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Washington State To Follow California’s Ban Of New ICE Car Sales

Washington will follow California’s lead and implement laws banning the sale of fossil fuel-powered vehicles by 2035, Governor Jay Inslee announced on Twitter last week.

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) officially adopted the Advanced Clean Cars II rule last Thursday, which “establishes a year-by-year roadmap so that by 2035 100 percent of new cars and light trucks sold in California will be zero-emission vehicles,” the regulator said. The law’s implementation is expected to help drive EV sales in the U.S., as other states typically base their emissions regulations on California’s.

Inslee said Washinton would implement the California-style emissions regs within the next four months.

“This is a critical milestone in our climate fight,” he said. “Washington set in law a goal for all new car sales to be zero emissions by 2030 and we’re ready to adopt California’s regs by end of this year,” Inslee tweeted.”

While the California law is touted as a ban on all internal combustion engine cars, it allows for up to 20 percent of a manufacturer’s portfolio to consist of plug-in hybrid vehicles. This means ICE vehicles will still be sold in states with this law past 2035, but they will have to feature a hybrid powertrain with a plug-in battery.

In addition to Washington, Massachusetts has also said that it will adopt the California-style regulations, banning the sale of new ICE vehicles by 2035 there, as well.

“Once again California is leading the nation and the world with a regulation that sets ambitious but achievable targets for ZEV sales,” CARB chairperson Liane Randolph said in a statement. “Rapidly accelerating the number of ZEVs on our roads and highways will deliver substantial emission and pollution reductions to all Californians, especially for those who live near roadways and suffer from persistent air pollution.”

GM previously outlined plans to cease sales of new, fossil fuel-powered passenger vehicles by 2035, while 40 percent of the company’s U.S. models will be battery-electric by the end of 2025. The Cadillac brand will be the first GM-owned entity to go all-electric, with the luxury automaker set to phase out ICE vehicles from its portfolio by 2030.

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  1. Before you do 9 more stories there are 11 states total looking to put this in and they ac Lunt for 1/3 of all sales.

    There may be a court fight but odds are slim it will be won.

    Might do everyone sone good to get the entire story vs doing this state by state as they fall.

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    1. these folks who support such ideas should be put in a straight jacket and committed to the nearest mental facility…. for years they have come up with such things as “ACID RAIN” “OZONE HOLE” “GL OBAL WARMING”., that is til they changed to the all inclusive “CLIMATE CHANGE”.. to fix the problem just remove all the gov.t funds they recieve for such rot and you will never hear from this self driving 80,000 lb battery powered truck again

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    2. The governor of Virginia was on TV last night. He said in January he will start the process to repeal the law in his state.

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  2. Electric vehicles are OK for people who drive in a city but people who live in rural areas or who have to travel long distances and live in cold climate areas they aren’t practical and could be dangerous for them especially during cold weather when it gets into the teens or below zero.

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    1. Lets see the Governments be a good example and move totally to EV right now! You can bet traveling around their States will stop.

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    2. They are not a cost effective option for city driviers, unless you are comparing a Chevy bolt to a BMW M5, which is ludicrous. Many inner city communities buy economical and used cars. EV are not these.

      What this is about is power, and it will drive possibly California away from socialism and at least some of the other 10 states that follow californias lead. At the end of the day it may only be Washington, New York and Massachusetts that are left standing on this. And Washington will probably see the farmers in the eastern half change their address to Idaho and and just commute with thier Idaho registered duramax dually

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    3. The are planning on 20 percent of motor vehicles can be Plug in hybrids, maybe those are for rural areas.

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    4. Here in the Northeast, we have the highest electric rates in the US. The city I live next to has a population of over 200K, and a lot of people live in 3 decker housing built at the turn of the century. They have lower incomes and have to park in the street. All they can afford is used transportation which means an older EV with probably the original battery. And how do you charge the thing at the curb? I don’t see how this is a good deal for lower income city people where I live.

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  3. Yeah, it’s easy for someone to say that, but I doubt that will happen.

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  4. Yes, there are states in the US that are actually planning on telling you what you can and can’t drive.

    Take a few minutes and allow that to thoroughly sink in.

    Somewhere, Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, Che Guevara, Pol Pot and Mao Tse-Tung are smiling.

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    1. California- or any other state- should not have been given the right to dictate to the rest of the country what cars should be bought. I am sure this provision was courtesy of Richard Nixon a native Californian. I feel that if this is challenged in today’s Supreme Court, it will be overturned.

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  5. Not surprised, just CA wannabes. Sure glad I live in a free red state where I can make my own choices and buy what I want.

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    1. Geez, quite the leap there, GMC Fanatic.

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    2. What the heck is that?? I’m sick of this. Is it really that frequent of problem of needing to stop a pregnancy that you don’t have time to drive to a neighboring state? Well I guess it would require a few stops to recharge your EV… and that’s just not convenient!

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    3. Washington state: commie see commie do.

      Good news is that Virginia is ready to do away with the California standard the previous administration adopted.

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      1. Michigan is one step behind virginia

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      2. Good

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  6. wow!
    so much for all those tree-hugging subaru buyers that voted these idiots in!

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  7. Radical Liberal mental illness is rampant on the Left Coast. This is just another example.

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  8. So much hate.

    States are going down a path that they believe will help to reduce climate change and improve the the overall lives of their residents. Let’s put the blinders on and just hate because you won’t be able to buy that supercharged V8. Absolutely ridiculous and entirely selfish.

    Can’t wait to hear the complaining when a full sized truck will start at $100k for that v8 that you refuse to give up.

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    1. Turbo diesel for me, cheaper overall and more convenient than an EV. Enjoy your EV’s, once you all convert, liquid fuel demand will drop as will the price and hello $2 gas and $2.50 diesel!

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      1. Actually I think the price of ga/diesel will rise significantly since there won’t be the demand anymore. Just follow everything else that has been reduced the cost goes up. I am very anti EV THINK ALL THESE CAR companies are in collusion and have EV blinders on

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        1. Remember China owns most of the rare earth minerals being mined. Is there enough rare earth minerals for a world running on batteries? The electric grid can’t support everyone if they own electric vehicles. When you plug in, what source is making your electricity? If government is forcing you to do something; instead of allowing market forces to create change. What could go wrong?

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          1. just like the vaccine jab, forced on us by the Govt. Now people are dying from the vaccine at large rates. But of course this is all hush hush in the media. Can’t let the sheep know they were duped by their Govt.

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            1. The virus kills people not the vaccine. No one forces you to get the vaccine. Unvaccinated people are the ones who can carry the virus and spread it to others. Wake up!!

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              1. “No one forces you to get the vaccine”.

                You’re joking, right? How many people have lost their jobs or military credentials and standing due to “not being forced”.

                Not to mention the harassment and guilt power plays by you lefties….

                All while the vaccinated still get Covid as easily as anyone else….

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                1. Please do some research and you will understand why I said ” no one forces…”
                  A lot of people lost their jobs because they quit. They refused to be vaccinated.
                  Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said “It’s about a military medical requirement to keep them safe, to keep their family safe, to keep their units safe.” Most of your military is vaccinated.
                  Again do some research and you will be well informed.
                  BTW I’m not a leftie or a rightie and I’ve never harassed anyone my whole life. Just because SOME vaccinated people still can get the virus doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. It may save your life.

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              2. Do you realize that vaccinated people are still getting Covid? If I’m not mistaken Brandon has gotten it twice and he is fully vaccinated and boosted. I believe your misinformed.

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                1. Eric
                  “Now people are dying from the vaccine at large rates.”
                  I was responding to galen issac. That is his statement. I repeat ,the vaccine does not cause the virus. I never said anything about the vaccinated people not getting the virus. Of course they can this is well known. But vaccinated people are less likely to get the virus. Unvaccinated people are the problem. You know 68% of Americans are vaccinated.

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        2. You think that the rest of the world won’t be making gas?????

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      2. Emissions from diesel engines contribute to the production of ground-level ozone which damages crops, trees and other vegetation. Also produced is acid rain, which affects soil, lakes and streams and enters the human food chain via water, produce, meat and fish.

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        1. Diesel emissions are higher. But new diesels are half the displacement of similar output gasoline engines, and they get 25% or better mpg (depending on what platform it’s built on). Diesel emissions have been extensively tightened to the point that the new ones produce zero particulate matter, no soot, no carbon monoxide. But they do produce CO2 and small amounts of NOx. NOx has an long half life, about 100yrs, give or take. That is smog and also why NOx is so bad, it just doesn’t break down. CO2 has about half the life of NOx. The latest emission standards have resulted in very low NOx production from Diesel engines. The allowable limits will again be cut in half every couple years going forward.

          https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases

          CO2 is less of a factor when you take into account that you need considerably less fuel to produce the same power/energy as a gasoline engine at the same output. It would be interesting to see the comparison of a GM truck with a 6.2 gas engine and one with a 3.0 liter diesel and see the carbon outputs compared per KW of power. I’m not a scientist so I won’t try to provide that exact number.

          It needs to be looked at with a wider lens, especially with commercial trucks. How much CO2 does it take to move 50,000 lbs per 100 miles with a new efficient diesel semi tractor trailer versus the carbon emissions needed to produce the KWh needed to move the same freight the same 100miles.
          Emissions need to be tracked all the way from building the batteries, including mining the rare earth metals, and what energy source is used to charge the battery. Just the same as emissions produced from extracting and refining oil into diesel fuel.

          My point is what seems to be so clean within a snapshot of time doesn’t tell the whole story. We need to make decisions based on whole life of a vehicle, which includes manufacturing and refueling or recharging.
          I don’t know what vehicles this zero emission law all encompasses, but the case is clear for passenger cars and light trucks that only drive 150 miles per day. Heavy duty trucks are still a crapshoot. Regional hauls that allow the truck to recharge every night will work good, but long haul trucks will not work with current batteries and charging requirements.

          We need to be open to the fact that we cannot apply a blanket policy to all forms of transportation, we will always have to allow some use of combustion engines. I hope people can understand that just because you see no exhaust from your car, it can be equal or even worse for the environment depending on energy source. We can’t have “real” clean cars until the grid is powered by renewable fuel or nuclear energy. We don’t have any way of making a RELIABLE grid with current tech. We would need enormous batteries to stabilize the grid if it’s all from intermittent wind or solar sources. We can’t make more hydro dams, and many are coming off line due to wildlife concerns. We are also taking nuclear plants offline too. So I am afraid of the growing pains we will have because of forced regulations. We do need something to push the industry away from fossil fuels, but I think an all-out ban is not wise. We should incentivize and let the transition happen naturally over a couple decades, otherwise bad things and unforeseen consequences will be a reality.

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    2. I won’t go as far as saying “hate”.

      Personally, I think that it is more along the lines of US citizens wanting to make their own decisions instead of having their government telling them what they can and cannot purchase when it comes to transportation.

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      1. While “hate” mayb be extreme specific to you, for many that is a very accurate term. Actions to take away our democracy over the past few years support how much hate exists.

        While I dislike govt intervention, I completely understand the importance of such intervention to benefit the nation as a whole. What do you think the Grand Canyon or Yosemite would look like today if the govt hadn’t created the national park system and taken control of the land for the benefit of the people? What chaos would occur on roadways if there were no speed limits, or if people could just shoot at any driver who disagreed with another?

        The actions of many require govt intervention. So instead of focusing on the negative, think about how this can benefit the nation as a whole. Plus, you still have 13 years to buy a new gas vehicle before your selections disappear.

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        1. What’s next GMC Fanatic? Taking away steak & red meat? Potatoes? Anything that the left doesn’t like (which is just about everything these days)? Anything deemed to be in violation of “Government Edict”?

          Can’t believe you’re so damned willing to buy into MORE government…

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        2. @ GMC Fan

          I cannot imagine wanting my country’s government telling me which type of vehicle I am permitted to purchase, but if that is what you are looking for, I certainly respect your opinion. To each their own.

          I work hard for my money as a civil engineer and I want to spend my money as I see fit. Having politicians banning items that they do not agree with is un-American. Both my Camaro SS and C7 GS are “weekend fun cars” that sit in my garage ~85% of the year, but when I want to take them out and have a good time, I will do so. I’m sure that you’re extremely upset that neither get 60 MPG, but it is what it is. You take care of you and I’ll take care of me.

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    3. Umm CO2 does nothing to you. Its vital for life on earth. The US has some the cleanest air in the world. This will not change the climate one bit, if anything it will cause destruction of the environment by mining for precious metals. Climate and environment are two different things. One we can destroy the other… Climate we have no control over.

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      1. True Joe!!!

        Current concentration of C02 is 350PPM…. That literally rounds to 0% of our atmosphere. How can 0% of the atmosphere cause a drastic change in the climate????? I’ve been asking “scientists” this for years…. Crickets

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      2. CO2 has proven to be a significant contributor to air pollution, taking a substantial role in the greenhouse effect. That’s because carbon dioxide traps radiation at the ground level, resulting in ground-level ozone. That prevents the earth from cooling during the night and warms ocean waters.

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    4. In reality, most people could care less about climate change especially when you are asking them to give up something the POS politicians have no plans to.

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    5. Ok, you can’t have a pro-abortion comment and then lecture others about being selfish.

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    6. You go first. Stop flying and vacationing, stop using electricity, and for Pete’s sake, stop with your meat eating and gaseous expulsions.

      When you think your government is infallible, it’s time for some serious self-examination.

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    7. So now disagreement is hate?

      You lefties just love to throw that word around, especially when it comes to any form of debate that challenges your mighty self-righteousness.

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  9. Importing late model used ICE’s from free red states might become big business!

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  10. Let California have all the electric vehicles so they can shut the grid down good no water no electricity that’s how smart they are . Take your ev and stick them where the sun don’t shine

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  11. The land of fruits and nuts

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  12. Instead of a California exodus. We’ll have a left coast exodus. I pity the Californians that moved to Washington state.

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    1. Crippling taxes, sanctuary cities, local government that (more or less) tells you when to breathe and how much oxygen you’re permitted to consume, lackadaisical crime laws, etc., etc., etc..

      No thank you. It’s no wonder that many people are leaving said states in short order.

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  13. It’s as if some members of government are trying to out do each other seeing who can be the “Greenest”. This will cause costs of automobiles to skyrocket by forcing all companies to have EV versions of all their major market vehicles. Ironically by trying to fix a long term problem the left is being myopic again. Mandating requirements that we currently cannot support. It’s as if they think things will just magically work out to their will. We are going full speed at this EV thing whilst still being in the infancy of battery technology. Has anyone done the calculation of current fuel consumption and convert it to KWH? Ultimately most of daily gasoline sales will have to be equivalently replaced with electrons. No one has shown how this is going to logically happen – only hard deadlines. This will force manufacturers to rush development and there will be many different battery technologies put into cars that will be out of date and hard to replace when the pack deteriorates. Stop being short sighted, and patting yourself on the back trying to be the climate justice warrior. EV’s are great for the city… but you city dwellers forget that there is a huge part of the US that can’t adopt this without being seriously set back.

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    1. Part of the fact has to do with Ford and gm not having any balls. They should fight for the right for their customers to be able to purchase the type of vehicle they want- whether it be an EV, ICE, or hybrid. Instead, they have the heads so far up Newsome’s and BIden’s backside they need a flashlight to see. Charlie Wilson of GM in the 1950s famously said “What’s good for GM is good for America, and vice versa.” At the time they were commanding 50%+ of the market, customers were happy and GM towns were happy. Now gm is commanding less than a third of that market and is again dictating to the customer what they are going to buy- ala Roger Smith. I think that Ford is in an even worse position by the wholesale abandonment of large market segments. I would not be surprised to see Ford now competing with Honda and Huyndai for market share instead of gm, Stellantis, and Toyota.

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  14. Honestly, I hope all of the people here can take ur head out of ur a**. No matter how much you b**ch and complain the automotive industry in changing, just like it went from electric to gasoline in the early 1900s. And If you think electric is worse for the environment take a look around. Bring it on negative comments!!!

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    1. I see this as the same type of management myopia that almost doomed Ford and gm in 2008. Anytime any company takes its fingers off the pulse of the customer, bad things will happen.

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    2. I don’t think most people think electric cars are “worse” or bad for the environment. I think most people just don’t buy the story that they are so much better than combustion. Until we build a green grid, and that will be decades, EV’s just aren’t that much better. They are awesome in cities but will have serious trouble for the Great Plains and Midwest. So going all-in on EV with laws while EV’s are basically in the cradle, seems to be a bit foolish. We are forcing ourselves into a pure EV future, when we don’t even know if that is the best way. The best way is by measuring total emissions from cradle to grave, because that is the only true way to help the environment. We need Nuclear fission and hopefully nuclear Fusion in the near future to come on line for base load power to the grid. How long will it take to build new power plants? I hope they are being permitted right now. Will we force ourselves into fast tracking unproven power generation technology to meet these deadlines?

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  15. Matt
    You are absolutely right. Tigger says it best. Most people could care less about the environment because they are uninformed. A little basic research will tell you a lot. Science doesn’t lie. Have a look at Columbia climate school and my answer to Steven and Joe.
    The three countries with the highest CO2 emissions are: China with 9.9 billion tonnes of CO2 emissions, largely due to the export of consumer goods and its heavy reliance on coal; The United States with 4.4 billion tonnes of CO2 emitted; India with 2.3 billion tonnes of CO2 emitted.

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    1. It’s all a moot point if China isn’t doing anything to curb CO2. Why the hell should I or any other person sacrifice for a “climate emergency” when the largest polluter does not?

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      1. Because its the thing to do. I’ve been doing it for over 52 years. Its simple. Use your car less if you can, use public transport, ride a bike or walk.
        Just because the Chinese are slow doesn’t mean you cant do it. BTW the Chinese have started to curb by going electric. They’re not perfect but they will get there. Worry about your own country. I’m guessing you don’t read much. There is a wealth of very good info if you look for it.
        You seem to be living in negativity from what I read when you comment. Try a little positivity. It might surprise you.

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        1. If it’s the “thing to do” why are the politicians who are pushing this crap not doing it?

          It is a bad idea to have faith in any communist country.

          Re public transportation, there is not any nearby me and it is too far for me to walk to work. Even if there were, I prefer my own personal mode of transportation that is always available, is clean, cool in the summer and warm in the winter.

          Actually I am a positive person, but I get very angry when government tries to tell me how to live my life.

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          1. “…I get very angry when government tries to tell me how to live my life.”

            It’s the same thing liberals try to do on an hourly basis. All about control, feeling good about themselves, and self-proclaimed moral superiority.

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          2. How do you know that they aren’t doing it? When did the US become communist? Where do you get this stuff?

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  16. When will the presidential limo be all electric?

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    1. Do as i say, not as I do.

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  17. I would like to know how they dispose of all the old batteries that no longer keep a charge. I had read awhile back about a family that had bought their daughter a used electric car and the battery needed to be replaced and it would cost more than they paid for the car and then they found out that particular battery was no longer made. And who’s going to install all these charging stations that will be needed to charge the batteries and what strain is the electric grid going under when you have a million cars charging at the same time and with the drought that’s been going in the west on how are they going to generate enough electricity to charge them.

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    1. There are already companies in the US and Canada that can recycle batteries. As for the family that bought a used EV sorry but I don’t feel for their problem. They obviously didn’t do their homework and probably the dealer saw a way to screw them. No wonder people don’t like dealerships.
      Not everyone will go electric tomorrow so charging will not be a problem. Within 5 to 10 years batteries will change and will probably use much less electricity. Storage of power will also change.

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      1. That’s the point though isn’t it, we are betting on infrastructure, chargers and battery chemistry to all magically come online “in a few years”.
        I really hope it does. I hope. But that is the problem of legislating things that don’t exist, or wont work today. We do this all the time with emission standards, but this is an emission standard of zero…

        I am lucky because my state will never adopt this until it’s federal law. It can’t be federal law until technology is proven to exist and is easily available for all. The economic impact (negative) of outlawing combustion engines would be absolutely devastating in my state. I agree and love EV’s, but they are only one of many solutions for reducing carbon output.

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    2. there will be shootings over charging stations. You can count on it. When someone pulls up and there is already someone using it, and they have 30 more min. to go on their charge, and someone can’t wait that long, there will be fights over who gets to use the charger first. anyone who thinks this will not happen is a fool.

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      1. Of course. You are a gun crazy country. Decent people don’t do things like that. Another positive fool.

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        1. “Gun crazy country”. Actually, we’re not. However, we are adamant about self and family protection, and you’re not. That’s your prerogative (or should I say your government’s prerogative).

          Your media is lying to you about “gun crazy”.

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  18. These idiots that go along with whatever this administration says go ahead when you can’t get electricity to charge your piece of junk and you can’t have ac enjoy and stop feeding your face because diesel is what runs this country jackass

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  19. To all you crying about democracy, nobody was complaining when you couldn’t buy an electric vehicle. Seems one sided to me.

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  20. I never said anything about how you conduct your life. I’m not afraid of guns. I’m afraid of people who have guns that kill people for no reason. You have lots of them.
    BTW I don’t follow any government.

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  21. One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is the effect electric vehicles will have on the tourist industry during the summer months when people go on vacations. It will put the hurt on our national parks and state parks because people won’t be able to travel to them because the battery charge won’t last for people who are traveling long distances to get to them plus, I don’t see the park systems putting in charging stations at their campgrounds. And let’s not forget about people who stay in hotels and motels and amusement parks like Disney Land and Disney World and other big amusement parks like them that draw thousands of people a day and you how many charging stations they will need for that many electric vehicle’s which will increase the cost of admission and other amenities at amusement parks. So, I wish you good luck with banning fossil-fueled powered vehicles.

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  22. Got a news flash. California residents are being asked to reduce electrical usage between 4 & 9 PM due to demand and less Solar energy. Households are asked to do the following:
    – Set thermostats to 78 degrees or higher.
    – Avoid using large appliances.
    And my favorite … – Avoid charging electric vehicles.

    That’s right. The government that is Banning ICEs, if asking to avoid charging your EV. Sri Lanka here we come!

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  23. I pretty much read through almost all the comments on this Thread.
    What I take away is that somehow Politics got into the way we view vehicles somehow which is literally the most insane thing ever. Government has and will always be making decisions on what you drive. That has never changed and it will NEVER EVER Change no matter who is in office. Do you think Automakers would be making 1500 Pickup Trucks that can get almost 30 MPG’s without the Government forcing them to do so?
    This is a Car enthusiast website a(For GM Fans) and the overall knowledge about this industry is maddening sometimes.
    I do not come here to find out what everyones Political leanings are as I could care less. But I live by facts and if some here cannot handle facts then that is on you to figure it out I guess. If you know anything about the Automotive Sector then you would know that pretty much whatever California says pretty much becomes concrete within the US Automotive Industry. It has pretty much always been the case
    It is by far and away the Biggest Economyc in the USA (Number Five in the Entire World if it was a Country) and by far the biggest Automotive Market in the USA. I sometimes sit back and wonder for all those crying out loud about all these changes taking place how you must have felt moving away from your tiny little flip phones to a Smart Phone?
    Was anyone complaining about keeping the Old Tech? I would wager very few.
    Change in the Auto Industry has been and will always be constant…..Sorry to those that cannot handle or just even accept it as fact. Who knows what Techlogogy will be powering cars in 100 years….wonder if Millenials will be freaking out as much to save the Batteries and screw the Liberals and or the Far Right for changing what we drive.
    If you want an ICE (I get it if some do) then you have 13 years in California and every other State which will follow suit to make whatever arrangements you find to be necessary for yourself. This isn’t that difficult.

    And a side note to everyone complaining about the Infrastructure and what about Rural areas. I have one quick question for you…..How was the Infrastructure when the Auto Industry flipped from Battery Electric vehicles to Gasoline powered vehicles when there was absolutely zero Gas Stations? The sales started and then the Infrastructure followed correct?
    Why does everyone think that current Tech in BEV’s is what will be in 10 years? It makes absolutely zero sense.
    It is like telling me that the C8 is the same vehicle as the C6…..again, makes zero sense!!!
    A Tesla Model S from 8 years ago might as well be viewed as the Ford Model T when compared to the current Tesla Model S
    And that is just 8 years apart from each other even while Tesla is using their Original Battery Cells and NOT their All New 4680 Cell. So just imagine what Tesla could still do to make the Model S even much more Technologically superior.
    I have always stated here that Technology doesn’t wait for anyone….never has and never will.
    BEV’s will follow the S-Curve as all new Disruptive Tech does and one day you will wake up and not understand how so many BEV’s are on the road.
    I am not trying to sound Preachy here or convince someone to convert to BEV’s just stating that this turning into a Political discussion is completely insane. Let me remind everyone that Most European Countries are converting to BEV’s and those Countries are run by Right Wing and Left Wing Governments but nonetheless they are ALL converting. Also isn’t China a Communist Country? Wonder if the Liberal part of the Communist Party took over and is forcing the switch to BEV’s Lol
    So again it isn’t the so called Boogieman Liberals taking your ICE away it is just Technology following what it does best….Disrupt.
    And right now it is disrupting the Automotive Industry in a HUGE way.
    I am a huge GM fan hence why I have been on this site for many years. As a GM fan I simply cannot understand the negativity towards the Company that is following where the Tech and the Industry is taking us. I for one as a GM fan and Shareholder am completely excited that GM didn’t sit back and do nothing and go Bankrupt in the process. Not only did they jump All in but this swift move by them might finally get them to surpass Honda and Toyota which have done absolutely nothing towards the move to BEV’s. I say Go GM go and cannot wait to see what amazing vehicles they have to offer their Customers and us GM fans these next 5 – 10 years and beyond obviously!!!

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  24. The banning of ICE vehicles by CA and soon to be followed by other states is probably the first time GM and other manufactures have not contested this decision. All manufactures are spending billions of dollars in EV development and this will sure help getting a return on the investment.

    Sure there is a lot of work to make it happen and it will happen. We cannot continue to travel down the road with fossil fuels and t will not last for ever. The health and power of any nation largely depends on energy production and use.

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    1. I read a report by Bloomberg I believe that the entire Auto Industry as a whole will spend almost a Trillion Dollars to shift by 2030…..There is no going back.

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  25. Amazing. We have entered the twilight zone fantasy world of la la land. I bet the ranchers and farmers of Eastern Washington state are scratching their heads on this one.
    Wonder if the wind and sun can support the electricity need? Not many sunny days in Western Washington state where the counterculture resides. Oh well, let’s all sit back and watch the drama unfold. California’s grid has been in stress City this past week. Newsom went into reality check and grew a brain about not demolishing reliable Diablo Canyon nuclear. Maybe Bill Gates and his buddy Warren Buffett can figure this energy thing out. Buffet is a huge energy player. He is buying 50% of Occidental Petroleum. Also Berkshire Hathaway owns Flying J and Pilot truck stops along with the huge Kern River pipeline. Buffett is wise and savvy about fossil fuels. The drama continues as Gates and Buffett tell Brandon what to do.

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  26. Can’t remember when the last time I’ve seen so much stupidity . They all jump on the band wagon even if it’s on fire . Go ahead idiots buy your stupid ev and stay home with no electricity quit doing whatever your told and screw your electric vehicle

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