One of the scariest moments for any vehicle owner is when their engine begins making weird noises. Lately, a few GM V8s have been making several different noises, including chirps, squeaks or sputters, concerning many owners. Now, an article on GM TechLink says these noises are normal.
GM 5.3L V8 L84 engine
There are four common sounds produced by the affected engines:
- Catalyst light off – occurs on start, where spark timing is retarded for rapid catalyst converter warm-up, and may last roughly 30 seconds. Notably, this warm-up sequence is not triggered on all start-ups, as the vehicle must have sat for an hour or longer.
- Engine restart – following complete engine shutdown coasting down to 14 mph, spark timing is retarded to prevent engine overspeed/torque bump. This noise lasts only abut a second.
- Auto-start – at the end of an engine stop/start shutdown, spark timing is retarded to prevent engine overspeed/torque bump. This noise lasts only abut a second.
- Throttle blip – a light blip of the throttle while in park/neutral results in spark timing being reduced to prevent engine overspeed. This sound is hardly noticeable and hard to reproduce.
GM 6.2L V8 L87 engine
The 6.2L V8 L87 gasoline engine and the 6.6L V8 L8T gasoline engine are known to produce these peculiar noises under various conditions. These engines are found in some 2019-2023 Chevy Silverado 1500, Silverado HD, Chevy Tahoe, Chevy Suburban, GMC Sierra 1500, GMC Sierra HD, GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade models. Notably, these sounds are much more noticeable in the L87 and L8T engines than in the 5.3L V8 L84 gasoline engine.
GM 6.6L V8 L8T engine
It’s worth noting that comparing these noises to other, similar vehicles is not recommended, as the noises may be different from one vehicle to another. This could result in unnecessary repairs, as the sounds are a normal characteristic of a healthy, operating engine. Replacing the engine or internal components in an attempt to fix the sounds will not reduce or eliminate them.
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How Many Times Have We Heard That Excuse From GM….Mine Started With The Vega GT.
New and improved! Take it to your dealer, “Oh that’s normal”, until the warranty runs out. Yeah!
I think this is completely insane!! I payed 66.000 for a 2022 Silverado TB 6.2L and this truck sounds like a 1980s Oldsmobile… I am extremely disappointed with GM on this. I would have never bought this truck if I would have known this was a NORMAL PROBLEM, considering it took 2 mounts before it started squealing like a pig.. GM needs to to the right thing and compensate there customer’s on this embarrassing noise from a brand new truck.
Remember the days when you could stand next to your car with engine warmed up and not be able to hear it running? Have we really progressed?
Thank you so much CARB
Haha, so we know who bought a truck for the image. Embarrassing, all the new tech they are able to do things to make them safer on themselves.
You didn’t spend enough, if you had spent 70k you would have had a smooth-running quiet truck. People like you make me laugh, buys a truck for the image and makes sure they tell everyone how entitled they are by stating because they spent XX price they deserve XX. Guess what, that is a normal vehicle price these days, you aren’t special.
Let me guess, you would cry about squeaking brakes on a performance car with performance brakes huh? Porsche put out memos about that, probably directed at like-minded people like you.
Please just stop posting…
you can take your opinion, and F@#k off Commonsense !!!! Maybe get your facts strait before you start assuming things!
I would complain about squeaky performance brakes on a performance car. Regardless of what Porsche put out, it’s due to inferior parts, improper installation or break-in. You are the one that should stop posting. It’s a terrible post.
Sounds like driving your old beater has caused some envy. Seriously, this is a “grown ups” forum. There’s simply no need to act like you are on Twitter or Farcebook. If you’ve got nothing nice to say then go use social media. Don’t lose your cool or class here, thanks. P.S. BE NICE.
Commonsense: climb back in your hole little troll. (and you should really reconsider your choice of username)
Your comment did not in any way reflect the tone of the original poster. Look at the replies and live and learn.
Whats’s wrong with an 80’s Oldsmobile?
Not much unless you have the diesel
66K for a truck? You got ripped off big time
I would purchase the extended warranty just in case. Too bad GM did away with the 100k drivetrain warranty, that helped sell lots of vehicles.
In the owners manual for the 5.7 Hemi engine reads that a Hemi will make more noise than other types of V8’s. There are plenty of articles about the Hemi Tick. Most are normal, others are exhaust manifold bolts breaking or lifter failure. I have a RAM and no tick yet my brother’s Ram has had it since day one but it is very mild with 60,000 miles on the truck. My 6.2L LT1 in my Camaro has no noises but at idle in park it sometimes seems a little loud but it is normal lifter and combustion noises. Aluminum blocks and heads transfer noise more easily than the old heavy iron.
Yeah I have the 2.4 in my 2009 g-6 and you might mistake it for a diesel but I bought it new and it’s been and still is a great car. My 4.3 v-6 has a bit of lifter tick at 70k but holds great oil pressure so no worries.
I left my XTS on by mistake twice. No, I’m not loosing it. It’s that quiet.
My 22 C8 HTC made a shuttering sound a couple of days ago rolling down a slight incline, at just a couple of MPH approaching stop sign. Sound went away after about 5 seconds and not again since that one time. Sounded like it came from the transmission. It also happened a few days after I had my 7500 mile first service. I also asked at that service if they added transmission fluid and was told no as the fluid flows through the filter but, not contained. Tomg
They knew they were building crap.
GM has been putting out quality products lately let’s continue to support and spend our money with them please .
Not sure but I think that’s sarcasm…
If you’re waiting 7500 miles to service your vehicle won’t make it to 75K miles, with todays oils 5K is max.
That is just flat out false. Oils today are far superior and 7500 is well with in specs. I can’t even think of an engine from any manufacturer that wouldn’t make it to 75k with 7500 mile oil change intervals. Lets not spread false information that you pass off as your opinion, that mis leads people…
@commonsense, isn’t what you said just your opinion as well?
Welcome to the world of in this case I would disagree with you EPA requirements push those long interchange intervals. But facts are facts and a lot acadia’s traverses CTS is all ended up on stretch timing chains and big timing change jobs due to too far apart interval oil changes 7500 is just too far to go. Speaking from experience as a GM Master Tech for 25 years. In GM’s own bulletins they cite excessive oil change intervals and ECM reprograms to change the service engine oil soon mileage intervals
The oils are far better, metallurgy is better and universality of fuel injection in modern engines have given us extended drain intervals. Do whatever you want with your money but if you’re changing your oil in a modern engine at 5,000 miles, unless you’re driving less than 5,000 miles per year, you’re a fool.
You couldn’t be more incorrect. Oils today are far more advanced as well as some filters. Not all oils and filters are created equal. I’m at 20,000 mile oil change on my 07 Dodge diesel. Over 200,000 miles and good oil samples. I’m also at 15,000 mile oil change on my 04 Tahoe with almost 230,000 miles.
5k on gas engines for me, oil is cheap but engine parts are expensive.
If you use high quality synthetics and the appropriate filters you can quit wasting tons of money and creating tons of pollution 30,000 mi on an oil change and filters with Amsoil products are the average and the environment needs advancements like this but you won’t hear this from Pennzoil or any of the other big names investigate it for yourself save some time money and most importantly the mechanicals of your vehicle
People today are driving 20k miles a year. My car takes 7.8 qts with filter. 110 dollar oil change 4 times a year at 5k miles is 440 a year. Would call that cheap
Sometimes these people without knowledge or experience just like to spend money but I’m right there with you synthetic oil and quality filters have gone a long ways towards reducing waste and wasted time and happy to see that someone else knows what they’re talking about!
That all depends on the oil, but for the most part too are regurgitating oil company sales B.S. Driving habits and environment ALSO has much to do with oil life. I ONLY use Amsoil and Amsoil extended life filters and NEVER change my oil OR filter before 30,000 MILES. And for example ones rig is a1990 Chevy ones ton non overdrive with 4.11 gears and the stock 454 went 285,000 miles before it needed many gaskets replaced but the mechanicals are still going strong. If you buy the right oil and filters you can do this with most vehicles. And I DO know where of I speak. Amsoil synthetics save much time and money for the incredible returns given. Many will likely dispute what I have posted here and I DON’T CARE. PROOF IS IN THE SERVICE LIFE. I have NOTHING TO GAIN FROM LYING. I DON’T WORK FOR THEM, I just appreciate what they put out. PLEASE investigate before going all out on just my say so. You may spend twice as much on the oil but TEN times the life is still a FIVE FOLD RETURN. Hey that out of your Pennzoil I dare you!
I wouldn’t personally go that far on a maintenance pull but I agree with you 100% on Amsoil makes a damn great product! Congrats on the the Big Block service life. She still spinnin?
Extended warranty anyone!!!???
Guess what! The extended warranties max out. 2017 Chevy Suburban here. Have new engine. Have new transmission. Despite regular recommended maintenance, I have had all kinds of work done on the vehicle. It has been in the shop enough to equate to a span of a years time. If I hear, “all but a recall” one more time. Best part is when the dealership tells you GM is putting out crap. Noted. This is the the worst vehicle I have ever owned.
Combustion engines make noises, that’s what they do. They have several hundred moving parts. If GM says the noises are normal there isn’t much more that can be done until something actually fails. That’s just the way ALL automakers play the game these days with their warranties.
If you want silent running, get an EV.
But be sure to carry fire extinguishers, I have an electric golf cart that was silent. Now after 5 years the motor and gear train whine while driving. None of these EVs have been out long enough for the gears to wear, it will start making noise.
Bob – I’ve been driving plug-ins since 2011. That’s 11 years…. My 2012 Volt – (over 11 years old now since it was purchased in 2011) still has a dead silent
planetary transmission and a very well behaved 4 cylinder backup engine.
The 2 BOLTs I have owned (including a current one) has a very beefy double reduction gearing (to allow a low-cost high speed motor with an overall reduction of around 8:1) looks to me – with a 200 hp motor to be the equal of 400 hp tesla gearboxes – the ones that “murmer”. During hard acceleration, you never hear anything straining.
Therefore, it seems likely the gearbox (just 4 helical gears and a jackshaft) should last at least 300,000 miles in normal driving.
Even with the battery recall issue – you’ve got about as much likelihood of having a fire in a BOLT as being struck by lightning… Most people would take that gamble. And all the ‘fire-starter’ jokes here will be gone once all the suspect batteries are replaced free-of-charge.
Tesla of course, gets a pass on the multitudinous fires and explosions all their vehicles have had.
Sounds like a lot of CARB/EPA induced and mandated BS. If GM could actually let the engines just run, these things wouldn’t even exist.
Catalyst warm-up? Forced engine shutoffs and restarts? All CARB/EPA malarkey adding tech and wear to your vehicle.
EPA wants that cat hot IMMEDIATELY! Don’t you know that you’re killing the environment with that extra 2-3 minutes of normal cat warming time?!
If you’re CAT isn’t hot right away your killing baby seals and making Prince William cry in one of his 4 castles….
04..5.3 Silvy.250k miles 1/2 qt every 5k miles, oil looks like new..ffwd 11 -5.3 99k miles never mind 4k miles and better change it, down to 13mpg SMH# f lifter bypass lol(dod/afm)
I have never heard any strange noises from my L8T. Yeah
I thought they stopped making citations years ago…..? Bring back the classics…….. problem s
GM builds the best cars and trucks in the WORLD. No DOUBT.
More excuses for poor builds!!!
These new engines are built to levels and degrees that we have never seen in production engines.
Just look at the new engines we have today in the trucks. They are built to a level much higher than many race engines of just 20 years ago. We used to brag about 4 bolt mains and the like where today we have more main bolts and they even bolt in from the side to give the blocks more rigidity than ever.
You want to know why automakers have taken up the Ev. One the regulations have forced them into it. With the added engineering and tech to make a ICE clean it is not just ever increasing the cost but the complexity.
Todays engines are marvels. My turbo was a daily driver for 10 years with 23 pounds of boost and never an issue. 300 HP from 2.0 liters. But there is just so much more to make noise and go wrong as they get older.
Look at some of these cars like a Dodge Stealth. They can cost much more to repair than they are worth. They are just an example of a car that is in an ever increasing group of models that just are too expensive to restore or preserve.
Times have changed and the way things were have changed. Some for the better and some for the worse.
Gone are the days of engineered failure, billet parts And tighter tolerances along with a greater sense of pride on top of competition y results in better parts AND performance
Time to get caught up and come to the realization that the engines today have a ton of things on them that do and sound different from the old 350 Gen 1 most of you only know.
With all these new tech items like direct injection, AFM and Cam Timing these things all make noise.
Get to some of the Turbo engines on start up you get a loud air rush of sound but it stops 30 seconds in as this is where the wastegate opens and the first few seconds run with the boost in by pass. It sounds horrible but it is what makes things work.
Too many of you are just so far behind on all the trick and Rube Goldberg parts they have to use to get ICE to meet MPG and Emissions today.
Yes they could cut all this tech out but then you would have a 75 HP 3 cylinder if you were lucky.
Best to have an informed opinion vs a just random ignorant rants.
My 2.0 Turbo had thing noise that sounded like a slamming metal door and a ball bearing dropping. They all did it.
Exactly, all these negative comments are just misinformed elders stuck in their old ways. Things have changed, the new tech makes things a little noisier at times but is completely safe. Yet these are still quieter than anything pre 00’s idling or running.
Our 1955 Oldsmobile 324 Rocket V8 runs very quietly; it’s really quite amazing.
Yup and the Ford in-line 6’s truly did run like sewing machines when tuned, timed, and carburetored properly. These young guys just never had that experience. No computer assist, just good old fashioned manual super-tune.
But it stands a chance in hell of meeting todays regulations as it was. Also the lifters were a pain to get out as they would mushroom and make it hard to pull out with a puller. Then the rockers would tick.
I know, just reminiscing a bit from my early days.
Memories are often better than reality.
Computer assist results in better running greater efficiency and an almost doubled power output. And it won’t stink on startup. Old tech CAN’T EVER COMPARE!
Excellent engine. I remember the ol trucks havin the bulldog gear too. Your tellin our age ol buddy. Hey, you can’t leave Buick’s 3800 outta this convo either. Equally as near perfectly engineered and well balanced as Ford’s straightline 6. Two of the finest engines right here that have or ever will be produced! GD were old bro…it happened!!!😆😥
Dustin, about age! Growing up in the 1960’s, for summer fun, friends and I would sit on the front porch and guest what cars was coming down the street before you could see it. Chevy, Ford and Chrysler’s six cylinder engines with solid lifters all had an unique noise. It was a lot of fun.
I was totally born a generation or two too late. I’m just 40 but an old soul for sure. Cool story pops. Thx for sharin that sir.
My wife says I make a lot of strange noises too. C’est la vie…
Are you still under warranty?
My warranty lapsed long ago, otherwise I would have my bald spots repaired and my eyes replaced.
Haha me too!
You ROCK your comments and responses have me running to the bathroom least my continued laughter causes this old man to lose bladder containment conditions causing premature waste release resulting in contemplation of purchasing some depends.🤪😜🤣🤣🤣
I’m also curious on how much of this is now heard because of the lack of hood insulation for these vehicles.
You want quiet – buy an EV and quit whining … just kidding.
Oil is crucial on startup and is necessary to reduce mechanical noises for ICE.
You ROCK your comments and responses have me running to the bathroom least my continued laughter causes this old man to lose bladder containment conditions causing premature waste release resulting in contemplation of purchasing some depends.🤪😜🤣🤣🤣
Cracked heads every valve rattles oil leaks every time. Chevrolet
Ain’t that the truth.
You want quiet? Buy an EV and quit “whining”🤣🤣🤣 that’s funny!!
Lifters fail, “GM Bulletin: It’s normal for lifters to fail at anytime, good luck.”
Performance brakes squeal until they are hot
My Chevy 4.3 V6 hold good old pressure 40 pounds 223000 miles
This is why I lease. When the warranty is up, the truck is gone.
Why can’t manufacturers just go back to older successful engines? Reverse engineer them to get those to quality and reliable features. It’s like each new engine comes out with even more problems than the last and no one wants to do anything about it. Planning for the future purchases, I keep up with all the problem engines and transmissions and as of now, I would not begin to do for a new vehicle. When they begin correcting problems, I possibly will be in the market again.
This engine is also in the GMC and Chevy vans
It’s strange, my new Toyota Tacoma doesn’t seem to have any of these problems.
GM also uses the same excuses for hard shifts in the gmc sierra and Silverado. We all know these things are not normal. Just be sure to note on file at your dealer every time you go in there that the same problem is persisting and if anything happens when warranty runs out they’ll have to fix it regardless for free
I have a stroker 408 in my 69f100 and it MAKES ALL KIND OF SOUNDS
In my 2006 Chevy Tahoe 5.3 natty aspirated. She’s as quiet as a winter evening. Idles like a boss at 900 rpm
Not a tick squeak or hum just that low down dirty purr
And with premium Gas from Chevy with techy
She’s at 90 mph in 5 seconds. I would never trade her in for anything new. Yeah you look smart and sexy in your 22. At what cost ?
It’s probably going to be like the 2002 model that eats engines and heads every 80 to 100k . Less than 200k and on the 2nd engine and 3rd set of heads
If you’re worried about gas engines making funny noises get a DIESEL. Let them know who is boss at pharting.
Ha! Gm won’t put the 6.6 in the 5 vans I’ve ordered in the last 2 years. Now all you losers are stuck with a lemon. I hope GM goes belly up.
My 6.2L begin making strange noises and then – camshaft failed because it was not properly hardened -SAD, SAD, SAD ! Had to replace engine with a rebuilt one.
My 6.2L begin making strange noises and then – lifters and camshaft -SAD, SAD, SAD ! Had to replace engine with a rebuilt one.
Yep they are just hoping no one figures the noises out until the warranty is over. Probably something that will just make it past the warranty and scatter all over the road so they can tell you to eat crap.
This is all fine and dandy until the damn engine locks up on you when you’re three hours from your house. All this within four months of having the oil pump, timing chain, and radiator replaced. You tell me. How is that normal?
Please dont e mail me more than one time a day
Wonder if it sounds like my Whirlpool washer.
I’ve owned 2000 Silverado 1500 since new. Original 4.8 @ 364k miles. I also have an 03 2500 with 6.0 @ 330k miles. 2004 Yukon 8.1 @ 210k. You will never see these long lasting V8s in anything you buy now. Cylinder de activation is absolute garbage. I have the most problems with my 2015 Yukon. Lifter failure and carbon build up on the valves is inexcusable. High pressure fuel pumps failing. Excessive oil consumption on 07-10 models. In my opinion since 2007 GM products are all bling and no bang, driveway princesses. I will never buy a newer GM truck or suv. They are destined to fail and the engineers and executives should be ashamed of themselves for putting out products like that. But instead they’ll continue to get bail outs, bonuses and severances for bowing down to the environmentalists who force everything good out of this country but are the best hypocrites because just because the environment looks ok here doesn’t mean that your not ruining the planet and lives from a remote location. But go ahead and go green, like highlighter green hazardous electric battery waste that still no one knows what to do with. Too dangerous to leave alone for fear of spontaneous combustion and too expensive to recycle properly. Well there’s my daily rant haha. The left are making a great future for all of our children and grandchildren.
Has a 2015 Silverado, tranny burned up before 47k, replaced under warranty. Warranty tranny started going bad at 48k, they fixed that made me buy a radiator because tranny cooler is in radiator. Got rid of truck before 49k. GM is crap, never buy another.
Enjoy your bad engineering and parts.
I got a 50 year old ford that only ticks when ot needs an oil change and runs 50 to 70psi oil pressure. Maybe time to switch brands.
On a serious note I wouldnt be happy about a new Ford or GM sounding like a worn out Hyundai either. I reckon they’re saying it’s normal because they have no idea what it is
The ‘strange noises’ probably are common and considered to be ok because so many different factors such as timing and idle air controls, who knows…
To be clear, my Chevy truck was great until; I replaced the dash cluster for the second time, replaced the left front wheel bearing assembly twice and the right once for ABS sensors, the clutch slave cylinder failed, the screws holding the console on the roof fell out and both brake lines rusted and failed at the same time leaving me with NO BRAKES with a trailer on! Fortunately I had manual transmission and trailer brakes.
It’s too bad, I loved my 2500HD until all of this happened. The high point of the truck was the 6.0L engine… I’ll never buy another Chevy truck.
Listen GM trucks are great until they leave the dealership then your on borrowed time. They are time bombs.
How about the LS1 and all its noises? Piston slap, valvetrain noises , stupid thing sounds like it’s got loose marbles in the cylinders , but I guess this is ” normal” . It’s an embarrassment to drive my LS1 powered car!
I have a 2021 Silverado, running on the highway 55 to 60 mph all the lights came on on my dash, when I got to my building where I work there was a really bad knocking noise, I had the truck towed to the dealer it took them a week when I got it back, they told me they replaced the oil lifters on the left Bank of the engine driver side. My question is the right side is it going to be the same? So from the paperwork I got from the dealer they only replaced eight oil lifters on the left side, they did not touch the right side of the engine. I think it’s time to get rid of it before the warranty is done and I don’t want to get stuck with this repair.
Don’t worry pretty soon you’ll be able to trade your trucks in for some electric pile that can’t carry any cargo or tow anything for more than an hour before you have to stop and charge it for 2. The perfected the V8s about 20 years ago now they’ve been going backwards since. Now they’ll start all over with electric time bombs.
Speaking of EVs. GM asked me to complete a survey and by question 4 the questions were about how I feel about them. Two questions later I got a message reading that I didn’t answer the questions the way they liked so the survey was over. The area where I live is NOT ready for EVs and until I can charge a vehicle as fast as I can pump gas and then drive 500 miles I’m sticking with the Dino juice
YIKES!! I had the check engine light come on the week before a scheduled maintenance appointment for my 2022 Sierra Denali with 9,980 miles on it. It went off for a short time, then came back on the day before the appointment. I took the truck in and alerted the service manager of the issue. After servicing the truck, the technician that worked on it, heard a suspicious engine noise and the check engine light remained on. The diagnostic apparently showed low oil pressure, so they wanted to replace the oil pump. The dealer R&R’d the oil pump, but it didn’t fix the problem, the light remained on. They pulled the oil pan again and found two rod bearings had turned rendering the motor useless. An entire engine replacement was the only fix. Engine ordered, but the dealer has no idea when it will arrive, saying it could take up to two months or longer.
Now it sits at the dealership waiting for a new motor with no idea on when the new one will arrive. Someone mentioned a class action lawsuit. Is that a thing or saber rattling? Anyone have ideas? The price for the truck was 70k plus. Do I stop making payments, no wait…I paid cash! Damn! Am I SOL on this?
What V8 engine is in your denali?
L-87 6.2 Liter V-8.
I can see all the GM engineers with their clipboards QC’ing the 2023 ZR2, after it has been started, and saying to themselves….”THIS is what we want our trucks to sound like”. Mine sounds like pure hell and I regret ever buying it. It looks good and rolls good….that’s about it. I have a 2008 Tundra 5.7 with 230K miles on it and it sounds and drives way better than my brand new $78,000 2023 ZR2. Glad I kept the Toyota.
@Tundra_Guy
To quote you “I have a 2008 Tundra 5.7 with 230K miles on it and it sounds and drives…” let me finish that; “drives like it did when it had 4 miles on it.”
I’ve had one bad Chevy, a 2007. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the truck, good looking, nice features and most of all a stick shift. It was nice for 13K miles then all hell broke loose and GM spent a lot of warranty time and money and never really got fixed. I gave up at 45K. Next truck was another Chevy 2500HD, a 2010 and I figured I had bad luck, that’s all. I ordered it and optioned it almost exactly the same and of course another stick shift. I made it home and when I went to the jobsite the next morning the slave cylinder failed on my way, it had 35 miles on it. I rev matched to shift without using the clutch and called the dealer. I managed to contain my anger telling them I needed it towed and what the problem was and also that my situation was serious because I needed it for work. I got some static from the service department because they said “if there’s any transmission damage it won’t be covered because you shifted without using the clutch and those damages won’t be covered”. I told them I’d already contacted my lawyer which was true, I had given him my credit card to put a $1 retainer on it just in case this escalated because I intended on filing suit if this went sideways. In the end my truck was down almost 3 weeks and the only thing that the dealer offered was a trip to National Rental when I could get a rental van! I took it for the rest of the week all out of pocket. I ended up buying a 2 year used Ford F350 Super Duty the next week. I really didn’t like the Ford for a while but after a month it proved to be an excellent truck. I kept the Chevy for almost 3 years because to be honest I had almost $50K in sunk costs. I had another slave cylinder go a month later, they replaced it and the flywheel, a month later the second replacement slave cylinder went. They replaced the slave, the transmission, the flywheel, pressure plate and clutch disc and that problem finally went away. The rest of my time with that truck was fairly event free but I had it three years and didn’t have the use of it for 8 of those months for mechanical failures. One of my employees got a Tundra and I laughed at his ‘pretend’ truck because I was thinking of the Toyota T100 pickups, funny thing is, he bought his truck a year after I bought my ’07 and you know what? IT’S STILL RUNNING PERFECTLY with just over 300K miles!
I’m still driving my Ford, screw GM.