Washington state lawmakers are looking to outlaw the sale, registration or purchase of new gasoline-powered vehicles in the region by 2030.
According to Reuters, the ban on new gasoline vehicle sales will only kick in once three-quarters of the vehicles in the state are already subject to a road usage charge, which will tax road users based on how many miles they travel in their vehicle. The road usage tax will help the state pay for new transportation infrastructure and various infrastructure upgrades.
The bill proposing the ban passed both houses of the Washington state legislature and will now be forwarded to Governor Jay Inslee to be made law. The 2030 target is the most aggressive ban on internal combustion engine vehicles in America, coming five years earlier than the 2035 target set by California and Massachusetts.
“This vote builds on our incredible track record here in Washington leading on big climate issues,” said Washington state Rep. Nicole Macri (D-Seattle), who first introduced the bill. “Clean Cars 2030 puts Washington on the road to powering its vehicles with cheap, clean, renewable electricity produced in-state and reduces the threat that oil and gasoline pose to our air, water, and health.”
General Motors is already planning to phase out emissions-producing passenger vehicles by 2035. Ford, meanwhile, says it will stop selling internal combustion engine vehicles in Europe by 2030 and plans to only offer battery-electric vehicles in the region. GM also plans for its business to be fully carbon neutral by 2040
“General Motors is joining governments and companies around the globe working to establish a safer, greener and better world,” GM CEO Mary Barra said in a statement released earlier this year. “We encourage others to follow suit and make a significant impact on our industry and on the economy as a whole.”
As part of this effort, GM will offer 30 all-electric models globally by mid-decade and 40 percent of the company’s U.S. models will be battery-electric by the end of 2025.
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We have now moved from EV cars may come to they will be coming like it or not.
I saw an interview with Big Daddy Don Garlits and he even summed it up the same way.
These states will keep pressing these laws. The EPA is now controlled by a very aggressive Progressive staff. And Automakers have now progressed to see that they can bring cars that will be affordable, have equal range and likely be cheaper to build with more profits once ROI is realized.
I even work in the performance industry and we are now making plans for performance parts for EV vehicles. We know this is not going away and we are looking for our place in the future of this industry.
A lot of this is virtue signaling from clueless/worthless politicians. Evs will have a role but when people see the many disadvantages of Evs including range and charging time on the road, they may not be as eager to give up their Ice vehicles.
This statement was true 10 years ago but no longer. With all the investment going on industry has embraced this now. Advancements are being made and it is coming over the next 15 years.
GM has a 3rd gen battery good for 600 miles, the coming Hummer is already charging 100 miles in 10 min and that will get faster with the coming batteries. Carbon batteries are coming to eliminate the expensive metals etc.
This is no longer the pipe dream it once was. Too many people and companies are now working on it for it to just go away.
As for ICE the drama is going to be less and less. You can keep your old cars if you like. But we all should be prepared to fight if these states try to remove the classic and collector cars. I expect them to go for them at some point.
Washington State has severe winters. Have you ever tried to defrost an electric car? The induction heat system drains the batteries and range and is about as effective as the air cooled VW Beatle’s defrost/heater system.
The Beatles were a band. The Beetle was a car.
The Beetle was a cheap and disposable car designed by a fascist state. Sound like a very similar situation to BEVs and the fascist governments of the west coast forcing them upon their populations. Personally I don’t really care what those states do, as long as they deal with the battery disposal in a responsible way, which I’m sure they won’t. It’s always someone else’s fault or problem with the holier-than-thou mindset most westcoaster’s seem to currently possess.
EV Performance parts meaning more powerful motors/controllers/better cooling/better cables? It’s interesting times no doubt. The trick will be getting enthusiasts to embrace it by 2030.
The door is open on what could be coming from custom bodies to better motors or even programming.
Two speed transmissions are in the works now.
Not if we FIGHT it hard and dirty. Cutting the cord isn’t “vandalism” it’s independence.
Not going to work anymore. Automakers are now wanting to make the change. They will do it laws or not.
They will only do it if they can sell them.
Washington State, in particular the Seattle metro area, is very poorly run with a rapidly declining quality of life. This proposed legislation will not make things better.
that’s right, people are leaving the state of washington and even though i’m leaving the beautiful state of west virginia this summer, i will be enjoying south florida.
Yet still haven’t addressed systematic outsourcing and job killing problems. I don’t think the aircraft, apple and timber industries would like this.
Outsourced thanks to unions.
What a bunch of losers/idiots. Seattle is becoming a slime pit and is burning to the ground with all their protests and they worry about this? Perhaps they have to clear the air from all the pollution coming from everything that is burning.
Becoming it has been the arm pit of politics for decades.
I love how they say it will help with cleaner water. Nope, it will probably make water less cleaner because of the mining for these precious metals. This why the climate nuts can’t be trusted. They state something and then never look into the future how it will truely effect the enviroment. Plastic bags is one the biggest scams ever.
Just a matter of time before they limit how many kids you can have it we don’t vote out these idiots.
No no, they’ll just give you a pretend-a-woman, you know someone that played LB in high school but want to be “Brandy” now…..
Don’t forget the pollution related to electricity generation. The coal, oil, and natural gas production and transportation related to electricity creates pollution.
Automakers don’t care. They will in time be able to make cars cheaper and more profitable.
Even at that the added charging is small in the big picture of usage in this country.
These excuses are not holding water anymore.
Toyota, the world’s largest car manufacturer, recently stated that they believe the ICE has a future. Also, there have been recent reports that in some locations if you use a fast public charger buying electricity for electric cars is more expensive than buying gasoline for similar sized cars with ICEs. Just because Washington State is contemplating outlawing cars with ICEs in less than 10 years does not mean that there is even close to a consensus to do so in the United States.
I hope their electric grid it up to it. The Texas grid sure isn’t.
Frozen wind turbines caused the Texas blackout, not “free market economics”.
A source of energy that only powers 10% of the grid didn’t cause the blackout. Texas not maintaining their grid and separating it from the rest of the national grid so energy companies can charge customers whatever they want was the cause.
The grid needs updated EV cars or not. At least electric companies will be motivated due to the increase in the income of taking on the charging market. That incentive will play large.
Folks the EV game is serious. If you don’t think so the latest move by SRT is a key moment due to it.
The head of Dodge stated the changes at SRT this way,
“Tim Kuniskis told us he looks at electrification as a great thing for SRT. “It’s going to enable more performance than we’ve ever seen before. Ever. We’ll be able to take the technologies that we know today, and bolster them with electrification and in some cases full battery power.”
He went on to explain that with electric you can not add on to a base model the performance aspect of battery and motor placements. He stated this needs to be done from the integration of the platform. This is why SRT is moving these groups of people to each platform and not just the SRT group. GM did the same thing with the GM Performance group too That was done for similar reason even under the ICE engines.
This is a strong signal that Dodge, Chrysler, Ram and Jeep will be making a significant move to EV.
I myself have gasoline in my veins but I read and watch what is going on and this train is not going to stop. It is beyond the politics now they are only formalities.
It’s an exciting time as performance opportunities will be incredible. I’ll get one more ICE and look forward to the advancements in electric over the next 5 years or so. Can’t wait to see what GM comes up with by then.
From what I heard FCA is doing Hemi/hybrid for performance as seen with their E-Torque system in Ram 1500 and Wrangler or as what Benz is doing with the new AMG C-Class. Don’t expect them to go full Tesla anytime soon.
I think the hybrid deal is short term. They will be even more expensive than the full electric models as keeping the ICE alive is not getting cheaper.
The EV part will be a nuisance to the ICE fans much like the auto stop and start. If I am going to be forced into the change over I would rather have ICE or EC but no half way version.
Even the Prius is not what it once was. Volt no one cares.
It’s not about what you want, it’s what they’re doing about it. As someone said here “rare earth” material needed to make full EVs. Then IMO you have developing markets that have no reliable electricity or too expensive to market a pure EV there, the Tesla put holes into the Prius because of performance also the Apple like following behind it. Point is ICE in some from will be around for a while.
Never said it will totally vanish did I.
Globally it will be around in various forms and even here for the next 30 years min.
But it will continue to decline as EV continues to grow and become the majority of the market in about 20 years.
The change to EV is going to go like boiling frogs. It will be over time as technology improves and prices decline. People will willingly begin to change over.
The car is mostly an appliance to most anymore and the less they have to deal with the more they will like it.
We the enthusiast will be the last to transform but the automakers will address us to try to gain our interest and some of it may be. Very amazing some of it may just be ehh!
Not with inflation rates going up, once hyperinflation comes, america we are toast.
The world is eventually going to be like the movie “The Last Chase” with Lee Majors
Lol, never knew an old cheesey film like this existed, now I have look at it.
“If those folks think EV’s are the way to go; They are blind to the fact that EGOTISTICAL greedy Hackers will be able to INFILTRATE any computer driven product the market companies make”! That’s why i for one will still always buy & use ICE for my transportation needs!!
Thank you.
That is very true. Another issue 8s the supply of electronics as we are see now.
I don’t know what this means for people currently with a car note or someone planing on buying a new ice vehicle in the near future. I have a 10 year old car and a 3 year old car and would like to buy a new daily as my newest car is a weekend car, and I I’d plan to keep it for 10 plus years but with news like this will I be shamed or charged more or it be something to difficult to own in 5 years 7 years from now. I don’t see my 10 year old car going away anytime soon I took good care of it. So I feel like I shouldn’t get excited to buy or shop for a new ice vehicle
Vote all left wing libtards out of office.
@chevelle453: Americans don’t want to vote for anti-science white supremacists. They destroyed this country over the past four years. I’ll keep voting liberal because I prefer living in a democracy.
wrong. both the left and the right are extreme period and f*** your open borders anti-gun garbage, that’s why i want my republic back, no more extremism, read the u.s. constitution.
I 4 one am for our u.s. constitution! & Lincoln.
Dummynuts, go back to School, you don’t live in a Democracy. We are still and always will be a Republic. WISE UP !
Then you must be for that guy that’s behind BARS 4 being anti-gov.!
Lib-turds…Democruds….the destroyers of the United States of America we Vets took oaths to defend.
Andy, you are 100 percent correct!
Morons inhabit the Legislature in Washington State and prove it every day. Ultra-Lib/progressive Capitol of the U.
S. that seeks to outdo the idiots in CA. Prevention of registering IC-powered vehicles will stop even the sale of used IC-powered cars and remove the ability of the few sane residents of Washington State (surely there have to be a few left ? ) from traveling long distances to visit relatives, conduct business or even vacationing. Must be something to do with all that constant rain along the Pacific Coast that grows Mold in their brains. Lithium mining owners ( the new “White Gold ) are gleefully counting their huge increased profits exceeding even the hundreds of Billions they are raking in now. Better crank those hydropower dams up along the Columbia River to produce all that additional electric generating capacity you idiots are going to need.
All I can say is ugh. However, The question(s) I have relates to the aftermarket and availability or parts for all my older vehicles that are still daily drivers. My fleet ranges in age from 85 to 2018 chevys, (5 vehicles, used to be 6 but I downsized). I’m not worried about the Equinox as I cant repair / work on it (except routine oil changes etc.) as I dont have the durn computers to talk to it. I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s and repaired / fixed everything. What do I do when I can no longer buy brakes, water pumps, spark plugs, carb parts, axle bearings, etc. Anyways, I’m what you call an enthusiast and while my vehicles will never be sold as true classics on Meacham or such they are priceless to me as I can still work on and repair them. I know I’m the dinosaur here but feel that Im not alone. Keeping the family fleet running correctly is my hobby know in retirement. I’ve got the time and the knowledge (and old tool sets) Gasoline, What happens when its no longer profitable for the refiners and such. What will the cost of gas be in 10 years. Sorry for the ramblings here. Just venting. I guess I know know how the blacksmiths of yester yore and the wagon repair folks feel. I am sure everyone here wants the same thing in the long term, a better world for our children, grandchildren, and so forth. But the free market should be the driving force not bureaucrats.
I finally got my 2021 GMC SLT Diesel two weeks ago. I intend to travel North America (if the ever open the Borders). It will be my last vehicle and can pull my 34 ft. 5th wheel where ever I want to go. There are lots of us RV’er out there and there are NO electric vehicles that can do the job. Being a veteran I probably won’t have to worry 25 years down the road but my concern is finding fuel for my Pick up as the availability of diesel will be reduced. The fools will see that “electric” vehicles are NOT the Answer in time. A little RESPECT for us retired people who chose to enjoy this GREAT country and have invested in RV’s that require fossil fuels. If thy want to stop the pollution, cut the Airline Industry as passenger aircraft are one of the worst polluters. As they USED to Say as I was Growing up. “SEE THE USA IN A CHEVEROLET! The Best way to SEE America and Canada TOO.
Barry
Regarding the Washington law charging a fee by mileage, how will they collect correct mileage? Have every vehicle inspected every year? Where? Rely on owners to report it? Cheating will be rampant! Odometer rollbacks will a huge problem. Sounds good but owners of poor gas mileage vehicles will benefit unless the fee is based on fuel economy. Here is the 800 pound gorilla in the room…..what about miles driven in other states where you will pay a gas tax also? Send in the lawyers!
As a native EASTERN Washingtonian, we are simply being dragged along kicking and screaming by the Interstate 5 corridor politicians that see east of the Cascade range through the bottom of coke bottles. It’s unbelievable what’s happening in the Evergreen State…
Plz keep this forum for the cars, NOT damn politics! The politic bozos need to cut it OFF!
If Washington doesn’t like ICE vehicles, I won’t plan to travel there on vacation next year. There are other states that are more welcoming.
The problem w/ anything electric built; if the owner treats their auto as they did as an ICE vehicle; the ark welds would break under the strain. As with any DELICATE welding/soldered connection; when is comes to testing & reliability; we are hard on our rides! So what makes an EV better than an ICE VEHICLE!!??…
USA & AUSTRALIA are both large countries. Hydrogen upcoming is the most practical feasible energy source to be able to cover large distances.” Refilling the Tank” with Hydrogen will be a lot quicker than having to wait around for 30 minutes for a top up electric recharge. The Japanese are investing serious dollars into future hydrogen production. Electric battery cars etc will only be practical if your inner city suburbia etc.