The practice of automakers benchmarking each other’s vehicles is nothing new. In fact, just yesterday, GM Authority broke news that GM was benchmarking the VW ID.4. Today, we have (arguably) an even more interesting example, as we caught General Motors benchmarking its the Ford F-350 Super Duty.
The heavy duty pickup truck in question from The General’s cross-town rival is a dually in Platinum trim with the 6.7L Power Stroke V8 Turbo Diesel engine. It was testing on the North South Straight of GM’s Milford Proving Ground.
2021 Ford F-350 Super Duty at GM’s Milford Proving Grounds in September 2021
Ford’s 6.7L Power Stroke has what the automaker claims is best-in-class 475 horsepower at 2,600 rpm and 1,050 pound-feet of torque at 1,600 rpm driving a 10-speed automatic transmission. By comparison, the GM 6.6L L5P turbo-diesel Duramax V8 is rated at 445 horsepower at 2,800 rpm and 910 pound-feet of torque at 1,600 rpm. It’s mated to an “Allison” 10-speed automatic transmission. The legendary powerplant combination is used in both the 2020, 2021 and 2022 Chevy Silverado HD and GMC Sierra HD.
For reference, the list below shows a list of the four heavy-duty trucks currently on the market, including both GM trucks as well as their rivals, plus their respective powertrains and output figures.
| Vehicle | Engine | Fuel Type | Aspiration | Valvetrain | Horsepower (hp @ rpm) | Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 Chevy Silverado HD | 6.6L L8T V8 | Gasoline | Atmospheric | OHV 16-valve | 401 @ 5,200 | 464 @ 4,000 |
| 2021 Chevy Silverado HD | 6.6L Duramax L5P V8 | Diesel | Turbocharged | OHV 32-valve | 445 @ 2,800 | 910 @ 1,600 |
| 2021 Ford Super Duty | 6.2L Boss V8 | Gasoline | Atmospheric | SOHC 16-valve | 385 @ 5,750 | 430 @ 3,800 |
| 2021 Ford Super Duty | 7.3L Godzilla V8 | Gasoline | Atmospheric | OHV 16-valve | 430 @ 5,500 | 475 @ 4,000 |
| 2021 Ford Super Duty | 6.7L Power Stroke Scorpion V8 | Diesel | Turbocharged | DOHC 32-valve | 475 @ 2,800 | 1,050 @ 1,600 |
| 2021 GMC Sierra HD | 6.6L L8T V8 | Gasoline | Atmospheric | OHV 16-valve | 401 @ 5,200 | 464 @ 4,000 |
| 2021 GMC Sierra HD | 6.6L Duramax L5P V8 | Diesel | Turbocharged | OHV 32-valve | 445 @ 2,800 | 910 @ 1,600 |
| 2021 Ram HD | 6.4L HEMI V8 | Gasoline | Atmospheric | OHV 16-valve | 410 @ 5,600 | 429 @ 4,000 |
| 2021 Ram HD | 6.7L Cummins I6 | Diesel | Turbocharged | OHV 24-valve | 370 @ 2,800 | 850 @ 1,700 |
| 2021 Ram HD | 6.7L Cummins I6 HO | Diesel | Turbocharged | OHV 24-valve | 420 @ 2,800 | 1,075 @ 1,800 |
Sales of heavy duty GM trucks have been growing steadily over the past few years. Silverado HD sales grew 26.4 percent during the first six months of the 2021 calendar year to 78,430 units.
Chevrolet Silverado Sales Detail - Q2 2021 - USA
| Model | Q2 2021 / Q2 2020 | Q2 2021 | Q2 2020 | YTD 2021 / YTD 2020 | YTD 2021 | YTD 2020 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Total | +34.5% | 164,731 | 122,432 | +9% | 291,322 | 267,166 |
| Silverado LD | +31.1% | 117,275 | 89,465 | +2.8% | 207,980 | 202,390 |
| Silverado HD | +42% | 44,431 | 31,279 | +26.4% | 78,430 | 62,052 |
| Silverado MD | +79.2% | 3,025 | 1,688 | +80.3% | 4,912 | 2,724 |
During the same timeframe, GMC Sierra HD sales grew 40 percent to 39,515 units.
GMC Sierra Sales Detail - Q2 2021 - USA
| Model | Q2 2021 / Q2 2020 | Q2 2021 | Q2 2020 | YTD 2021 / YTD 2020 | YTD 2021 | YTD 2020 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Total | +40.3% | 75,495 | 53,824 | +29.6% | 138,412 | 106,833 |
| Sierra LD | +38.2% | 53,640 | 38,825 | +25.7% | 98,897 | 78,666 |
| Sierra HD | +45.7% | 21,855 | 14,999 | +40.3% | 39,515 | 28,167 |
Meanwhile, during the 2020 calendar year, Silverado HD sales grew 14 percent to 150,394 units.
Chevrolet Silverado Sales Detail - Q4 2020 - USA
| Model | Q4 2020 / Q4 2019 | Q4 2020 | Q4 2019 | YTD 2020 / YTD 2019 | YTD 2020 | YTD 2019 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Total | +9.9% | 179,444 | 163,341 | +3.2% | 594,094 | 575,600 |
| Silverado LD | +0.9% | 125,688 | 124,619 | -0.5% | 436,281 | 438,686 |
| Silverado HD | +39% | 51,020 | 36,704 | +14% | 150,394 | 131,953 |
| Silverado MD | +35.6% | 2,736 | 2,018 | +49.5% | 7,419 | 4,961 |
Additionally, GMC Sierra HD sales grew 23 percent to 73,777 units during the same timeframe.
GMC Sierra Sales Detail - Q4 2020 - USA
| Model | Q4 2020 / Q4 2019 | Q4 2020 | Q4 2019 | YTD 2020 / YTD 2019 | YTD 2020 | YTD 2019 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Total | +14% | 78,371 | 68,722 | +8.9% | 253,016 | 232,323 |
| Sierra LD | +5.3% | 53,176 | 50,494 | +3.9% | 179,239 | 172,452 |
| Sierra HD | +38.2% | 25,195 | 18,228 | +23.2% | 73,777 | 59,871 |
6.6L L5P Duramax Turbo Diesel V8
The Chevy Silverado HD and GMC Sierra HD trucks will get refreshed for the 2024 model year. GM Authority spies recently caught the 2024 GMC Sierra HD undergoing testing back in May, followed by the 2024 Chevy Silverado HD in August. Initially planned for the 2023 model year, the refresh will now be delayed until 2024. As GMA exclusively reported earlier this year, the refresh will bring about various updates – including power gains to the L5P engine, which should bring it more in line with the Power Stroke, at least on paper.
We’ll have more about the 2023 HD refresh on the way, so stay tuned and be sure to subscribe to GM Authority for more Silverado news, Chevy news, GMC Sierra news, GMC news, and around-the-clock GM news coverage.
Comments
I just traded my 2019 GMC denali 2500 for a 2022 F-350 King Ranch, tired of the cheap thin seats , recall letters including todays new recall of the Duramax glow plug issues . 72K for a truck with cheap blown plastic interior, cheap black unfinished wheel lip moldings , plastic bumper steps, cheap good year tires , cheap tail gate handle,and it never had any wow factor to it.
super nice interior on the ford, nice seats , two tone paint , michelin tires , 12″ screen with great clarity , and the power and speed from the 1050 lb torque diesel is insane over the 900 lb in the duramax. the 10 speed trans is great. Gm is nice, but they need to get it together.
They can’t afford to get it together after they pay Mary her 40,000,000.00 a year there is no money left………..
Years ago Ford was a joke with cheap interiors and no technology in there vehicles. This made GM look good.
But now GM is not keeping up at all. And they are trying to make money by using the cheapest parts available. No stock of said parts and long wait times to get your vehicle repaired will bite them soon enough….
GM is in critical condition with there lack of leadership…..
That’s not the way I remember it. Ford got the upper trim truck thing going back in the 80’s with the Eddie Bauer trim for the F-150, Bronco and so on. GM took notice and started the Denali lineup in response to Ford. GM was to busy trying to keep Buick, Olds, and Cadillac land yachts alive and didn’t realize the potential of luxury trucks and SUVs. In 1997 Ford introduced the F-150 Lariat and it was the only truck with a leather interior around. Ford also released the Harley Davidson F-150 and GMC tried to respond with the C3 but it was too late. Ford had already released the King Ranch which was the first half ton with a crew cab, short bed, leather and a sunroof which is still the standard to this day. GM would respond a year later with the Sierra Denali.
Back when the Eddie Bower edition came out, Ford was using things like stick on rubber step covers that were glued on to the side steps on there trucks and then fell off in a few months.
The Eddie Bower seats were the only thing they had.
They still had 4 watt antique radios with tiny speakers and no bass.
Even with the Eddie Bower seats they didn’t come close to the standard GM interior. Ford had to do something.
Look at the basic Blazer vs Bronco II interiors of that era. GM was way a head.
Look at Fords use of 4 bolts lugs on there cars including mustang.
Ford always had old man looking interiors with extreme cheap looking design.
Before you get all defensive…… I owned the Bronco II not the Blazer.
Because I didn’t understand why anyone would want a gorgeous interior for off roading.
The big joke was the cheap ass juice can under the hood on the Ford. Used for a vacuum canister…..
My 87 Grand Am interior compared to the Ford Tempo or Topaz
Ford had nothing to compete with GM back then.
Eddie Bower was a desperate attempt at keeping up.
But over the last 20 years things have really changed at Ford. I still think there is some amazing problems with there products.
How about if you crack or break your tail light lens on a F150 that has the sensor for blind spot monitoring ……. That will cost you 1000.00 just for the part…
How do I know…….my boss cracked his..
How about the Chevy Z24 with the 2.8 then updated to the 3.1 with. Cowl induction and 5 speed manual and aluminum wheels with Eagle GTs 60 series
And priced well below the Mustang..
I could go on and on……..
You are all over the place. Please get back on topic. We can find something bad to say about both of them. You are entitled to your opinion but Ford has been pushing the truck segment for some time now. The last generation F150 in 2014 was the first truck to have LED lights, a panoramic moonroof, massaging seats, adaptive cruise control, lane keep, night vision, 360 camera and the list goes on. Relax man
I said things at Ford have changed drastically over the last 20 years.
But as far as the past Ford was a joke.
their their
Real gm trucksters demand cheap crappy interiors, just ask Nosense.
Interesting GM still outsells Ford in HD pickups the last 18 months. I agree though, owning a 2020, GMC, the seats, touchchreen, and the cheap plastic need an upgrade, as for power, the 2020 GMC mated with the 10 speed is not bad.
I have a 2020 3500 high country it’s a very nice truck it’s an early one I ordered it it’s been great so far.
Besides the recalls, everything you do not like about your Sierra are items that should have been noticed on your test drive.
Just shut up
I have a 2015 Ford f250 6.7 diesel. Just turned 103,000 mi.GM dramas never saw the day they will compare to the f series Ford’s on any jobs.The heavy haulers out west are 90% Ford pullers!
90% lol…. I live out west and 90% is a huge exaggeration. Chances are it’s not the only thing your exaggerating about.
Please don’t tell me you are going to say there are more crap gmc trucks?
I simply said your claim of 90% was B.S.!
Let’s hear the percentage then from “your perspective”
Unlike you I don’t make up numbers, anyone with a brain and 2 eyes knows Ford doesn’t represent 90% of all trucks that pull!
You must have a small brain that man clearly said the heavy haulers out west are 90% Ford. He never said 90 of all trucks that pull.
Let me fix it for you then, anyone with a brain and 2 eyes knows Ford doesn’t represent 90% of all heavy haulers out west!
I’m not sure you can be talking about someone with a brain considering you are a trump supporter
I suppose you think voting for Biden was smart lol! Nobody asked for your opinion anyway!
So what are the numbers? You claim his are bogus but you have nothing else to say except he is probably exaggerating about other things also. Sounds to me more like you are just a fanboy and get mad when someone talks about China sorry I meant gmc
The trolls are out in force today! Was this article posted on a Ford sight? Without inside information 90% can’t be proven one way or the other but simple logic is on my side.
So your logic can’t be proven you just admitted that but yet you know that man is wrong. Sounds more like you are the troll.
I can also tell you water is wet and fire burns without providing a study, same principal applies! Your clearly trolling since your hiding behind a continually changing immature name. As such your comments will be ignored from this point forward.
I’m sorry I did not see where anyone asked your opinion please point that out to me thanks. What’s wrong with Biden? Or are you mad he hasn’t had people go storm the capitol yet?
For who knows what reason, you once again decided it was your business to chime in, therefore you invited my opinion. “What’s wrong with Biden” that’s a very extensive list that I’m not going to get into since this is an automotive sight. I’m sure the families of 13 service members killed in Afghanistan might have a few things to say about that subject however!
What’s wrong with Pedo Joe?? Are you serious? Where do we begin??
You sound like you’re one of those CNN sheeple! Make sure you hit all your talking points or they will put you back in the basement with Pedo Joe!
So again nobody asked your opinion is that what you are saying? You chimes in on that mans comments I did not see where he mentioned you? Can you please point out where he asked for your opinion thanks.
Apparently you count yourself as a nobody since you specifically asked for my opinion several times now. Opinions and discussion are invited when they are on-topic, this thread is about HD trucks, not politics in case you were confused. You’re going to live a very sad life if you continue to be offended simply because someone’s not of your political persuasion.
It’s funny seeing you Americans make a big deal about “you’re soldiers” dying. But yet your American bombs and drones killed my mother and my younger sister who had nothing to do with any war. Screw your soldiers I’m glad you people left nothing but terrorists your country are no accountability whatsoever for anything.
These soldiers are the only reason your mother and sister were alive for the last 20 years becausethe taliban really respect their women! You should be kissing their bean bags! Let’s see how life is now that the taliban will rule your S hole dust bowl of country!
Salty educate yourself please. Figure out what the war was about first. Also understand the people here embrace the taliban always have you called someone else a brainwashed sheep but I can tell from your responses that person is actually you. You obviously have no idea about any of this. Nobody wanted those soldiers here for years you people should of been gone nothing but bums and cowardly soldiers who run.
Abdul go enjoy the bacon and pig blood. Your mom and sister where probably terrorist and deserved what they got.
First let me say sorry for your loss. I am curious thou how your people have not taking responsibility for your part in starting the whole thing.
Black sheep not as good as the 13 last week. We have had fun pissing right there this week.
Joe take responsibility for what? 9/11? Something that a very small group of people were even involved in and even then it’s debatable. America came over here for the oil it’s no secret it’s been known you even had us soldiers visiting the villages saying the same thing. You go around the country now and ask people younger then 18 what happened on 9/11 they have no idea what that is. We aren’t going to take responsibility for something the sitting us president allowed and took part in planning. When will america take responsibility for all the destruction you caused over here that is my question what soldier will be charged for war crimes for the hospitals bombed with kids inside them, the thousands of homes that bombed to nothing what America “leader” will be help responsible for that?
You basically said this man was lying about his claim but yet you have absolutely nothing to back yours up lol. Where I am at in Arizona there are way more ram and Ford then any GM product so again you don’t have to respond anymore you admitted it yourself you can’t prove anything.
Please point out where the initial person asked for your opinion thanks. This is the second time I asked you so I would appreciate if you can show me where he asked.
Looks like I’m going to have to explain one more time how a comment section works. When someone says something outlandish (initial poster) it’s inviting an opinion whether asked for directly or indirectly. The cool thing about staying on-topic is your opinion is part of the discussion. The reason I took issue with your comment is you didn’t come here to talk about trucks, you only came to leave another snarky Trump remark. That makes you the exact definition of a Troll! If you came here to actually talk about trucks I never would have said a thing. If you think I still didn’t answer your question then reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
I was once on a road trip from long Beach Washington to Vancouver Canada…. I was bored and counted which trucks were hauling or towing. Ford outnumbered all other brands combined. Don’t think it was 90% but roughly 60%. (My beautiful wife was driving lol)
I agree it’s not 90% I’m in NM and if I had to guess I’d say it’s 55% Ford 35% ram and 10% gm and I’m counting both the Silverado and Sierra together. It’s unfortunate I like gm but over the last 4-6 years they have lost a big share at least from what I see. I hope the new model refresh gets people to buy more of them again. I know people knock ram but they seem to be gaining more then anyone several of my friends ditched there fords and Silverado’s for ram longhorn editions.
Sorry, I’d have to take the Ram with the High Output Cummins!
The company I work for goes through a lot of trucks.
We had 2 of the Ram cumins and both were beautiful trucks but both were sent to auction as Ram couldn’t keep them on the road. They were at the dealer more than at work.
We had the top of the line Ford 6.7 Platinum and everyone complained about how bad it wonders on the road. Ford couldn’t fix it. Changed tires and alignment but nothing worked. It ate tires too. Then the fuel filter blew a hole in the top and sprayed diesel over everything under the hood. It was one thing after another with the Ford.
So it went and a GM 6.6 was bought. That truck was amazing for the first 2 years and then it dropped a valve and had to go in and have the cab removed to repair the prob.
But that was the only issue in 4 years of torture.
I pulled some massive weights with all three trucks. The Ram interior was amazing but the engine didn’t seem to have the low end to make it impressive.
The Ford Interior had everything you could possibly think of. And I mean everything. The engine pulled like a freight train. But the steering would wear you out after a few hrs.
The GM was lacking when it came to interior but that engine was the quietest of all 3 and the Alison transmission was noticeably better than the rest. The truck didn’t wonder and was so easy to drive long distance. It was also the truck that spent the least amount of time at the dealership…
Too many interior ranchers here talking about “oh my tush love the Fd Series ” probably testing out the upper limits of GM tow truck capacities..
Frequently Obsolete Road Disability….
I’m still complaining about others complaining I demand you all stop I am the only one who can complain on here. Also stop using fake names I’m the only one who can use a fake name.
F-rd Owner Retard Detected ⬆️⬆️⬆️
I don’t own a Ford. You should remember me I am the one who called you out for this last time you decided to be a hypocrite and complain about others complaining meanwhile you wrote us a an entire story response. Then also said use your real name while you continue to use that bogus name.
Instatard model loves to complain about complainers on his handle name and his comments. Lol you can’t make this up..
Your right you can’t. Anytime anyone has an opinion that you don’t like you make a statement about them complaining.
I see tears 😢…
The only thing I see is a guy who only comments complaining about others.
Small tears 😢, among other small things….
Lol, I’m done. Hey in-person school is back. Run along, don’t wanna miss your F-rd short bus, Korkey 🚐..
You mean you are done until you decide to complain about someone else right? There are new articles written for you where people said stuff I’m sure you wouldn’t like we are all waiting for your statement on that.
GM should benchmark the Ford F350 4×4 solid front axle so they can have a 4×4 truck that actually looks like a truck.
Or the Ram.
You might want to fix the chart. The Scorpion 6.7 isn’t OHC or DOHC, unless I am mistaken. It is OHV like the Duramax.
I own a 2021 Ram with HO Cummins and the Aisin , a pulling man’s dream on the highway and off the line, what ever you want to put back there it pulls it. great interiors , there tech crap sucks, and yes Ram is the recall king of the world, but Ram always covers whats wrong. there trucks look good , many many paint options, Mega cab, and no aluminum bull crap that makes the truck weigh less, the heavier the truck, the better thew ride. If you cant afford the fuel, then buy a honda ridge line for the fuel sippers on the west coast , the a bunch of butter cups out there.
They are just trying to figure out how to build a real truck like Ford is all.
The GM HD trucks have been great for me. My newest one is a 2020 CC 3500, LTZ, flat bed. We run an excavation company and all they do is pull at or above the max trailer capacity. We live out West, and pull up and down mnt passes. These trucks earn their keep. Few issues, the only truck that I was not happy with was a GMC 5500 4X4. Overall, they keep performing, and I keep buying them. As long as that continues, we will continue to be GM customers.
As far as percentages of trucks that pull, I think it is about an even 3 way split as far as trucks that pull here. The latest version of the GM HD’s has become a very common sight pulling. No question the improved specs of GM HD trucks has increased their market share, certainly in my area. It shouldn’t have taken that long to make that happen, but at least it has.
There is certainly room for improvement and I look forward to the MCE HD trucks when they come out.
The place I work at (telecom internet and cable provider) is nearly all Ford trucks (bucket trucks) and the contractors that come in are probably nine Fords to one GM and no GM bucket trucks we do have a 2010 or so Silverado 1500 runabout and all the vans are Chevy Express.
I own 10 Gm work trucks 2002 to 2021 an I had Ford s on the fleet 6L .also. 6.7 I don’t ever need another Ford in my fleet I got Gm trucks with 800 000km pullers problem s are minimum you can all injoy your Fords I wouldn’t drive a Ford if.you paid for it I want something reliable an cost efficient Have a great Day
You own 10 work trucks supposedly but claim you would not drive a Ford if someone paid you that sounds like a lie.
Once you go Ram you never go back!
Maybe Dodge Ram. You can keep ur Fiat. Rams are rated as the worst trucks on the road for longterm ownership/ reliability.
That’s just not true.
Lol you can keep your fiat which is Italian compared to gm which is China. You have a small brain I can tell.
peter, 800000 km trucks are 500K mile trucks, and your saying they had problems , yea probably so. 99% dont keep trucks 20 years, some do. Gm has many recall problems, more than Ford even. GM still has 4500 and 5500 trucks sitting from 2019 – 2021 and they are giving them away cause they made mistakes building because GM does a lot of cost cutting crap, and everyone knows it too thats why there out bench marking a Ford. , the duramax and real allison of years pre 2019 and below are good motors, but dont have the torque of a ford or cummins , peroid. GM new allision is branded. its a joke , more cost cutting, GM seats suck , they come out of the factory thin and hard. cheap interiors, cheap black plastics all over the exterior, stupid mounted mirrors on doors, cheap good year tires, no two tone paint. , you all take that denali or high country name plate off the door and GM looks like a cheap work truck for 85K
The big 3 all make very solid HD trucks.
Lol big 3? Who is the third? It’s only the big 2 with ram and ford
And they cost sooooo much u might as well go get an old 250-350 for a 1/8th the price and have a luxury car on the side for fun.
Wtf lol. This man is talking about penny pinching on a pickup truck but then says to go get a luxury car as well.
We also have a Chevy dump truck at work with the L5P 6.6 and we have had issues with the NOX sensor but 4 years and no other issues…
My personal truck is a Colorado diesel and it’s been amazing. It gets over 30 mpg and pulls my 6000lbs travel trailer with ease. Pulling the trailer I get between 16 and 18 mpg.
What I would like to get across to GM Ford and Ram is that reliability is what we the buying public want.
Stand behind your vehicles. Use quality parts. Keep parts in stock.
I have read some horror stories about people waiting weeks to get there truck back from the dealer. Due to lack of parts. Poorly trained technicians ect.
Build a quality product and the customers will come…..
Really it doesn’t matter what you drive as long as it’s an American truck.
Why can’t I get a part overnight if I will pay the shipping?
Dealers need to do a much better job because as it is now it’s really bad………
People want high power Cadillacs with beds these days. And thats what they make. More techy and comforts. The people like you and me that want a good solid reliable work truck, will never be able to afford these things. And even if you got one, youd be to scared to USE it. And honestly that’s fine. If u notice, the manufacturers focus so much on the comforts, that they make basic ass mistakes with the tranny, motor and frame. These arent work trucks. I wouldnt buy a truck past 2010. Late 90s early 2000s is where its at.
Still stroking along with my old 99 with a 7.3 and 360k miles
Has always pulled what I needed. Guess I best keep it and my money! Going to put ball joints in though…should have lasted longer…lol
Death wobble, and remember when Ford denied the fuel injectors even had a problem then didn’t cover it. I watched ford mechanic straight disrespect owners over that issue. As far as the seat I don’t like swimming in my seat. So, gm or Cummins for me.
I don’t like Ford either but when it comes to disrespecting customers lower case gm is king
Yes I agree. I read a lot and gm is king at not supporting the customers after the sale.
The majority of issues I have read are from gm owners. Trucks sitting for weeks waiting to be repaired. No parts available. Or multiple trips to the dealer to get repaired.
There warranty has more loop holes than I thought possible.
Most of the loop holes are in the pollution control system.
And in the Powertrain where certain parts of the transmission and fuel injection are not covered. There is other items not covered also. It’s a crap shoot.
Remember Mary (CEO) of lowercase gm … witch is the stupidest decision her $40,000,000.00 yearly paycheck has brought to the company doesn’t work for the buyer only the investors.
Mary there will be no buyers if you don’t support your customers… Wake up pls…..
Those are some really sad low reasons not to go with ford. I mean damn you prolly jus dealt with an asshole tech. And id rather have fuel injector problems, than a Mexican made mis torqued transmission coming out brand new with 75k+ equivalent miles on the tranny …..like gm
How sad the things I see posted here in reference to bother Ford and GM. However, yes, Ford did go cheap on the interior of their trucks in the past, yet, funny that my 1994 F-250 XL is pushing the 300K mark on the odometer, and yet, its still out pulling trucks built by Chevy/GMC and Dodge of today. Plus, while yes, I like the looks of todays Ford trucks, my 94 still has better class of style ques. Its a much better truck for its era, and most of todays trucks, and it can still crawl off road better then some of the trucks I’ve seen from todays market. The power plant under the hood, for a gas powered engine, is way better then the coil over design of todays truck engines, and has a whole lot less headaches. As much as I would love newer seats in my truck, it is my daily driver because it is more comfortable then even my wife’s Buick. In fact I would even love to drive my 72 F-250 more if I could. These trucks still look better then anything out there today.
I like these comments bit ill never be able to afford any brand of pick ups
Lol dude you need better ambition in life.
I’ll just throw this log on the fire. Ram was just marked number 1 in initial quality, with Dodge number 2.
Initial quality is essentially ooooohh leather seats. It literally is jus a made up category to give em a win. Its a fiat. Itll show that on the inside
Explain why over the last few years Ram just keeps coming in first in 3 way comparisons in both print media and online sources like The Fast Lane Truck?
Congrats in 2 to 3 years GM will b able to compete with the current ford lineup 😂😂😂 what will u do when they update by then too??? Stay crappy gm.
Ok we need to leave the political conversation out here we are comparing trucks cars every starts very good on comments untill one gets their feelings and starts being political no one wants to hear that here at all leave politics away from trucks and cars that’s why we’re here to talk about
Ford is for people who want to look pretty at their jobs sites. GM for people who looking to get sh*t done and NOT worrying about looking pretty.
I Come from Canada and i run hd pick-ups on my farm i used it 6 months and export back to the us i am an ex dodge ram owner my last Was a 2008 and its was a pure nightmare now i leave mexican build crap to the others i own 15 f 250 after but recently in 2020 i had an at4 hd on 18 and had lot of rattles in the steering column and never run straight the second 2020 was a hd denali on 20s and i like it no rattles in 2021 i was back with a f 250 platinum and this morning i have my 2022 f 350 tremor platinum but i miss many things from the gm s like the auto 4wd transfer case ,the quietness of the duramax , the smoothness of the 10 speed allison but i prefer the power the confort the technology and the look of the ford but with these 2 i can made a very good one
Shane Kaiser is right it’s a 3 way split between the HDs here in Idaho, everywhere you there is some form of a new one, they all seem good, just depends on the brand you want!