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17 U.S. States Mulling California’s EV Mandate

A total of seventeen U.S. states are mulling over whether or not to follow California’s lead and implement a total ban on the sale of new gasoline-powered passenger vehicles by 2035 to help drive EV sales.

According to the Associated Press, Washington, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon and Vermont are highly likely to introduce the California-style gas car ban, while the idea is facing more pushback in states like Minnesota and Virginia.

States have the option to follow the lead of the California Air Resources Board, which has federal authority to set its own emissions standards, or they can follow the less stringent federal emissions regulations, Scott Lambert, president of the Minnesota Auto Dealers Association, told the AP. However, Lambert says states cannot pick and choose what they like from each of the two emissions laws, so they will be forced to eventually side with California or the federal government.

CARB officially adopted the Advanced Clean Cars II rule in August, which “establishes a year-by-year roadmap so that by 2035 100 percent of new cars and light trucks sold in California will be zero-emission vehicles,” the regulator said. The law also allows for up to 20 percent of a manufacturer’s portfolio to consist of plug-in hybrid vehicles. Lawmakers expect the ruling to help drive EV sales in the U.S., as other states typically base their emissions regulations on California’s.

GM previously outlined plans to cease sales of new, fossil fuel-powered passenger vehicles by 2035, while 40 percent of the company’s U.S. models will be battery-electric by the end of 2025. The Cadillac brand will be the first GM-owned entity to switch to a full EV portfolio, with the luxury automaker set to phase out ICE vehicles from its lineup by 2030.

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  1. I hope California also has a plan to update their power grid by 2035 to support the increased demand for electricity.

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    1. You can make a safe bet that the idiots running California have no such plan. Instead, they will continue begging for and buying power from other States like they do today and still cannot meet their demands. Time to end California’s tyranny about what the rest of us can and cannot drive and own.

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      1. As a matter of fact. Just yesterday we received an alert to reduce AC use and EV charging between 4PM & 9PM.

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        1. They’ll have to do odd even days to recharge or week to week, get ready to be controlled on how you go somewhere, Saudi’s already did this in cheap cars to make people ride pubic transportation and looks like California will be the test pilot program

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  2. Why Can’t other states pick and choose? if California can set it’s own standards, why can’t every state do the same thing?
    (I’m not from the US, so legit I don’t understand)

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    1. Every state can, but it doesn’t make much sense for auto manufacturers to make a multiple models to suit each state’s regulations. What ends up happening is auto makers tend to cater to the larger states with the strictest rules.

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      1. Yet, Massachusetts and NY are not huge car buying stares. Almost half of people in NY use public transit and close to that in Mass due to Boston. If states like Virginia and Wisconsin leave, carb is neutered.

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      2. We can’t even keep our air conditioners running out here without rolling blackouts… how are we going to supply power to 20M+ EVs? Wishful thinking!

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      3. Couldn’t Manufacturers just make EV’s for the states that want to push them, and efficient ICE and hybrids for the states that know it just doesn’t work for everyone?
        Just my thoughts.
        Sunny California making rules for Montana seems kinda dumb.
        I see the same issue in Canada.

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    2. Legally, the California code is more restrictive than the national standard, so cars are required to meet EPA standards. California is saying that in order to sell cars in their states, they have additional regulations to follow. Think of it like a fire code. If the fire marshal says you need 2 doors and a maximum capacity of 150, a business is totally in its power to say they will provide 4 doors and a limit of 100.

      However, to mandate that all vehicles are BEV’s might actually be illegal. It violates the interstate commerce act as well as consumer protection laws, but that would be for the Supreme Court to decide, and it’s more than likely that this Supreme Court would throw out the interstate commerce act altogether.

      The only good thing about this is that these states will jump ship, and we might actually start a talk about the point of the EPA. It’s not to tell you what you can and can’t buy.

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    3. Easy, more often than not it is typical Political Procedure. When not facing election, contemporary presidents and members of Congress routinely ignore the public’s policy preferences and follow their own political philosophies, as well as those of their party’s activists, their contributors, and their interest group allies. Politicians devote substantial time, effort, and money to tracking public opinion, not for the purposes of policymaking, but to change public opinion—to determine how to craft their public statements and actions to win support for the policies they and their supporters want.

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  3. Just so everyone knows; California has a problem with energy storage. California produces about 65% of their energy from Renewables! Only problem is where do you store that energy, when it’s produced in Excess, and can be deployed during peak usage times.

    People talk about California’s power grid, yet fail to mention how Texas’ grid failed last year in February as it was ran by companies that put profits above Grid Endurance and Stress tests.

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    1. Texas is also the only state that’s isolated from the rest of the country’s grid. There’s no failsafe connection out of the state in case of emergency.

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      1. But that’s their problem. Unfortunate for the residents of Texas though.

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      2. I see this all the time. You are just plain WRONG. TX connects to the eastern and western grids via DC ties. The same way the eastern and western grids tie. You didn’t think it was one massive AC grid did YOU. I haven’t looked today, but TX routinely imports/exports a couple of GW of power. Routinely. The BIG difference between the TX grid and the rest of the US is the MANAGEMENT is delegated to ERCOT and they control it. You really should at least look it up in wiki before posting false info. If you are interested in reality, just go to ercot’s site, ercot dot com and see for yourself. They post grid conditions dynamically and how much is imported/exported all day every day. I am in no way forgiving the disaster of 2021, I was without power for 6 days. But half of the CF was the city of Austin failed to trim the trees. My power COULD have been on after 3 days, but Austin Energy failed to maintain their lines. It just annoys me how there are all these one line sound bites from both sides. Energy is complicated. Very complicated and cannot be summed up in a tw*tter message.

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        1. I can say for sure we in North Dakota sell power to the TX grid (one of them). When Texas had their freezing problem with their natural gas plants we had to experience staggered outages while we sent our power to their grid. It was Winter and below zero temp. It was quit disrupting. Thankfully the outages were only a half hour at a time, but still ridiculous that they had to buy power from all the way up here. ND makes a ton of power and exports quite a bit, especially wind power. Other states want green power so they put up windmills by the hundreds and build lines to export. All to say they are green, while we have to deal with windmills everywhere. I am for renewables, but windmills are obnoxious to see all over our beautiful countryside. The uS needs to plan better and put up windmills and solar farms in unpopulated areas, like the desserts and offshore.

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          1. Nuclear is the answer.

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            1. I’m sure Russia feels the same about Ukraine…

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    2. California also imports much of their energy from surrounding states. A strained grid would be fatal to California if all of the sudden they’re only operating on 70% grid capacity.

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  4. Message to the other 49 states. I have lived in California for 44 years and take it from me, don’t follow what this state is doing. The only good thing about this state is the weather. That is it.

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    1. So true. Specifically So. Cal weather.

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  5. California is unique in that the solar/green energy/EV movement can HELP a bit because the state has enough intense sunlight. Texas could go green a bit too. For MOST other states, especially the northern part of the US, green tech is actually a net LOSS for carbon and money. There is WAY more to it than I’m not going to type out here. The bottom line is that what will work in some states will NOT work in other states and what works vs what doesn’t can even be much more local than a statewide solution.

    It would be great if the auto industry and other industries would realize this instead of trying to fit a one size fits all solution.

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    1. gm and Ford are too “woke” to do that.

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      1. Has anybody considered the mandatory building and sanitary codes for residential, commercial and industrial sanitary sewer vent stacks on roofs and pipes discharging explosive and toxic bio methane from human discharge in sanitary sewer systems into the atmosphere?

        Forget about field livestock methane discharge.

        The myriad sewage treatment ponds and digesters emitting methane? Ocean floor natural gas and oil seeps? Thousands of commercial jet engines flying at any given moment? Ocean carriers and their huge IC engines? The vast amount of Class 8 diesel trucks operating at any given moment?

        And we are hot on electric cars. ???

        Note to Californians and Washingtonians, please stop cooking, eating and drinking. And for that matter consuming because everything comes off the back of class 8 trucks.

        Hello. Are your foreheads warm? Time for a reality check folks.

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    2. I watch the TX ercot power summary site frequently. Problem I am seeing is in high power demand times, the wind has been dying. I’ve seen wind/solar hit close to 30GW when demand is in the 50’s in spring/fall. Problem I see is often when demand is in the high 70’s(summer) during the day, wind dies and we get around 12GW when the 30 would be really nice. So what happens is the peaker plants kick in and burn fossil. So in summer and winter as well, car charging is likely to be from fossil sources for a long time to come.

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    3. Solar is also only 15-25% thermally efficient. It’s a terrible source of power. Better to plant a field and convert to biofuel. Chlorophyll is 86% efficient

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  6. Don’t drink the Green Kool-Aid. Colorado is now taking control of residents smart thermostats to control energy usage. EV cars will be next.

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    1. Don’t forget the government will add GPS trackers for a road use tax to replace the lost gas revenues.

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    2. Just say no, stick to an old school thermostat!

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      1. Carl Marx,
        I don’t remember the Government forcing me to change thermostats.

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    3. Is that flavor watermelon, lime, or green apple? 😉

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  7. What is amazing to me is how so many people lack common sense, especially in Liberal run cities. Do they not know what is going around them or are they that inept or just ill informed.
    .

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    1. It is not just the libs in the cities but even many conservatives have no clue how bad things are going to get in the near future. EV cars are nothing compared you them tracking your carbon foot print and then making you pay a fine if you are over. This will follow everything from what you do, how you travel to how you eat.

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      1. Which is why I drive a carbureted V8

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  8. 12 of these 17 are pretty much will follow California as they have similar government carb regulations.

    The truth is the automakers have little say in this. They are investing in the change as they are generally powerless no pun intended to stop this. At this point they are trying to lobby for breaks like rebates and the like. They are no woke as much as held hostage.

    The other issue is this is not just about American Government anymore. If you want the Democratic party they are working to turn this over to a global group to decide what we drive, how cold our AC will be and even what we will eat. You have not seen anything yet.

    There is a utility already changing home thermostats to suit their needs in customers homes. It was nearly 100 degrees and they turned up the stats to 80 degrees.

    Best to read up on the United Nations Climate Conference and how they want to dictate to America what we can and can’t do. Biden is all for this as was Obama. This will impact our GNP and our economy in negative ways while China keeps on polluting. This is all about dismantling the American Economy.

    The least of your worries will be EV cars.

    Just look up all the liberal celebrities’ that are promoting eating bugs. They say now giving up meat for bugs will save the planet?

    So lighten up on the automakers as they are just looking to survive all this BS. It will not be long before you will be tracked for your carbon foot print and you will be penalized for going over your allotted amounts by the folks flying in their private jets. This will be part of the enforcement IRS people they just voted for.

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    1. It is going to get very interesting in Europe this winter. I’m not saying this to be funny either, but I envision people huddling together in large dormitories not completely unlike penguins at the poles. It is going to be bad. I’m already seeing more cuts to things like Al smelters as those are pretty high energy users. The LHC has a plan already in case they get cut. The bad thing about the smelters is if you turn it “off” completely, it can take a year to bring it up again. Fertilizer plants have also been taken off line as feedstock is Nat Gas.

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      1. The home heat will be covered. Much of it was not great anyways.

        Growing crops and fertilizer is going to be the one thing that could be a major issue.

        I expect the States and Canada will step up Nat Gas production and exports. We have it but how soon will Biden react to their needs.

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    2. They already mentioned a 50% tax on meat. They won’t stop with EVs.

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  9. Everyone should be pushing back. EV’s only have a specific use case: urban usage in a warm climate.

    Everywhere else is BS. Trying to force everyone is BS.

    Additionally, electricity isn’t free. There is no extensive charging network. The power grid can’t handle it (California is already mandating when people can or cannot charge their EV’s). Mining battery resources is more polluting. Manufacturing batteries is more polluting. Disposal of batteries is more polluting.

    The only current real solution is going hybrid, while improving solar, battery and hydrogen fuel cell technology.

    Full stop gasoline is just plain dumb.

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    1. It’s not full stop gasoline. California and other states are only banning the sale of NEW gasoline powered cars by 2035. I assume diesel will be affected too, but we can drive our fossil fuel powered cars for as long as we can find fuel and parts to keep them running. I certainly intend to, or at least until the lure of the unlimited power and economy of a hybrid or plug-in electric car overwhelms me. I’m a racer and a gearhead. I own gas and diesel cars and trucks, most of them GM, and have rebuilt my share of ICE’s and race engines. But I’m not going to get nostalgic for mufflers, connecting rods, and oil changes, just as my ancestors didn’t get nostalgic for horse-drawn carriages and shoveling horse poo.

      This isn’t just about “saving the planet”. This is about moving on to faster and better cars. We went to the moon in far less time, so yes, we can do this!

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      1. Who the hell are politicians to tell us what “better cars” are?

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  10. I am extremely happy that my birth state New York is following the California mandate. New York City was one of the first places on Earth that had electric cars and charging booths (look it up). At one year there were more electrics than gasoline engine cars, mostly for women who could not crank the engines .
    Ironically, an event involving a gentleman helping a woman crank the stalled engine of her car was the Spark to make the starter, which is an electric motor! So if it wasn’t for that event, we would be driving electrics for over a century. We are now back to the past going on toward electricity, and I am glad!

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  11. As for all the naysayers, you want electric cars indirectly as you cannot start a gasoline engine without an electric motor, so just remove the engine with all its attached items, and make the motor and battery move the car. Simpler and cleaner!

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  12. If EVs are so wonderful, let them take over the market without banning ICE powertrains. Let the people decide what they drive, not the politicians!

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  13. Each and every State’s residents should be up in arms and highly disturbed by this further example of California Tyranny about what you can or cannot own and drive. KBB research tells us the average price of an EV vs. a comparable ICE vehicle is $19,000.00 MORE EXPENSIVE and then there are all the drawbacks and so-secret limitations to being stuck owning an EV. Enjoy having some bureaucrat in California dictating to you that you will be “required” to fork over $19,000.00 MORE for any new vehicle in 2035 because they say so ? Rise up, wake up and contact your State’s Legislature and tell them to tell California’s tyrants to go to Hades !

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  14. These states that are mandating this EV stuff is wrong! We the citizens should be able to buy what we want! They just want to control our lives that’s the bottom line!

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  15. The nine most terrifying words in the English launguage are, “I”m from the Government and I’m here to help.”

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  16. I couldn’t care less what California does….. 2035? 13 years away? California won’t exist by then – at the rate they are going….

    Texas is getting too many WOKE areas – probably the result of Californication – the result of former Californians bringing their dopey nonsense to their new State…

    The reason why California and Texas have any power problems AT ALL is due to arbitrary DOPEY policies…. I’ve explained them in the past but no one wants to read about them here.

    If things get too bad, looks to me like the Republic of TEXAS will exist once again…. Those people will clean up whatever crap they come up with in the interim.

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  17. Thinking logically has been known to cause cancer in California.

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  18. Oh please three days after Their Governor, sorry can’t type his hateful name, announced the 2035 mandate the state tells people do not charge your electric vehicles between the hours of 4pm to 10pm. Today blackouts occurring and this Radical Governor still pushing E vehicles! An absolute joke.

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