The United States government has sued EZ Lynk, a manufacturer of emissions defeat devices for GM Duramax engines and other diesel powerplants, for violating the federal Clean Air Act.
EZ Lynk produces electronic engine control devices that allow users to disable the emissions control software in Duramax and other diesel engines and adjust other engine settings for performance benefits. The company’s Autoagent device includes a deletion software for the vehicle’s factory emissions control settings and provides the user with access to a cloud-based platform that stores the new software. A smartphone app allows the user to pay for and install the new software and adjust various performance settings on the fly.
“Emissions controls on cars and trucks protect the public from harmful effects of air pollution,” U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss said in a prepared statement. “EZ Lynk has put the public’s health at risk by manufacturing and selling devices intended to disable those emissions controls.”
The lawsuit is seeking civil penalties for Clean Air Act violations and includes an injunction against further EZ Lynk system sales and installations, Reuters reports. Defendants in the case include EZ Lynk’s founders Bradley Gintz and Thomas Wood, along with an affiliate company called Prestige Worldwide. EZ Lynk is based in the U.S. Cayman Islands.
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The federal government has begun to take aim at producers of aftermarket engine tuning devices in the wake of the 2015 VW diesel emissions scandal. Back in 2018, the feds slapped a company called Derive Systems with a $300,000 fine for violating the federal Clean Air Act. The company was also forced to spend $6.25 million in order to bring its products up to code in accordance with the Clean Air Act.
“Defendants shall not manufacture, offer for sale, sell, convey, or otherwise transfer any product intended for use on vehicles of model years 2000 and newer that contains user-adjustable features for the following: rear oxygen sensors, EGR, or any DTCs associated with these emission controls,” the federal government said after the ruling against Derive Systems.
The federal government’s case against EZ Lynk has been filed in U.S. District Court in the Southern District of New York.
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Government- we hate consumers, let’s take away their diesels and make them undrivable,
Consumers-what is we fix the issue
Government- what about we are your masters and you can’t have anything nice don’t you understand
There’s always going to be that small group of guys that gives diesels a bad name but the majority of people deleting their emissions are everyday citizens and businesses simply trying to keep their trucks running. Emissions equipment is the #1 cause of engine failure and downtime on a modern diesel. Diesel engines run more efficient and last much longer when deleted. Many of these trucks are actually burning cleaner when tuned as long as driven properly. Not to mention the increase in fuel economy and the millions of DEF containers that are no longer hitting the landfills. As always big brother knows best, what an exciting time we live in!
Well first of all yes, the tunes make the engines far more reliable and run much better.
But they certainly are not cleaner, that is just a given.
As far as plastic, toss them in a land fill and we will probably mine it again 200 years from now. I’m not worried about that. Nothing more than just an overdramatic stereotyping of how ” Evil” and “Bad” lands fills are.
Where do you think your garbage is going to go? It is either buried or burnt, virtually nothing gets recycled in practice. People are out of touch with reality.
I agree that not all are cleaner, but I never claimed all were, I simply said “many” witch has been tested by certain manufactures when running an economy tune. An economy tune is what a lot of guys run the majority of the time. Yes there are also guys that run the higher performance tunes the majority of the time, but as another poster pointed out they are finding that the ammonia emissions from the DEF system are actually polluting more than the visible smoke. Lastly I’m not trying to argue the function of a land fill, I was just making a point that the DEF containers create unnecessary waste.
“the tunes make the engines far more reliable and run much better…
But they certainly are not cleaner … ”
If engines are far more reliable and run much better, then overall are they not better for the environment? Producing new engines and parts to repair or replace older ones, if you include the raw materials used, the processing, the manufacturing, the transportation and the labor, there is an impact that should be considered (measured) in any evaluation of a specific technology.
” Emissions equipment is the #1 cause of engine failure and downtime on a modern diesel.”
Same old lie that no one can back up with facts. Show us a nationwide study documenting that emissions are the main cause of current diesel engine failures. Don’t give us a link to a YouTube clip, or an anecdotal story, but give us an actual study that we can read, see who provides the data, etc. I always ask for proof and people never provide it.
Facts count.
You don’t need a study, this is beyond common knowledge in the diesel community or anyone who owns diesel.
Just look up 6.4 powerstroke emissions issues. They are ticking time bombs unless they are deleted it costs a fortune maintaining those POS.
My ’05 diesel Excursion costed 14k of waranty work because of the emissions system. Go figure.
“You don’t need a study, this is beyond common knowledge in the diesel community or anyone who owns diesel.”
Hilarious! You should know that a lie perpetuated by people in a website discussion group isn’t considered factual. And that’s the reason I always ask for a study. Because people give the same lame excuse you just did and never back it up with facts. Your claims are a lie. And I’m an owner of a 2017 Chevy Colorado with the 2.8 L Duramax engine. Emissions control cause no widespread problems with current diesel engines. Who cares about your 2005 example and if it’s true. it’s 2021.
Facts count.
They are so widespread their have been lawsuits. Pull your head out of your ass.
Emissions systems have gotten MUCH WORSE since my ’05. That was the last of the diesels that still only had a cat.
Ever seen many Cummins go into the shops with 10 to 15k bills? Guess not. Ever see a Ford or Chevy with a 10 to 15k bill? Obviously not.
I have and seen many, why do you think the aftermarket world makes these products and tunes? Because the stock ones were so great?!
Your logic doesn’t even make sense.
Just because it didn’t happen to you YET does not mean it’s not happening.
John is correct, anyone who works around modern diesels will tell you the same thing. No one is going to spend the time and money to create a nationwide study. I have seen it with the company I work for. I have seen it with my own truck. I have heard and read about it from countless others. Just because your truck has not had issues yet does not mean it’s not happening. The better question is why are you so triggered?
I’m sorry but yes. One of which is the EGR system. What happens is that the engine is recycling its unburned fuel back into the engine. Often the recycled mixture goes through a cooler. But that simply means you a putting that sludge back into the engine and prematurely ruin the motor.
They are currently working on deleting the EGR system over all, making the engine run as clean as possible and any unburned mixture, will be cleaned off by DOC, DPF and SCR.
Here is the deal. The EPA laws were passed by Congress and the House. They are explicit on what they cover.
Now during the Obama administration the people appointed not the EPA reinterpret the laws to fit their own agenda.
This is where the fight for the RPM law came from. They tried to ban modified cars from being raced even if they were not street cars. This would have devastating effects on the grass roots racing and drag racing. There was a bi partisan push back on it.
Then the Trump Admin came in and the EPA followed the laws as passed for cars.
Now new progressive appointed Biden staff at the EPA is back to banning any changes to ICE vehicles on or off road. The RPM act is now in the court system and in for the long fight.
Many states are adopting the CARB regulations in California where they are very restrictive and damaging. Even if a car runs cleaner on modifications it matters not to them.
Other NE states are trying to ban cat back exhaust that changes nothing on emissions.
It is a future like this that had driven automakers to push harder for EV models as it will only get worse.
I fully expect the auto hobby will be hit in states like CA and NY with higher taxes on older cars or limits to when and how much you may drive a collector car.
In places like England Richard Hammond was hammered by his local government for the number of cars he owns. He wants to build a large building to store them in but was rebuffed with you should sell them from the local politicians.
It’s sad that so many of our basic freedoms and American past times are now being threatened. I’m not against making the world we live in a cleaner place but the way they are going about it should be concerning to everyone.
Yes. The real danger is how laws and the ways we create or change laws are being circumnavigated to force through things that are not always in the best interest of our country.
No one wants bad air but you have to strike the right balance or you will devastate jobs and industry for things that we do needs.
There is no known way to make diesel engines emissions free. Power systems yet to be imagined will make obsolete all combustion engines.
Emissions free? No. But a lot cleaner and more efficient. The opposed piston engine for example.
That’s why we need population control, forced sterilization, and less people on this planet. So you dumb ass people can pollute 10x more than necessary, have plants of jobs and F off and die
You can be the first. But as always, do as I say and not as I do…..
Maybe people should get out of their chairs and vote? Regardless of how some cynics see it, we still steer this ship.
Little room to complain if you aren’t first voting.
What good is a vote if elections are fraudulent?
We did get up and go vote, but ‘big brother’ doesn’t want anyone to believe it.
They are pushing us to communism, taking away our rights, freedoms and everything America knows and loves.
Show us you data or proof of fraud. You looking for a fascist authoritarian government? I guess the best government is the dictator that agrees with you. The converses is also true.
This suit was needed as many folks forget that freedom involves responsibility and how are we individually going to be responsible for people getting emphysema and cancer that the pollution that we are individually generating? Perhaps you could modify your engine to run better and be cleaner than the corporations that literally spend billions developing these systems, but I doubt it. Has any of these people who use these devices or the companies that manufactured them spent the money and time to prove it? I doubt that too.
You don’t even know what fascism means. So shut up.
Id like to see proof of fraudulent elections. Not here, but I’d like to see credible evidence that whatever fraud is alleged, would have turned the election. That said…if more people voted, things would change. Statistic I just saw said 62% of voting aged people voted. So 38% sat on their behinds. Yeah, good way to make a democracy work.
Should have to pay taxes to have the privilege of voting!! Don’t pay don’t get a say!
Yet they use bunker fuel and cloud seeding techniques all over the world to manipulate the weather and we all pay for that, way worse chemicals in that than these Diesel engines.
Well they just need to make them run on biodiesel.
Diesel is dirty but they can be run on other sources. If they want to curb pollution let us use biodiesel
My wife obtained her doctorate in chemical engineering studying the physiochemical properties of aerosols. She has, and continues to, work with Cummins, John Deere, Fairbank Morse, Harley Davidson and others on controlling particulate matter emissions.
To quote a lead engineer from Cummins “internal combustion engines spew a host of toxic garbage, we just try to control a few of them”
I love diesels, just leave them alone.
When i start asking you or the gov for money to buy a new vehicle, then you can tell me what i can and cant do to it.
Its all fun and games until they come for something YOU care about. Then youll wake up. And I’m not about to be lectured by a bunch of politicians who live a life of luxury on MY dime.
You’re anonymous so we’ve no way of knowing if you’re wife even understands let alone researches emission control systems for diesel engines. And that lead engineer you’re quoting is whom and works for what company? Oh yeah, again another anonymous person…
Facts count.
Here is the deal, Ha, Ha, Ha 1
This is just ANOTHER boomer cost problem, plain and simple !
The people involved in the design of these systems KNOW what is possible.
It is SIMPLY another Capitalism COST, problem !
AGAIN, change will NEVER come ( for the better ) in a Capitalistic economy !
The change will HAVE TO be paid for with ” fake ” government money.
Like ALL large scale US upgrades to humanity.
Dams, Bridges, powerplants, water treatment plants, intrastate systems, police, fire, military, mail, and on and on, NONE of these systems ” Turn A PROFIT ” !!!
NONE of these systems were designed to ” TURN A PROFIT ” !!!!!!!
These manufactures KNOW how to do this stuff, people KNOW how to do this stuff, HUMANS KNOW how to do this stuff !!
It is the COST, the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR !!
When we can no longer raise a crop, or have clean drinking water, I sure hope those DOLLARS taste good enough to eat !!
Move to China the Ci- Coms will take care of ya!
Unfortunately there are too many here in the US who think that government as in China is”the future”, is better than what we have. So they are not interested in moving to China, they are interested in having a similar system here.
Spoken like a true welfare recipient. Get a job or two, you’ll never be successful at anything with your attitude…
I am amazed none of you caught the Prestige Worldwide affiliation. I wonder if the Theme song for EZ Lynk is “Boats and Hoes”?
“…Dams, Bridges, powerplants, water treatment plants, intrastate systems, police, fire, military, mail, and on and on, NONE of these systems ” Turn A PROFIT ” !!!”
None of these systems have a reputation for running efficiently either. They are not designed to “turn a profit”, but that does not mean that they are all well designed and built to be effective. Okay, don’t focus on Cost because you don’t want to obsess on
the dollar”, but don’t be surprised at ridiculously high budget overruns and mediocre outputs.
It’s so obvious when your behind a modern diesel that has been modified. It stinks to high hell and belches black soot. The second clue is a 3″ exhaust pipes and two coffee cans for a muffler all in the name for more power and noisy as hell.
3″ pipe is pretty small for a diesel bub
Its so obvious when youre behind a liberal in a forum. They are always worried about what everyone ELSE is doing, but dont want other people telling THEM how to live.
“Its so obvious when youre behind a liberal in a forum. They are always worried about what everyone ELSE is doing, but dont want other people telling THEM how to live.”
What does “liberal” have to do with anything? And whom do you consider “liberal”?
I hunt, fish, go to shooting ranges, didn’t vote for Trump, voted for Obama, think people should come to the US legally but know people who haven’t and understand why some people come here illegally. I’m pro abortion, I’m pro gay marriage, pro environment, etc. And I’m a registered democrat who considers himself liberal. Oh yeah, I own a Chevy Colorado with the 2.8L Duramax engine and really like my truck.
Your idea of thinking all people who you call “liberal” fit into one mold is just incredibly naive…
Todd Jacobs… voted for obama= liberal douchebag.
Ask anyone.
You claim my understanding of what a “liberal” is – is naive. Then you continued on, to list your position on every political issue that would define you as a “liberal” to the known universe – after you asked “whom do i consider a liberal”.
And I’m the naive one?
Logic is amazing, aint it?
I’m sorry to burst your interpretation of an illegal truck as my 05 Ram came stock with 4” exhaust from the turbo back to tailpipe. I added a tuner for improved mileage and get over 20 mpg and have never had any problems with the engine. Also I have tried several fuel additives that claim to improve mileage and they all actually decreased my mpg and I no longer use any of them. In the meantime I have been stuck behind various gasoline powered vehicles that are emissions exempt due to the year built that smell terrible. So run your vehicle of choice legally and respectfully and everyone benefits.
Excuse me sir, my Duramax smells better than your wife’s perfume, the exhaust is 5″, the coffee can is 8″, and makes the sweet sounds of girl on girl love and bald eagle freedom caws. And it does NOT bellow black smoke, because dumping that much more fuel than you can burn is idiotic. Over 500 buff ponies and there’s a tiny bit of black smoke on immediate throttle before the turbo spools, but anyone with coal rolling tunes are the problem. I want the Fords I’m dusting to see what they’re getting dusted by.
Hahaha! I think 3″ is your problem, not my 7.3 Powerstroke’s…
And it on roles coal when you’ve got that stupid look on your face while at the light, sitting in your prius…
It’s telling you, “Be a man! Let them finally drop!”
There will always be hackers to break the code and unlock an ecm,it is just going to cost you.
Other than the guys who max out their power or just wanna roll coal, deleted diesels can burn cleaner than stock emission equipped ones. For years people who have had to get their diesels emissions inspected have done “stealth” deletes where everything is still intact but hollowed out and deactivated. They just put on the economy tune and they pass. A new dpf free stainless exhaust (that still uses the nox and catalytic converters), egr delete kit and tuner to run it all is less than half the price of a new dpf filter that’s just gonna fail again after releasing the same amount of soot as a system without one, and still pass emissions.
If diesels could run cleaner and more efficient with all these hacks and deletes and still pass emissions, why doesn’t the manufactures do it? Because the engine had to work under a wide temperature environment, altitude and load. Because someone like you putting it in economy mode, the local authority will get eise to it and they’ll be checking. VW tried it and lost big time.
Why do you THINK none of the other diesel manufacturers were given the same tests as VW? News flash buddy – its cause they are ALL doing it – because the goals set forth for emissions standards are simply IMPOSSIBLE to obtain. You’re asking the same size engines to run 3 times the amount of systems – all in the name of “lower emissions” that come at the cost of making the engine more INEFFICIENT by adding all this additional equipment. Or have you never wondered why a water pump for a modern diesel is 3 to 4 times the size of the same displacement engine from the 90’s?
With tuning and delete kits on modern diesels, you can literally increase the HP by 50% – and DOUBLE the gas mileage at the same time. Thats how inefficient these engines are forced to be from the factory. Also when people are having to pay thousands to replace an exhaust system and filters – you are just BEGGING the public to find a cheaper alternative. Even funnier – is the gov forcing manufacturers to do this – is just keeping 30 year old diesel trucks on the road longer , cause the average person doesnt have 70 grand to spend on new model, which just drives the demand for old models UP. Logic is amazing, aint it?
No VW just straight lied about what was coming out of the tail pipe and thays why they paid. I dont think it was big time for them.
DEF diesel exhaust fluid
The worst part of all of this, is the Federal government knows that the emissions equipment on all diesel trucks today cause reliability and longevity problems. If anyone wants proof, look at modern ambulances that are diesel. Regardless of brand, they get a emissions exempt card…literally. There is not a single ambulance in my town that isn’t deleted. They get a pass because someone dying due to the EMTs forgetting to put in DEF, or the DPF gets plugged is asking for a lawsuit.
Military vehicles as well, I just saw a video of brand new Cat dozer built for the military with zero emissions equipment.
Military has always has EPA exemption. So yes, they buy the Cat equipment with no emissions (typically still mechanical motors) that are typically only available in 3rd world countries
Plus they burn the red off road diesel that is very high in sulfur
Look at the banks built jltv . It has a l5p duramax with no emissions. The epa should sue the government. Lol
I’ll never own another diesel again.
Too much complicated emission crap on modern diesels.
Too much bureaucratic crap with the EPA I just stick to gas.
Also how about they go after heavy equipment and tractor trailers, buses instead. There is more pollution from those diesels then there is from a small car they just dont want them here because they are alot more efficient then a gas engine and they would lose revenue
They have, Tier 4 Final is very strict. Has all the same emissions as a truck.
Folks this is not just diesel but all ICE out there. The EPA is targeting all and this story is just about a Diesel tuner.
I have seen a number of gasoline tuner companies that have been attached and fined by states and even driven out of business.
Casper made O2 simulators for racers. But they were fined and charged by a few states and the company failed. The time is coming local tuners and other mfg of tuners will be charged and fined.
California already has fined companies over the useless spouts they force that seal nothing. But companies were fined millions over this.
Biden’s choice for the EPA can really do a lot of damage here to many companies, racing and auto enthusiast.
Now you can see why GM has gone all EV as this drops much of the ever changing government grief. Once GM saw that they could make the numbers work to make money they announced the change.
No wonder folks go aftermarket with the tuner kits and emissions delete kits.
The OEM parts are 2 to 4 K not counting labor. Dealerships treat customers as idiots and threatening not release your rig or turn you in if you modify YOUR vehicle. I get the emissions and purpose of it, but make it affordable for the regular working guy. A used rig worth 20-25 k …..and you gotta pay 5k plus for new parts (dealer only) and labor on the exhuast system…..they will not replace a sensor , but the whole system only REALLY. Any body can by a parts changer. I maintain my vehicles, but this just not make good business sense or ROI for me. I paid almost 60 k for my truck…..dealer trade in is 12k now ( 85 k miles) …only on a new rig purchase. The other thing is the DEF aka (cow piss). You figure we would have something a little better by now.
Dammed if you do and dammed if don’t.
Why don’t you government asses stay out of our fun.All ypu commoners stay home and listen to the Washington elites and do what they say! They want to control every little thing….B.S. I’ll do what i want to my truck
Clean air is our future. Think of the children 20years from now. The ozone layer is depleting. Once it has gone the oxygen is gone. Can’t grow food outside all plant life can’t survive. This is our future without clean air. WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN A DOME. NO ANIMALS. Stop being stupid by complaining and help keep us breathing fresh air. The future deserves to breath fresh air too like we do.
Since when is polluting the air we all breath “fun”?
DEF and emissions systems don’t harm or cause major problems with current diesel engines. Show me a study documenting that DEF and or emissions control systems cause major engine issues with current diesel engines. Hint, there isn’t one… I’ve no problems with my 2017 2.8 L Duramax and it’s emission control system.
Whenever I ask someone to back up their claim regarding emissions control systems wrecking diesel engines I just get an anecdotal story about themselves or a “my buddy…” story.
“DEF and emissions systems don’t harm or cause major problems with current Diesel engines” ….. Really? Isn’t claims without nationwide studies what your blasting everyone else for lol. Your picking a losing battle, the slightest amount of research will back up the claims that DEF and emission systems are in fact causing major issues. Your light duty 2.8 Colorado not having problems (yet) doesn’t make you an authority on the subject. The heavy duty working class of trucks are the ones being hit the hardest with emissions problems. Your not going to read about it from the main stream media for many obvious reasons but it’s still a very real issue.
My 2 diesels get better fuel milage and less emissions than a new truck. Its all in the programming. Scored 2 points lower than the 2 new def equipped trucks in front of me. Its all about NOX gas and temperature.
Anybody else read “Prestige Worldwide” and immediately think “Step Brothers”
Anyways, I understand emissions controls help but this is an aftermarket mod and the risk/civil penalties should be the vehicle owners responsibility. “Diesel gate” was a different matter. That was the manufacturer intentionally skirting emissions regulations and not a performance modification.
And we delete our trucks to get fuel milage.. sooo how does all this dpf emissions help when it makes out fuel milage go down?! They’re doing this for another reason bet
I think most guys here that modify their diesels were not around during the 1960’s & 70’s. The purpose of the EPA to to keep the crap out of the air that we all breath, it’s not about better fuel mileage. I grew up outside NYC and we would visit family in NYC, you could smell the diesel fumes in the air. NYC transit ran thousands of diesel buses everyday belching out black soot plus tens of thousands of diesel trucks. One time I flew into Minneapolis around 1978 and you could see the soot cloud laying over the twin cities. LA was worse. Now you get a big head thinking that messing around with emissions is good for you but not for everyone else. If I had COVID and coughed in your face would you like it. Your coughing your exhaust in my face and I don’t like it.
Because of the EPA, technology finally caught up and todays ICE gas engine are incredibly clean and the MPG about doubled from forty years ago. My 73 Charger had the 318 with 140HP on leaded gas and got 14 MPG. My 2019 455HP 6.2L Camaro get well over 25 MPG on the hwy, closer to 30. Local around 22 MPG. A 1974 454 Silverado got 3-5 MPG. I had one.
Your knowledge of history relative to vehicle emissions is spot on. I live in NYC and grew up with gasoline and diesel exhaust. Back then, diesel exhaust smelled great when i was a kid. ’60’s muscle cars went away due to manufacturers crying crocodile tears, unable to control emissions. The same manufacturers today are spitting out some of the highest horsepower cars, pickup trucks and suvs with tight emissions controls, many with more hp than ’60’s muscle cars. These same manufacturers refused to pay royalty rights to Bosch for its invention of electronic fuel injection, failing in their attempts to create their own version. They quietly adopted what’s now standard, Bosch world wide EFI systems. Coupled with engineered emissions control systems and some of the very best EFI engines with tremendous hp are sold in compliance with EPA regulations.
Diesel engines in NYC buses are no longer belching soot. All emissions controlled and zero smoke plus extended tail pipe upwards to expel smokeless exhaust above everyone. The smell is nothing like diesel exhaust of old days (DEF fluid?). We have tandem buses and they haul ass too.
Unfortunately, diesel manufacturers may be in the teething phase of diesel emissions controls similar to auto manufacturers facing designs of emissions controls for cars and pickup trucks in the ’60’s (suvs didn’t exist back then). Science and technology overcame the uphill struggle of auto exhaust emissions. Perhaps diesel’s turn has come and initial versions are just that until tweaking things to allow greater power befitting diesels along with better emissions controls not strangling them as they are presently. Time will tell.
NYC the bastion of liberalism still uses diesel mass transit buses? Around here they have been CNG fueled for a long time.
Seriously? And how many cng buses are running? NYC has the largest public mass transportation system in the world. approximately 5725. If cng was better then the MTA would have long ago switched.
All the emissions numbers is a pile of garbage. These engines are sniff tested at idle, not at any other load. Once the engines go under load, the regen system runs more often then not. How does it do it’s job?……by dumping piles of fuel into the exhaust to ‘burn’ off contaminants. They burn more fuel to labor through the regen process. EPA doesn’t, WON’T, check the emissions numbers under load because all their years of inflating their chests will be discredited, they’ll look like the **tards we all know they are. These aftermarket tunes and delete Systems unlock efficiency and power. In turn, a well breathing – well running engine, will burn much more efficient and have considerably less emissions. The manufacturers can’t make them this way because they are governed by EPA. Judges and lawmakers are too blind, or blinded, to see the truth. It will never change. Very unfortunate. Say hello to life as portrayed in the movie “Demolition Man”, we are almost there.
People, this in no way prevents YOU, the OWNER of your vehicle from modifying it.
It prevents a manufacturer from selling YOU an Illegal device.
Can you plumb, a house you build ? not in our state.
Can you wire a house you build ? not in our state !
Can you drive 100 MPH ? not in our state !
Can you run a business without paying local taxes ? not in our state !
Even ownership, of things.
Do you own your house ? Stop paying property tax for a few years, I bet you find out !
ALL laws passed by the people WE send to government, local, state, and federal.
When did the US citizen stop learning how this stuff works ?
Get on the phone with your congressman, or state legislator and get it changed !
Start getting a petition signed, to bring it to a public vote, then you will see who cares !
In our state, we got the required signatures to bring the pot vote to the public, then it PASSED by the public vote, THEN our legislature KILLED it !! Here we have a problem ! You pay taxes, you get representation, right ? The public passed it, on a public ballot !!! Then our very leaders we voted for the exact same way, killed it !
VOTE !
VOTE for people, NOT a party ! VOTE for a reason !
Maybe you missed the 2020 election – but it was made very clear to anyone who paid attention, that our voting system and will of the people, means precisely DICK. We have the APPEARANCE of democracy, nothing more.
Kevin,
I paid attention !
YOUR GUY
————————- L O S T ————————–
WE THE P E O P L E
VOTED HIM
———————– O U T ———————
And the R U L E O F L A W upheld the V O T E !!!
What do you want a participation trophy ?
Yes – the “majority” of the people voted him out.. which is exactly why the DNC demanded investigations into everything with Trump’s name on it, EXCEPT the voting anomalies in 2020 – even with a signed affidavit from Italy with testimony FROM the person who claimed responsibility for manipulating the election results for 17 states. You can BELIEVE Biden legitimately won 2020 – just as you BELIEVE its possible that 703,000 mail in ballots were opened in Pennsylvania the day after Election Day, and 700,000 all went to Biden with no other vote on the ballot marked.
Its not even funny, it’s disturbing – that you are painfully blind to the fact that you were used as a pawn in a much bigger game being played.
Or did you never bother to wonder why the same party that spent 3 years demanding that our elections must be secured – ultimately DEMANDED the most unsecured form of voting In every swing state? Coincidence?
Mathematical Probability “covid 19” comes into existence at the precise moment in time to create “maximum damage” against Trump’s economy & unemployment gains, And was used to usher in “mail in ballots”. Covid enters USA on same day Trump/China trade deal was signed? Same day Pelosi “released” articles of impeachment after holding them for a month? Mathematical probability all 3 occur on same date? Open your eyes, pawn….
Dont forget about the jewish space lasers !
And the voting machine software !
I forgot about the first constitution !
Isnt Trump president right now ?
March 4 the right !
My wife got both shots, and when Bill Gates was on tv the other night she pissed her pants and jumped up and down on one leg and clucked like a chicken !
Open your eyes, S H E E P !
Kevin,
You do know anyone can make up whatever they want, it does not make it true !
MOST of the states your L O S E R , L O S T in are GOP states !
Independent voters voted him out, its just that simple !
Kevin,
I hope he runs again in 2024, so he can
—–L O S E —–
The popular vote 3 times, like he said.
Or what did he say again ?
Who is he ?
O thats right !
N O T T H E P R E S I D E N T !!!!!
People here speak the truth !
These systems cost and do NOT prevent the very issues they are designed for !
Like my little Canyon, it shifted like $hit from factory, to get a few MPG !
Well it turns out, after a trifecta tune, it drives and shifts great, and the mileage went UP !
Some of the same people here who defend the GM engineers, are NOW degrading the same people !
The def fluid nearly ruined my engine , it formed rock hard crystals on the “fingers” near the injection point… the Def is worse for the environment than the diesel and it kills the economy and performance of a diesel engine, which is one of the most efficient engines built…more government control…
Nope, live in Minneapolis for over 50 years. Not once have I seen ” a soot cloud over the twin cities” clown. But it sounded so good when I typed it, no one will know.
” the Def is worse for the environment than the diesel and it kills the economy and performance of a diesel engine, which is one of the most efficient engines built…more government control…”
You’re just making things up! Show us the study showing diesel exhaust fluid is worse for the environment than diesel…hint, DEF is just water and urea!
Show us the study that DEF kills the economy and performance of diesel engines. My Chevy Colorado with the 2.8 L Duramax is averaging over 27 mpg on the highway. Truck runs great.
Facts count.
Your 2.8 was first produced in 2016 and gm is already discontinuing production. It’s a low pressure combustion engine and will have issues as cylinder wear progresses. Work with a instructor teaching certified chevy mechanics at major training center in Chicago.
DEF varies by manufacturer studies on negative effects are being done. Just as abesetos was once the greatest insulation material found that research and effects take time to study and publish.
Did you read his message?
He first said the the fluid nearly destroyed the engine
Studies are starting to show that the ammonia emissions from the DEF systems actually contribute more to smog than rolling a bunch of soot out the back….also the mining for making these EV batteries is worse on the environment than driving a gas vehicle for 200k+ miles. Government and the media won’t tell you that though 🤣
Really? What studies? Give us a link to the studies so we can see who wrote them, the data they used, and the results of the study.
This is common knowledge, have you never seen how bad for the environment mining lithium is compared to pumping oil?
Oh yeah I forgot, you just believe what CNN says. They are the ones who know anything about anything…..
Most lithium is mined in china or 3rd world countries.
There are different rules for those countries,they bring coal power plants online all the time and screw us with the wind and solar we buy from china
Vote conservative and stop the foolishness.
Take you and your marxists communist views somewhere else… You don’t like capitalism, move!!… Write me back I’ll buy you the plane ticket…
Hahaha thank goodness. I support the government on this one. Everyone commenting is all butthurt now, I love it.
Nothing worse than a bunch of whining Trumpanzees. Cars and trucks are better than they’ve ever been. We have Hellcats and Raptors and all sorts of great vehicles our parents and grandparents could have only dreamed of, and these crybabies are whining about losing their “personal freedoms” because the Government is trying to keep the air clean. You should have seen what the L.A. basin looked like before we had smog controls. It was a rare day when you could see the mountains and your lungs burned when you breathed.
If you took the time to educate yourself rather than immediately resorting to name calling you would have realized that all the cars and trucks you mentioned are now on borrowed time as we now know them thanks to the current administrations policies. (Enjoy them while you can!) Speaking of the Government “trying to keep the air clean”…. the U.S. energy secretary is now calling for increased mineral mining for production of electric vehicles. (Talk about hypocrisy!)
The big guy cannot executive order his way through the next 46 months.There are enough uneducated big guy voters out there that now regret there vote that both house will flip in the mid-terms.
Kevin at 10:54 said it best and hit the nail square on the head. I never figured out how burning more fuel to do the same amount of work was better for the environment. I guess that’s why I’m a truck driver. Enjoy your diesel’s while you can.
Vote for trump he will let you have smoke in every room .will look like China soon no water to drink or clean air to breathe.
Add a HHO generator and inject it into the fuel stream to increase the fuel burn and reduce emissions output by as much as eighty percent while improving horsepower by as much as twenty percent. Science for the win!
The only place in Indiana is in lake and porter counties that have emissions testing before you can re new your registration, I 80/94 is right in those counties and that highway has thousands of trucks and cars that travel through and I bet they don’t have emissions tests ,they are the true polluters and we the very little majority have to be tested , Thant’s not going to clean northwest Indiana
Emission testing is only required in counties that meet the parameters of the epa. Non-sniffer testing ie ecm testing for trouble codes is easily defeated. A good majority of NW In.pollution blows in from chicago.
I am 67 years old and a Veteran and looking forward to receiving my NEW 2021 GMC SLT Dually Diesel. It will probably be the last vehicle I own. I intend to enjoy it the way it is. I pull a 34 foot Fifth Wheel and there are NO Electric Vehicles that can do the job or have the endurance to pull the hills across this GREAT Country.
I have done my duty, paid my taxes put up with all the bullcrap and just want to get away from it all like many others my age and RELAX.
The problem is very simple and can be broken down into THREE words: GREED, POWER, MONEY!
All the nonsense over the years is driven by those words across the world. What happened to a Government elected FOR the People BY the People. We give our politicians the “TITLE” Right Honorable but they are nowhere near that. Will that ever change….NOT in my Life Time I’m afraid. You PAID for that AWESOME Truck.. Go out and ENJOY IT!
All these people on hear talking about their freedom . Have all a confused idea about freedom is . No you do not have the freedom to do what ever you want.. you don’t have the freedom to pollute the air just so you can play with your vehicle.. your so called freedoms don’t even say you have a right to own a vehicle. Or drive if you look driven is a privilege that can be taken away.. there are only a few protected freedoms. And you doing what ever you want is not one of them.
Curt, You are mistaken on a couple of points. While driving on government owned roads is a privilege that can be taken away, I absolutely have the right to own a vehicle. I also have the right to pollute the air as I can burn wood, trash, or even the vehicle I own, on my own property.
Let’s do it this way… You can just list the few protected freedoms you believe we have and I will educate you on reality.
Broke and lazy, sissy snowflake !
Ill bite on this one, as I live in one of the freest states in OUR UNION, the UNITED states of America !
Lets start small, so you can understand.
” On your own property ”
Do you live in a state without property tax ?
If so, where ?
Because all states I know of, charge YOU property tax on YOUR property !
Stop paying that tax for a couple years, see how FREE you feel on YOUR OWN property !
Look, in my state, I can tear down an old barn, build a new house out of the lumber, and do everything myself necessary to live.
Then the TAX PERSON drives up my driveway, and tells me what it is worth and how much tax I will HAVE to pay to keep living here !
Do you have a different system ?
Learn me some reality !
The problem is that everyone’s misguided need for horsepower.. you dont need a vehicle that has more then 300 .
All these tuner cars and street racers should be outlawed.. your vehicle came the way it was meant to run.. you messing with it after the fact. Should be illegal. Driving is a priviledge not a right. Don’t like it take a buss
Meanwhile – the very reason your car comes from factory with 18 inch rims, a nice stereo, 300hp, and a strut tower brace – is because car manufacturers pay attention to what happens in the aftermarket world, and copy those trends in a effort to create better and more desirable vehicles. Logic is amazing, aint it?
Your welcome. 🙂
Based in the US Cayman Islands? Since when did the US acquire the British Caymans?
Oh, get off our backs. What happens when you want a LARGE government. The opposite of what the Constitution says. Now they’ll hover over you like an eagle. Watching your every move.
So last I checked, this was still america. Land of the free, home of the brave, and a government run by the people, for the people. So how about said government gets their fingers out of our cookie jar and lets the people have what they want.
We spend thousands on these trucks, expecting longevity and reliability. Yet by the time you get close to 100k miles, their “amazing” emissions devices are failing and causing severe, expensive damage to the engines in our investments. They also cost more to run as the systems make the engine work harder to push exhaust out, thus costing more in reduced fuel economy.
You’ve got brand new $80k trucks struggling to get past 100k miles, but 20 year old trucks cruising past 400k miles with minimal issues.
So either step back on policing those who wish to delete, or fork up and pay for the repair costs associated with your “great” emissions systems.
LifelongSissyBoy, I pay my taxes and don’t complain or expect anyone to support me. The tax person doesn’t drive up MY driveway because I have a gate. No one can access my property without my permission or a warrant, because I own my property and pay my taxes. Weren’t you just complaining and whining about capitalism? You obviously aren’t capable of saying the same or you wouldn’t be such a crybaby…
Broke lazy sissy snowflake !
OK so we somewhat got one hashed out !
So you DO pay Taxes, on property you own, right, you just said it !
So that is EXACTLY what this IS, a TAX !
The Government is Taxing YOU and I to drive these trucks. Look at it however you want. When OUR government charges US money to do something THEY want US to do IT IS A TAX !!!
The main difference is the party ” talking points ”
As an Independent voter, I pay ZERO attention to ” talking points ” !
The GOP wants YOU to THINK the DEMS want to increase taxes, while the GOP just charges YOU and I in a different way !
And NO, I was NOT complaining about capitalism !
I am 100% capitalist !
You winny baby snowflakes are the NON capitalists here !
The auto manufactures are making the money here !
The government makes them follow the rules the Auto manufactures set for themselves !
Then when people go around the rules, the auto manufactures cry to the government that they have to follow the rules yet Jimmy does not, cry, cry. And so you now have to go after Jimmy !
And I have dogs to keep people at bay, not a gate. Yet in our state, when you do not let the tax man on your property, and they see you building a new house, they come back with the sheriff and a warrant. try it in your state, I live in South Dakota, maybe we are from the same state.
Go ahead, you build a new house on a bare piece of ground, let me know how free you feel when you get done, and how many people come through that gate !
Yet I assume just like most of you snowflakes complaining here, you live on some old family land bought and paid for by your mommy’s !
I have been in the drag racing and road racing scene for 25 years. Have built several stroker small blocks and turbo buicks. I love cars, racing, and back when performance diesel started becoming a thing, I thought they might be cool too.
I’ve changed my mind. The number one thing that the majority of diesel modders like is to blow smoke and be a nuisance. I have had people roll coal on my wife walking my newborn son. Have been driving with my kids in the car and had d bags deliberately fill my car with smoke. Been out running and had people roll coal on me.
I’m 100% ready to see these things regulated out of existence. In a muscle car, the primary purpose of mods is to go fast and have fun. In a diesel, the primary purpose is to mess with people.
And it’s funny to see these geniuses try and act like this is in the name of fuel economy or that they run “cleaner”, or that they make them more reliable. If you want clean, reliable, and good fuel economy, drive an effen prius. It’s not like you are hauling anything 99% of the time otherwise.
The diesel trucks you’re complaining about make up make up a small percentage of diesel trucks owned. That certainly doesn’t justify their behavior as that behavior irritates me as well. Closer to your scene of drag racing it’s also just as irritating with all the kids running around revving their obnoxious sounding cars and racing everything that moves. Once again a small percentage of cars owned but you get my point. Hoping they regulate diesels out of existence is pretty short sighted thinking since they will be coming after performance cars next. I get it, you have had a bad experience with a few kids in your town, but don’t condemn the entire diesel community over the actions of a few.
With this type of thinking, EVERYTHING ‘should be’ regulated simply because ‘someone else’ doesn’t like it. Even more hysterical – is you support your own hobby which serves no purpose other than to entertain yourself – yet youre first in line to take someone else’s away. Hysterical. Soon – simply owning a car will be considered a luxury, and us normal sheep (that includes you) will be told to take mass transit cause theres no REASON to own your own transportation since the gov is already providing some.
How dare we expect you to be forced to tolerate others, while others are forced to tolerate you. Logic is amazing, aint it?
Im glad my Duramax wasnt equipped with def fluid if someone tells me to add ill sa no and leave my truck the way it is deleted
I had a 6.0 Ford diesel with 150k miles, it had injectors replaced 3 times. Ended up with a EGR delete kit, not a single issue when the truck was traded at 425k. I have a Ram eco diesel and a couple weeks ago the EGR manfunctioned and melted the intake manifold.
These emission control systems are crap. I the the pre-Def cummins trucks gain 4mpg by swapping the factory exhaust filters for a pipe and muffler. You may have a bit higher particlate output but your burning less fuel with the increased fuel mileage.
100% Everyone here who is dismissing the issues the emissions probably don’t have a truck or just got one a week ago.
Drive it for a while, let’s see how well you fair after 10,000 miles or less….. At best lots of cost, lots of regens, lots fuel wasted. But more than likely thousands in parts that will just break on short order again.
When I first got my 2015 duramax the first regen didn’t engage until 3,000 miles now it’s about every 200miles thus far, it’s probably getting ready to crash and your right it takes about 1/2 hour for each regen and you lose 5 mpg
Getting ready for my fourth 1700 dollar harness repair to me Def system. 2014 silverado 3500hd. Tried Irish spring soap, natural repellers, nothing works. Was told that vegetable oil is used for the wire insulation and loom and that is what attracts them Saw a squirrel ran out from underneath it this morning. Called GM last time for some kind of help, nothing.
My def heater stopped working they replaced the whole tank for free , because there are 3 heaters that are not serviceable , as for your harness problem if it’s eaten by critters they are not responsible, but if it’s a flaw in the emissions system that should be covered for 100,000 miles
Prestige Worldwide is a joke from a Will Ferrell movie, and there is no such thing as the US Cayman Islands. This article is a sham.
I blame the coal-rolling asshole 100%
The bottom line here is that these products help modern diesels live longer and use less fuel. This is how the majority of similar products work. In the end, this kind of technology saves our natural resources and our environment. The regulated emission packages for these vehicles is a tremendous waste of rare natural resources and adds tremendous production costs to the truck.
On the other hand, most people don’t need a diesel truck. I’ve owned and cared for three in my lifetime and they are a tool to make a living. They are also required to safely move or tow large loads. It amazes me that this is still a topic based on anything but logic. Forget what you think you know, stick to facts.
The problem is the cost to repair the OEM emissions systems. If it cost $800 as opposed to $8000 to fix people would not delete them. If you simply make it competitive to the aftermarket pricing it wouldn’t be an issue. This is why I deleted mine. It was purely a cost issue.
Emissions regulations are smoke and mirrors to make people think something is being done.Just look at when it was first introduced, by adding an air pump on gas engines to pump air directly into exhaust. This just gave less particulates per cubic foot,not better gas mileage. Now EGR is exactly that exhaust gas recirculation,all this does is causes problems that need to be addressed later and premature failure of engine components. None of which is helping the environment. The best possible fuel economy would be better solution
years ago (if its not still made) people over seas were allowed to purchase a diesel smart car that boasted 80 mpg. it was never allowed to sell in the states because it wouldn’t pass our “emission standards” – yet you could buy a diesel truck that got 1/5 or 1/4 of that mileage at any dealer, and they were considered “cleaner”..
it defies all logic…
I’m driving a 2019 Skoda Scala (overseas of course) that will easily get 80mpg on flat ground at 60mph. 1.6l vw tdi.
The thing is, people are arguing based on their background. Europe is flat and small. (Generally) Small electric vehicles make sense here. Just as they do in big US cities. But people conflate their experience with everyone’s experience. Those of us who drive multiple hundreds of miles multiple times a week, do not have the time nor inclination for multiple stops to “refuel”.
This Skoda will pull maybe 50mpg in suburban driving conditions. Pretty good, but not a ton better than my 2015 gas car back home. But on the freeway, especially in the midwest? I’d love to be getting 80mpg+. You are talking 1000 miles per tank.
Wow, I thought this thread was about diesel engines pertaining to emissions. However, seems that politics then get it going in some other direction. Sadly it seems so polarized we have all become. To see how the name calling and offensive antagonistic words are spewed so easily. It’s all too easy sitting st your key boards to do this. Shame on too many here. It does nothing to help and just glaringly shows how everthi mb g has turned toxic. That being said. I have a 2012 bluetec s350 mercedes that has been amazing but also has had a few emission issues that were costly to repair. Its fast, quiet and never smells of diesel has only 44k miles. In comparison, my 1980 300sd has 32k original miles has no emissions. Slow, loud and stinks. The ’80 was amazing in its day as is the ’12 was in its day. Both i still drive and love for different reasons. Having 7 vehicles I likely will never reach high mileage with them. I know the ’80 will last forever and be cheapest to maintain. But we can not expect that diesels can be ok and turn a blind eye to cleaning up the emissions. With out any laws to do so, automakers would straight pipe them. Look I dislike the Prius driver for their elitist attitude of their choice, but just the same I really can not understand the rolling coal crowd either. Reality, the Prius crowd will win out in the long run. Especially when the bragging of rolling coal and rebel yell gun toating antics continue like here. People, cant we all get along, really. Sadly, I just expect to be bullied and trashed here for my writing. Bring it on, but reply if you do, but come back to it one day way in the future and again let me know how smart you really look if you happen to be one of these ones that just wants to invite anger and tangent topics then do so. I will likely bite my tongue in having manners education and open mind to your reply. But no pity for your future if you just can not see the tragic reveal n your tirade and bragadocious response that hold no cards and the game is over. Ciao
Not just here. Inability to have a discussion without devolving to politics then name calling is pretty much impossible on any public forum.