the shelf parts and NOT concentrate on making the Frunk as big as possible as Ford and Ram decided to do.
Getting 450 Miles on a charge and also having 350kW charging speeds is best in class by a wide margin so far.
We shall see what the Cybertruck specs are.
Great job by the GM team!!!
GM focused more on aerodynamics that provides 450 miles of range versus an extra few cubic feet of frunk space. But I guess if your only concern is frunk space, give up 130 miles of range and get that F-150 Lightning.
@GMC Fan
Didn’t say it was a concern or my only concern. Stated that they should have made a much bigger Frunk and utilize as much of the space as they could have like Ford and Ram did.
Just stating that GM chose to utilize parts from their existing catalog instead of focusing on how to maximize the size of the Frunk which would in turn make them produce new parts that are specifically made for these BEV’s. They made that decision and yes I am calling them out on it.
And yes it is a big deal that others in the segment will allow owners to place TWO Golf bags in the Frunk when these GM twins cannot even fit one per sources.
If you think that doesn’t matter then I guess it doesn’t matter to you. I know one person who chose the Lightning specifically due to being able to have Two Golf bags in the Frunk over the ICE version…..this person was up until that moment completely anti EV.
So yes features matter to customers. To say otherwise is not accurate.
Your comments are absolutely ludicrous.
First, please detail what parts associated with the trunk are shared with other GM models.
Second, both Ford and Ram basically took their gas models and only changed the power train. They’re the manufacturers that are cheaping out by not building a completely new model optimized as an EV.
Wow, if someone needs a vehicle that holds 2 golf bags in an enclosed space, why are they buying an F-150? Many other superior options available. In fact if someone buys an $80k truck just so they can fit clubs in the frunk, I know understand why we’re seeing $1000/month auto payments. Just can’t fix stupid.
@GMC Fan
It is a very well known fact that the size of a Frunk or lack there of is due to the parts used by automakers. You have to make the conscious decision as a company to make new parts to take advantage of the Frunk (Size of Frunk or even offering a Frunk)
Ford did NOT simply take out the engine they literally worked on the size of the Frunk for a very long time. They have stated so.
GM did not obviously.
Enough with the frunks. Find something else to complain about. No more frunk envy.
NOW, All GM has to do is build the trucks with no flaws. and build them in scale. Do not do like the Lyriq and Hummer. Build the trucks in tens of thousands. GM says it knows how to scale up, now is the time to prove it!!
Whoa, gotta have tens of thousands of buyers willing to shell out $73k for an electric WT, I’m out. I can buy an ICE Silverado and an Equinox for that much.
This vehicle is not for you Carl.
It is for businesses in my area who do not want to pay over $4/gallon or more for 15 mpg diesel pay $120 for 450 miles plus routine maintenance unloaded.
My previous comment illustrated that in western NY, overnight rates not increasing the monthly demand fee will be about five cents/kWh including tax.
A 200 kWh recharge overnight which does not push up the business’ monthly demand overnight would add $10 to the electricity bill. Over $100 in savings with every tank full plus 30% lower maintenance costs.
If GM can make them reliably, they will sell like Hotcakes because businesses see and WANT huge savings.
Mostly agree with you m, except you are getting 200kwh overnight without a 100A circuit and 80A EVSE.
But obviously you are rarely going to be needing to dump in a full 200kwh of energy.
Maybe the truck does 100 miles per day. Using say 1/4 of the battery. So just needs 50KWh. That can be done on 5ish hours using a 40A EVSE. Or could get 100kwh in with about 10 hours of charge.
80 amps on a 200 volt commercial circuit is 16kw. If it takes 13 hours to recharge during the evening and overnight, or 2 days overnight only, I don’t think most businesses would consider that a hardship.
You have to have batteries to build these EVs. Only one Ultium battery shop is operational. You also have to source the materials for the batteries in an increasingly tight market. Someone at GM seems to have realized that less is more. Less product flooding the market = higher transaction prices/ less incentivizing to move product off of the lots.
Not my cup of tea! Research states its more damaging to the environment to “drill” for these minerals that generate the batteries, not to mention after they are burnt up/unable to charge, the biohazard they then cause to the environment!!
Stuff these liberal “greenies” don’t want to talk about……
I’ll keep my 1998 5.7L C/K 1500 with 240k miles on it. Still runs great and planning on handing it down to my son when he turns 14 in eight months.
Yup, I’m saving my current Silverado for my grandson.
Your grandson is gonna laugh at you.
Not this again. No. An EV is not worse for the environment when wells to wheels and full lifecycle is considered.
There is an up front, higher energy expenditure to produce the batteries, but that will get cleaner as energy production shifts to renewables. And the EV makes up for it fast during the use phase, as ICE wastes a huge percentage of the energy in gas as waste heat. The payback period is typically less than a couple years of typical driving.
And they EV batteries which contain highly refined and valuable minerals will be recycled. With about 80%-90% of the materials able to be recovered.
Hahaha haha. All you EV huggers are going to poop yourself when you see govt regulated energy put restrictions on when you can charge. (not to mention when energy costs soar). Already restricted on home AC use during hottest parts of summer in US, and middle of winter in Sweden. It’s not going to get better for those who are too narrow minded to see this is not going to save the planet. US is only 5% of world population. Look at China, India, and soon Africa as biggest world environmental threats.
I am the one laughing at your opinion! Hold on to your pants because ice is going to be short lived in the future whether you like it or not! Battery technology will only get better and 1 to 2000 mile range will be the norm!
Greg – I think you are right about Big Brother ramming these EV’s down our throats, they will certainly make it more difficult for us to continue to own/operate ICE’s. However, I think everything Sebastian said is true, you can laugh all you want, but he is spot on, about the only thing I can fault him on, is he is 0.75% off on the US percentage of world population (whoop-de-doo).
Tell me about the big improvements coming soon to the national power grid to support all of these EV’s and all of the new mandated electric appliances?
Fred. These vehicles by and large will
TOTALLY
use existing infrastructure, even using a business’ existing electrical facilities if recharged during the substantially dead overnight period.
This will
Increase
the reliability of central stations due to relaxed stressing of steam boilers and turbines.
I spaced things out to get the point across since most comments just parrot inaccurate Bromides.
Most steam power plant generating systems do not operate the same way they once did. In past years, steam generation was based on “load following”. As the load changed, the outputs automatically followed. With the addition of sporadic generation from wind and solar, the steam plants have been mostly relegated to base load operation. This means that they are ramped up to basically full load and the load increases and decreases from the sporadic operation of the wind and solar are supplemented by gas turbine generation. When the sun goes away, the generation goes away. When the wind quits, the generation goes away. That difference Has to be made up somewhere. The only way to make it up quickly is through the use of single and combined cycle gas turbines. Single stage gas turbines can be brought online within a matter of seconds. And sometimes these gas turbine units are called upon to start 15 to 20 times in a single day. Since maintenance on these units is based on starts and not time, this makes maintenance very expensive. Power generation is not the simple thing it used to be. it’s highly possible that if all of these new EV’s are plugged into charging stations overnight, we will need to find either some more fossil fuel generation or switch to nuclear. Wind and solar are not very reliable when the wind doesn’t blow in the sun doesn’t shine.
Just because some areas have cc generation doesn’t mean all do. Mine does not substantially.
What we do have is savings from electric bills now., And decreased Costs later due to increased off peak load factor of the existing central stations here courtesy a huge expected increase of overnight charging using formerly dormant infrastructure.
Bill – I always read your comments, I think they are generally well thought out. Having said that, given all of the apartment dwellers across the fruited plain, will they be charging at night (I am sure some will), or will they basically be forced to go to the public charging stations? How much will it cost to upgrade all of the electrical service connections and electric service panels across the land to be able to charge at an adequate rate? I know you already know the best answer…nuclear, but the powers that be don’t agree with you or I. I am very confident that electrical transmission and distribution upgrades will be needed across the country to support all of this stuff (don’t forget they want to get rid of our gas stoves, our gas heat, our gas hot water heaters etc.). The big problem is that this is all coming too quickly, and many of us will have problems similar to California with blackouts etc., if the necessary upgrades are not made. Again, while we are being forced to make all of these changes CHINA alone will be building more new coal power plants between now and 2030, than we currently have in total operating inside the US. And what about China’s neighbor, it looks like they are substantially increasing their coal power plants as well. Given the above, what are we going to achieve by rapidly moving towards electric everything here in the US?
Businesses that have truck fleets do not operate out of apartments period.
Okay, you got me on that ‘businesses’ generally don’t operate out of apartments. However, the rest of us are being forced into electrification and at the same time, the power generating capacity, transmission line capacity and local distribution line capacity are NOT adequate at this point (or even close), and there is no coherent plan that I have heard from the powers that be that actually addresses this stuff. Again, why rush, RUSH on this stuff when China/India will be adding much more CO2 emissions than we even when combined with the EU are reducing?
Fred in answer to your question there is little upgrading needed.
They are reducing electric supply by Woke Actions.
If they did Nothing there would be little trouble.
My home was built in 1959 and it still has all its original facilities, namely a 100 amp aluminum service entrance.
I have added central whole – house air conditioning, added dishwasher and disposer, large 8 x 10 ‘ hot tub converted to gas by me but still with three 3-horsepower pumps.
3 hp case converted snowblower to replace a blown Kohler 7 hp gas engine running on a small 220 cord. Overloaded it puts out 6 hp.
5 hp electric pressure washer equal in performance to gas 10 hp models by similar reasoning.
2 hp commercial air compressor ,
2 hp toy sears oil less compressor.
1800 watt 3 person dry sauna
3 EV car chargers installed years ago.
16,30,32 amp models for 3 cars and an emergency 110 wallbox.
I have no heating or capacity troubles as it is competently maintained.
Bill – I enjoy conversing with you, but I am still worried. Like many folks around me, I have a gas fired furnace, a gas fired hot water heater, and a gas stove. I could be wrong, but I think these will take quite a bit of electricity to run. Add a high end charger for a new EV on top of that…this is going to cost me a fortune just for the switchout at my house, because this stuff isn’t pre-wired. You can’t just add say 30% more demand without even adjusting for added population (looking way out into the future) from these conversions and expect that everything will be fine. It is likely that a large chunk of the population will have to get new electric service panels/add new wiring for all of the appliance conversions/buy these new electric appliances…this stuff all costs money and lots of it (in my case it would run close to $10k, BEFORE accounting for the new appliances). This is before accounting for what I believe to be necessary: Upgrading power generation capacity/upgrading transmission lines and capacity/upgrading distribution lines and capacity. The last estimate that I saw was about $5 trillion to do all of this…I know the powers that be think this is easily doable, but this sounds like real money to me. AGAIN, why RUSH this stuff without a coherent plan, when China/India will be adding more their current CO2 emissions than us combined with the EU will be reducing.
Fred those are the key points you just made.
Obviously with just a dinky 22 kw electric service for my entire house (voltage drops to 110/220 in the summertime in my subdivision due to utility incompetence), I get HIGH value out of any electricity I do use… Therefore I have 8 Natural Gas Appliances. I use BY FAR more methane energy wise per year than I do electricity even with the large number of electrical devices and 3 plugin vehicles.
NY State has mandated starting 2025 no new gas hookups and no gas appliance sales including huge heating equipment by 2030
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I thought banning Coal Plants was Nuts but now they want to ban the most popular source of heat in the whole country. If they do that, people will freeze and starve to death. Which is of course the master plan.
People are brainwashed enough already. A dose of reality is needed to shake them out of their stupor.
Fred
1). I am in favor of more us style coal plants everywhere. That is why I have 3evs in the first place.
2). Landlords will install kiosks with slow overnight credit card charging for tenants at low cost per tenant.
A COHERENT plan would address the power supply/transmission/distribution issues BEFORE going all out on electrifying everything. I think this should be obvious to anyone. Instead, we are encouraged to bury our heads in the sand and just hope somehow it will all work out without a coherent plan. I think I mentioned this to you before, but I am for EV’s, just not for them being forced on us as they will be soon enough.
The grid will grow over time just like it always has. It will take decades before even half the cars on the road are EVs. If I buy an ICE today it will still be around a decade from now. EVs don’t magically make existing ICE vehicles disappear.
Dont worry Fred.
GM has proven not only it cannot run a production line, it also cannot run a paint shop since they have been out of Blue paint for my new Lyriq for over a year now. That is why I have a black one.
At this rate it will be only 80 years to catch up with the backlog.
ICE drivers simply CANNOT be forced into something they don’t want due to these hideous logistics.
EVs are not a problem. Too much crime and no money will be bigger issues.
Bill I agree with you again ‘too much crime’ and ‘no money’. The no money part is exactly my concern, we better have a well thought-out strategy to switch us over to full electrification, but at this point, we simply do not. Anymore, the folks in charge (no matter who it is), simply don’t care about not having enough money to fund all of their grand schemes, and for some reason, nobody seems to care anymore…this is simply a recipe for disaster. Oh well, I’ll end up getting solar panels for my house anyway, just so I will have a way to have power on site when the country goes bankrupt.
There was a lot in the bi-partisan infrastructure bill and the recently passed IRA bill for money toward improving the energy infrastructure, and business and consumer tax credits for energy efficiency improvements.
But electric utilities see the coming wave of EVs and electricity demand and the associated $$ that means to their businesses and they will scale up and improve their infrastructure to adapt.
I’m not always a fan of capitalism and it la flaws, but there are inarguably some things it does well.
Let’s have an example since it will be easier to visualize:
Let’s assume a small trucking firm is considering purchasing some electric trucks and want to recharge 9 of them simultaneously out of hours.
Due to a relatively large air conditioned office area and a few freight elevators, the building has a plain Jane 600 amp 120Y/208 volt electric service that the business does not want to discard.
In operation only one freight elevator is rarely used on off hours and no air conditioning is used at all.
The night time demand is only 20 kw tops which is under 10% of the roughly 210 kw available.
Each charger is around 16kw figuring 4% voltage drop when under load. Total charger loading is around 144 kw for 9 trucks.
3 – 80 amps chargers draw 48 kw or 139 amperes. ,Similarly 9 draw about 417 amperes. The reduction in feeder current is because each set of 3 chargers perform power factor correction on the feeder. The chargers in isolation are resistive 100% pf loads but the leg loading is either 86.6% leading or lagging. 417 with continuous loading is only 521 amperes. Since the existing night time load is never more than 60 amps the system is big enough with no added infrastructure.
Yes Sebastian, fossil fuel will slowly go away and as the price at the pump doubles or triples, EV huggers will wave at you as you’re standing at the gas pump complaining about the price. Electric rates will go up but it’s predictable and will not swing in cost as compared to gasoline.
GeorgeS, you are right, that in the past, electricity costs were mostly predictable, MUCH more so that fuel costs. You are also right, that fuel costs will be going up (by design) substantially in the coming years.
Having said that, going forward, I think electrical costs will be going up substantially for most, if not all of us. It costs a lot of money to tear down coal/natural gas/hydroelectric plants and replace them with wind and solar (and battery storage systems), not to mention that it will cost even more to upgrade the transmission/distribution systems, service line connections and service panels across the US to convert us to EV’s, replace our gas stoves, our gas heating systems, our gas hot water heaters etc. Somebody has to pay the bill for that, yes it will be the electric companies/US Govt/other levels of Govt, but where do they get the money from…I’ll give you a hint, it is us.
The he price of liquid fuels should stabilize or even drop as demand for it decreases as EV’s replace ICE.
It takes 5 minutes to fill the 27 gallon tank in my Silverado. I can carry extra fuel in the bed if I need to. While looking into the future I can see vehicles stranded all over the world due to no ability to recharge the dead batteries. The switch to electric is a scam simply to line somebody else’s pockets. Since the 1960’s vehicle owners have been burdened by politicians in some wild eyed scam to have clean air. Nobody has an issue with clean air but the approach here is a direct assault on the freedoms earned by those who died in war during ww2. If you want clean air (really) then you might look at hydrogen powered vehicles.
Spending $100,000. for a pickup is a little ridiculous when you know after the purchase you will be driven into bankruptcy by some extremist in Washington. Why not switch to those in congress should only fly in electric powered aircraft? Get real folks, your science projects are hurting the American people. Oh, and Climate Change, well it’s pretty cool out this morning and it’s damned near Memorial Day.
It takes 5 minutes versus 10 hours. So what? This is a business WORK truck.
Instead of refueling expensively and doing nothing while it is parked it is productively refueling at One tenth the cost. See my above comments.
These trucks will sell like crazy to business, since companies will grasp any savings they can.
You maybe missed the massive heat wave in the Pacific Northwest with temps 15 to 20 degrees above normal last week, setting heat records?
Did you maybe miss the 6 months or so of below normal temperatures leading up to the two week heatwave?
Takes me close to zero time to charge my EV.
Park it. Plug it in. And done. It charges while I sleep or have family time or whatever.
Some businesses have their own gas stations, but most don’t, so they are going to have to pay an employee their hourly wage to make a trip to the gas station and fill up the vehicle and drive it back to the depot. If they require going to a big box gas station like Costco for the gas savings, they might have to wait 5-10 (or more) minutes in a big line up. Before that claimed “only 5 minutes to fill up”. Or those that do have their own gas pumps, maybe are paying a separate employee to manage the filling and maintenance of the vehicles.
With an EV the employee parks the vehicle at the end of the day, plugs in, and signs out for the day.
GM showed this truck on 1/5/2022 — over a 16 months ago — and it’s not in production. If it’s like the Hummer, it will never really be available for sale in any volume until 2025. I’m surprised GM’s Ultium production SNAFU isn’t making more headlines.
Indeed, the EPA estimates that the 2024 Silverado EV 3WT and 4WT will deliver an estimated 450 miles of range from a full charge.
So what do we think the price will be for these 2? 70-100K? range? Hard see value as work truck if the that’s entry price.
I think this gives us a good idea of what the 2024 Traverse’s face is going to look like.
Just because some areas have cc generation doesn’t mean all do. Mine does not substantially.
What we do have is savings from electric bills now., And decreased Costs later due to increased off peak load factor of the existing central stations here courtesy a huge expected increase of overnight charging using formerly dormant infrastructure.
Fred
1). I am in favor of more us style coal plants everywhere. That is why I have 3evs in the first place.
2). Landlords will install kiosks with slow overnight credit card charging for tenants at low cost per tenant.
In New York, I read muggers are targeting charging stations. Makes sense as the more wealthy are sitting there patiently waiting.
I read in Florida (and in general the southeast ) they have the highest gun homicide per 100,000 of any other region of the country.
Most gun deaths are from suicide and most suicides are older white males. Apparently older white males have more problems coping with changes in life.
No matter where you live, prices will continue to rise. The issue is this: We have plenty of natural resources that we are now not allowed to use. The price for electricity will continue to rise as older coal fired power generation is shut down because they cannot meet the new EPA regulations. The shutdowns will necessitate the need to build even more wind turbines and solar panels, all subsidized by the government. If they ever decide to stop subsidizing, the cost of electricity will go through the roof. Steam generation requires much less maintenance if operated 24/7 but we seem determined to ignore all that and continue to build more and more high maintenance wind turbines.
Steve:
The issue here is how many charge/discharge cycles can a battery withstand?
Bob Lutz’s first generation Volt had to be good for 150,000 miles (his words) before they released the 2011 for sale. At 35 miles per day that would be around 4,000 full cycles, or around 11 years so that gm could give the 8 year 100,000 mile warranty.
A Prius hybrid with a 1.4 kWh battery could easily rack up 5 cycles per day, or around 30,000 miles before needing replacement. So a Toyota on its fourth battery is to be expected.
A Bolt battery may go almost a week typically before one charge/discharge cycles is done. So before the battery is stressed a high mileage driver like a technician or salesman should get 500,000 miles out of it.
Another thing: Tests have shown if a vehicle is not fully discharged deeply and not charged all the way full, you can extend the total number of miles travelled on the battery by 3 times. Kid gloves treatment.
Such charging profiles are typical since the vehicle is driven a bit, but in no way are the full capabilities of the battery used every single day. So, the battery spends most of its time in a sweet spot. Such a battery should be able to go 1,000,000 miles for high mileage drivers.
4,000 cycles x 400 miles is 1,600,000 miles. But this battery might get kid gloves treatment extending it’s average life by 3x, on this Silverado EV.