Cadillac has a swath of new all-electric models on the docket, with the Lyriq crossover slated to be the first out the gates. However, following the Lyriq will be the new Cadillac Celestiq, which is framed as the luxury marque’s latest range-topping flagship sedan. Now, we’re getting a look at what the new Celestiq could look like thanks to the following GM Authority rendering image.
We based our Cadillac Celestiq rendering on the Cadillac Escala concept introduced at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance in 2016, given the Escala is tipped to provide the inspiration for the up-and-coming all-electric flagship. The exterior is long and wide, with a gently sloping roofline that falls back into the trunk in a single arc.
To this framework, we added modern all-electric styling cues pulled from the Cadillac Lyriq, including a reshaped front end featuring the same triangular side intake treatment, crest-shaped solid front grille section, and ultra-thin lighting elements.
Further styling features include complex, plus-sized wheels, L-shaped tail lamps, and polished silver trim. The C-pillar is also particularly wide, enhancing the rear hatch section of the large flagship sedan model.
The look helps to frame the Cadillac Celestiq as a spiritual successor to the top-shelf, ultra-luxury four-doors of Cadillac’s past. That positioning will continue into the cabin, where the Celestiq is believed to incorporate a 2+2 seating arrangement and oodles of high-end materials for a handcrafted fit and finish. The tech features will also be cutting-edge, with a series of huge touchscreens and self-driving tech, all of which fall in line with the Celestiq’s robust all-electric powertrain.
Pricing for all this goodness is expected to be around $200,000. The Cadillac Celestiq was originally expected to launch prior to 2025 calendar year, but has since been moved up to the 2023 calendar year.
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OK, that render actually looks good. Too bad about the cost.
I’m actually stunned by how close this render is to the real thing, major props to GMA. The Celestiq is wider, longer and a little lower than the Escala, and the rear end is a bit off, but other than that, it’s a terrific rendering. The C pillar especially is quite close…in the production model, it’s the most visually intriguing part.
The first thing GMA did right was base the render off the Escala…that’s because in reality, the Celestiq is the Escala project, just electrified. The Escala was going to be a production car until GM killed off the CT6 and the Omega platform. Once that project got killed, GM decided to keep it going, and tasked the Escala team to electrify the car and make it larger, bolder more visually enhanced. Thus, the Celestiq was born. The actual car is going to be the talk of the industry, without a doubt.
Have you seen the Celestiq? I’m really curious about it’s proportions and the rear hatch design. I think the Lyriq is nice but something rubs me the wrong way about the rear lighting / design.
I haven’t seen the whole thing yet, just some pieces (I don’t work for GM). BUT, it’s easy to put those pieces together to get the full picture, many are readily available online, too.
Imagine the Escala concept. Now make it lower, longer and MUCH wider. This is a massive car. GM officially revealed the front end at CES, so check that out, there’s your front end.
The REAL party happens out back…and starts with the C pillar. It’s MASSIVE. I mean huge, it’s a major focal point on the car. It’s so massive because the car is effectively a sportback design. Remember the Hudson Hornet? Google “1953 Hudson Hornet 4 Door Sedan 5.0.” That’ll give you kind of an idea of what to expect. The only difference is, where the Hornet was a tall car, the Celestiq is a low-roof car, very sleek and long.
As for what to expect, take the word of someone who’s seen all the pieces put together and saw the entire car in March 2020. “This car needs to be seen to be appreciated,” writes one attendee at the Cadillac Celestiq flagship sedan reveal. “We just could not take our eyes off it. If you thought the CT6 was big, think even bigger.” And as far as the rear lighting, “The new Escalade’s vertical lights look like Walmart toys by comparison.”
The Cadillac world is about to be turned on its head.
Same here, I understand that the designers want to break the mold when it comes to ones expectations with the design language of Cadillac and I can side with that as well, but the taillight design has an extreme approach that’s going to really take some getting use to.
GM could just make the escala. GM is killing me.
Ok, why the rear looks like frikin Prius!?
It doesn’t.
If you close one eye, then, squint with the other eye with a blindfold on, it kind of looks like a Prius.
It doesn’t, It has a modern interpretation of the Cadillac tail like sections of old.
John it doesn’t.The car is very Cadillac. They struck the right chord with this car !
As I’ve asked before, why do manufactures feel the need to make a lot of electric cars look so damn ugly?
I think it looks great. But will it look that great when it’s actually produced? Cadillac has a reputation of bringing out great prototypes and then making boring cars compared to the Prototypes.What a shame.. Everyone knows this. This is not new news. But if they wanted to, they could command the market with beautiful and elegant designs. I’m not sure who’s in charge ( Mary) but they need to step it up and they could be a leader like they once were in the past.
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I respect all 👍and I’m fine with other peeps opinions.
It’s your right to agree or, disagree!
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I would not pay for this 200k
You cannot afford it anyway.
I’m a millionaire.
Italian and other pseudonyms,
You live under a bridge and you use wifi at the library to torment GM Authority readers…
Go back to gai chat on InsieEVs, rainbow wally.
So millionaire? Hmm.
Why do you come to this site? You hate the GM brands and think everything is terrible. It would be like me going onto a Toyota site. But I’m smarter than that, so I don’t go on them.
Please go to another site or figure out how to add something of value to this site.
almost as bad as a guy who hates japanese cars but works at a japanese auto dealer.
“Millionaire” just doesn’t have the cachet it used to in an era of Centibillionaires, Dr. Evil
Yeah…..you’ve got a million lire…so that’s about 50 cent.
Yea especially seeing how it is an EV with some glorified computers on board. Way less parts but commands a higher price for a drivetrain conceived in the 20th century, which lost.
Maybe it is going to be that much because Cadillac is accounting for inflation and this car is going to come out in 2041 realistically. By then the cheapest Bentley will start at 500k.
Don’t worry Italian,
I am a millionaire also.
No problem.
But why does it matter ?
People here are weird as what a millionaire would buy !
It will not be a $200,000 Cadillac or a $112,000 GMC Hummer in EV form for me.
I hope it all works out for GM also.
If GM sells enough of these EVs in the USA, the minimum wage will have to be $20 an hour.
LGM,
You really don’t matter because you represent the old GM. You know the one that went bankrupt. Life is going too fast for people like you and you can’t keep up but you can still buy old boats that you like for now… Better yet, restore one. You will end up with something electric soon regardless. You know the type the decrepit and elderly use to get around.
Would you work for 15 to $20 an hour? With that kind of money, you can’t afford any car. Old f’ers like you like to see people stay in the dumps and work for nothing. Is that how you made your money on other people’s backs?
Ageist much Techfluffer?
Most people seasoned enough to long for simpler times and salt of the earth enough to hold “old GM” in high regard are the very antithesis of young, status and tech obsessed elite hypocrites spouting off about income inequality from the comfort of their gated luxury highrises.
Chances are (I’ll defer to John Houseman on this) the old timer probably made his money the old fashioned way: he earned it.
Anyway, do consider that if you don’t for whatever reason clock out prematurely, it won’t be too long before you’re old and slow, too. It sneaks up out of nowhere. What then? You gonna off yourself? How about just mellowing into being somewhat less of a jackass instead?
Techprodigee,
I am a coder !
Sure 52 years old, however not an old floaty boat Cadillac driver.
We drive an ATS now !
As far as me not buying an EV Cadillac, I was just speaking when these come out.
I live in South Dakota, and we will be number 49 to get the infrastructure to support an EV !
I also build and install Solar, at my location I have my own solar grid, so I could easily use an EV. Yet if I travel in the state, and 75% of our travels are there, I simply would not be able to charge until I reach home.
I can not wait, for this to come, and have been dreaming for a better Cadillac for 30 years.
Hope to own one of these Celestiq vehicles, although for us we like the CT5 size sedan !
And the Lyriq interior in a CT5 size Celestiq sedan would fit us just fine when the infrastruture comes.
Until they have a CT4 with powertrain options to match the Tesla Model 3, I don’t think Cadillac and GM are serious about EVs.
I agree that Cadillac needs a CT4/CT5 successor that is electric. Sedans will still have followers – but not many with the bank account for a $200k Celestiq. The new electric platform should make a more affordable sedan (or even a coupe sibling too) more affordable. I said it on another post, but a family of electric low roof cars similar to the second gen CTS family would cover most their bases outside of SUVs.
While I am not thrilled with the rear end styling, it certainly is not as ugly as a Prius. The front looks great, but PLEASE Cadillac, dump the STUPID name! Cadillac has one of the greatest storied history in the auto world. Surely the brains at Cadillac could find one of them to use. How about Phaeton, from the gorgeous 1937 Cadillac, it even sounds “electric”. Or even Eldorado E? Celle DeVille? Think of all the positive comparisons this new car would get, to when Cadillac was the “Standard of the World.”
We need to remember this car is electric and many of the styling details are for added aero and range.
The fact Cadillac is going rear hatch has much to do with better aero. Same for the sharp edges on the quarter panel.
Because of the better aero they had to go to a hatch to make it useful for cargo. Tesla had to do the same on the S.
I need to see it in person but with so many SUV and CUV models out it is not totally out of place and should not stand out.
The key is to make sure with the open back there is no added interior noise as many hatch cars have. I am sure they will have that handled as with EV cars all noise really stands out due to no cover of the engine.
“The key is to make sure with the open back there is no added interior noise as many hatch cars have. I am sure they will have that handled as with EV cars all noise really stands out due to no cover of the engine.”
EXACTLY! This is the reason no SUV should ever be considered a “flagfship luxury vehicle”….The trunk is IN the vehicle, unlike an automobile!
I think the renderings are beautiful, but does anyone really think Cadillac can sell a $200,000 Sedan. Cadillac couldn’t sell a $60,000 Allante, an $80,000 dollar XLR or an $65,000 CT6. If anyone, at Cadillac or GM, actually thinks they can sell a $200,000 Sedan, he or she should be replaced immediately. I would love to read the business proposal on that one because it simply makes no sense.
Well they stop selling cheapo XTS to funeral homes, limo/taxi companies and cheap suit buyers..
They don’t plan on selling a lot of Celestiqs. They are semi hand-built with I’m sure a laundry list of custom options. It’s not a car for a lot of people. It’s meant to be a halo car for Cadillac like the Hummer EV (to a cheaper extent) is for GMC.
With the exception of the CT6, you are correct. The SUV’s are a disaster…..
The Cadillac XT4, XT5, and XT6, are poorly designed, underpowered, and lack amenities when considering the competition. Check out the Lincoln Aviator, Nautilus, Corsair, and Navigator, all with multiple powertrains, and much more upscale interiors, especially the Black Label editions.
Look, I have a Platinum Escalade, and it doesn’t compare to a Black label Navigator. I am also a GM stockholder, so I’m not trying to promote the competition……..
What is luxurious about the tacked on iPad’s in Lincoln products? From my perspective, it’s cheap looking and a total after thought.
I agree with you about the nav screen and location, but have you ever sat in a Black Label Navigator. One of my friends has a White one, and it is amazing, White everywhere with Navy Blue piping, plenty of chrome, the nav screen does amazing things well, and that fantastic console between the rear seats looks sooo amazing and the Escalade, not even the 2021, has one…..
The Celestiqu will be killed off after the second year. It simply will not sell in enough numbers to make it financially feasible. The dealers/service dept. will not change their current mindset to accommodate the high end customer. Just go visit your local RR dealership, and then ask yourself if Cadillac can pull this off.
Where are the headlights?
I currently own, among other automobiles, 2 Cadillac CT6’s….a 2018 Platinum, and 2020 Platinum. I love them both, and believe they are among the 5 best Cadillac Automobiles ever built. The uniqueness is the TT V6 in the 2018, and the TT V8 Blackwing is amazing….
I don’t care for an EV….I like the roar, and ground pounding power of a V8. Thats why I also have several Corvettes, and am on 2 lists for a 2022 ZO6 , and a CTS-V…..
The front looks a little awkward, but I do like the rear….I wonder if the interior will look like the Escala………will the rear shelf rise with your luggage…..will it go 500 miles between charging………….will I pay $200,000 for it……NO!
Seven thumbs down for what??? The only thing I said you could disagree with is….it won’t sell…..
So tell me thumbs down people, how many of you will walk the walk, and not just talk the talk.
Mad because Stinklon don’t have nothing like this in the cards. They could revived the Continental brand with all top-end E/Vs with a CD6 sedan that replace Continental and MKZ for Lincoln but well, you know..
Foundation Of Retarded Decisions…..
Hey John M Engleman,
I didn’t downvote your comment, but I can respond to it since my opinion differs from yours.
First of all, Caddy definitely won’t kill the Celestiq after 2 years (production begins August 2023). The main reason for this is because, actually, the production costs for the vehicle will be unbelievably low. I’m an ICE guy through and through, and I love a massive displacement V8 as much as anyone, but one of the undeniable benefits of electric vehicles is cost sharing. GM will have only 2 EV platforms: BEV3 (coupes, sedans, hatchbacks and crossovers), and BT1 (SUVs and trucks). The Celestiq will ride on a modified, stretched version of the BEV3, meaning it shares it’s basic structure with a HUGE number of other cars, particularly top-selling crossovers.
Why is this important? Those crossovers sales (which sell like hotcakes in the tens and hundreds of thousands) will pay for the platform development for the Celestiq. We’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars. Now, the platform will be modified for Celestiq use (structural rigidity, ride, etc.), but 85% of the engineering will be already paid off. You used to need a bespoke platform for flagship sedans (see the Omega platform for your CT6’s), but not anymore.
As a consequence, GM will be making a killing on each Celestiq sold, particularly the versions that make it over $200,000. I mean that with absolute certainty. Because development costs are so low, they can afford to be more extravagant with interior appointments, and fit and finish will be class-leading, since these things will be built by hand…at the GM Tech Center, believe it or not. You heard it here first.
GM doesn’t need to sell many Celestiqs to make money…they’ll be making substantial money on each one sold. That’s why they only plan on making about 500/yr – this is a flagship vehicle, essentially coach-built. It will not only be profitable, but it’ll be the image bearer for the entire brand. And what an image it will be, believe me. They’ll easily sell 500/yr, and may increase production.
If you can get past the electric drivetrain (which honestly is suiting for the car, as it’s going to be ultra quiet), I think you’ll really like the Celestiq upon reveal. If you liked the designs of the Sixteen, Ciel, Elmiraj and Escala, you’re going to love the design of the Celestiq. It’s a concept-looking super lux flagship that’s actually entering production. The tech it’ll have, the unbelievable interior and the stunning exterior design will draw you in.
Cheers, brother!
G8 Burnout:
All I can say is THANK YOU. I’m glad you posted that.
Megeebee,
Thanks for the kind words, my friend. John Engelman does make good points when he points to the character lost without the engine/sound element of a car…it’s one of the reasons why I love the CT6 Platinum with the Blackwing V8. However, there really is a terrific business case to be made by GM for producing an electric Celestiq flagship. Cost savings, image maximization, technology, classic Caddy proportions…the car is going to be incredible.
I think you read me wrong. Most of the things you mention, about the EV platforms, the BEV3, and the BT1, I was already aware of. As a stockholder, you get invited to certain events because, after all, GM’s main is to please it’s stockholders.
Believe me, I want the Celestiq , and all the electrics, to be successful. It benefits me, as a stockholder in the end.
Remember, the cost sharing was there when GM decided to go with the modular chassis a few years back, I’m sure you remember the SSA through SST program , which was to limit the chassis over the entire line of vehicles to 14. Then this program was cancelled. Actually the Omega chassis could have been considered the 1st since it was a blending of three separate metals, where GM has the patents, all 29 of them for bonding those metals together.
I should have clarified what I was saying somewhat better. I do like the Celestiq, it is a beautiful vehicle from what I’ve seen so far. I loved the Escala. I was lucky enough to see it in the flesh before it made the auto show circuit. I have a tendency to be very skeptical about GM future programs based on GM’s past history of longevity of product, together with just plain bad management. More often than not, they have adopted the “cut and run” policy in the last several years when the discussion about costs, and profitability comes down. Some examples being….the CT6, the Blackwing engine, the Escala, the CTS Coupe, and convertible, as well as the Sport wagon. I could go back 25 years, and list many examples, but I think you get it
Maybe I have become too much of a skeptic. I really wanted them, in the worst way, to continue with the CT6, I have two, a 2018, and 2020, both Platinums, because I love SC, and think they are the best from GM/Cadillac in 50 years.
My family have owned Cadillacs since 1934, beginning with the ’34 V16 Aerodynamic Coupe of my grandparents. One of the most incredible feats of engineering ever at Cadillac. My father has told me that my grandfather knew many people at GM/Cadillac, people like Nicholas Dreystadt, one of their best engineers of the 30’s and a GM. They have owned Fleetwoods, Town Sedans, Cabriolets and Eldorados. My parents owned a 1958 Eldorado Brougham, I was 14 then, and and thought that was even more beautiful and amazing than a 1956 Continental Mark II, ownd by my mother, and one of the few non GM automobiles we ever owned. Yes, over 125 Cadillacs in over 80 years…
When you have lived as long as I have, and you have seen what Cadillac once was, and now…God I hate this truck thing, this SUV thing. I want Cadillac to get back to it’s greatness, where it belongs, and you will never do it with a Chevy truck.
I, like you, loved and wanted the Ciel, I see it in the front of my ’18 CT6, and the Sixteen, El Miraj, and Escala. I was so frustrated and would vent at stockholder meetings every chance I got’
Yes, I will buy the Celestiq, if I’m still around, I have already spoken to my dealership about it and offered to give them money, but they say, “not yet”. Do I regret that it is all electric, it will take some getting used to…I love those ground pounding V8’s, that’s why I own several Corvettes, including the 2022 ZO6 i have on order…
I am amazed that many here have not figured out that I sometimes play the devil’s advocate, just to see how many I can get to vigorously defend Cadillac, individuals like you G8, there are always Cadillac haters….
but not the damn trucks….
That’s fair enough. Amazing that your family has owned 125 Caddys over 80 years, that’s terrific. My grandfather owned a number of Cadillacs in the 1970’s, Sedan deVilles, Eldorados, etc. In the 80’s, he needed to buy more practical vehicles for running his company, and moved to Buick after he retired. Always bought GM. As far as I know, other than a great aunt, I’m the first in the family to own Cadillacs since he stopped 40 odd years back. So I can appreciate your Cadillac passion.
What I disagreed with was you saying it wouldn’t sell. I strongly dissent there.
It’s funny, I see two general comments that ALWAYS pop up in Cadillac discussions (not you per se, just generally). The first is, Cadillac has left behind what made it successful, i.e. the big, floaty, boldly designed vehicles that focused exclusively on comfort and luxury. These people despise the CT sedans, XT crossovers, etc. Some like the Escalade, others don’t.
The second general comment comes from the same people: they argue that Cadillac is stupid to think that anyone would ever pay big money for an Elmiraj, an Escala, or a Celestiq. “They don’t know their customer base.” So you want Cadillac to return to their old formula, only you don’t?? You think they failed by leaving behind a winning formula, but trying to get back to that formula is a bad idea? Huh??
I’m much younger than you are, so I wasn’t around to witness Cadillac in their heyday. The huge, rolling works of art, American expression, extravagance and elegance…vehicles they built in the 30’s, 40’s, and especially 50’s and 60’s. They’re always the first vehicles I’m drawn to at local cruise-ins. Some of them preceded me by nearly 40 years, yet they speak to me. I often say I wish I had been born in the 50’s, for reasons that include but extend far beyond cars.
That’s why the Celestiq excites me. I’m no Cadillac apologist as you imply; in fact, I’ve been VERY critical of them, most recently with the killing off of the CT6 and Blackwing. I loved that car, it was incredible. But while that deserved the criticism, the Celestiq project deserves praise. The car promises to be even more extravagant than the CT6, even more extravagant than the Escala…it is a simply massive car. Huge. You want to talk about a return to form, this is it. Hand-built. Stunning design. It’s a modern take on the Standard of the World formula. And I am 100% confident that it will not only work, but be a resounding success. This for the reasons I outlined in my original comment.
I’m not a vigorous defender of Cadillac. I get your frustrations with the trucks and SUVs. But truth be told, vehicles like the Escalade provided us the best option to even smell the glory days of the big, luxury Caddys. With the Celestiq, we now FINALLY have a chance to witness a true thoroughbred option once again. I really hope you enjoy the car, man. Cheers
It’s quite nice and should please the CUV crowd by riding slightly higher and having a hatch.
Unfortunately, it’s a Cadillac using yet another silly naming convention. It’s a failed brand outside of China, unfortunately, that few wealthy people desire.
Wait, you can thumbs down Steve, but actually everything he said is true. Although I don’t see how it will please the CUV crowd.
This is exactly what I said the other day. GM doesn’t have the clout or prestige to charge $200,000 for a car.
I think they have the clout, but GM doesn’t have a clue about how to market automobiles.
How many Cadillac commercials do you see on tv?…… For automobiles…..
How many for the CT6 did you see?
How many for the CT4, and CT5 have you seen since their launch..
You can’t sell what you don’t market…
GM spent more money marketing the Corvette C8 in the last two years than any other vehicle.
Mr. Engleman:
You seem always to equate TV commercials with Marketing. They’re not the same thing.
When was the last tume you saw a TV Ad for an Audi A8?
S Class?
7 series?
Rolls Royce?
Exactly,
The people who buy those high end cars (target market) don’t watch TV and see commercials. They’re too busy making money…
I buy high end cars and I watch TV……………..
Megebee…..
I owe you an apology and I make it here now on this forum for all to see. Something I do not do often, because as everyone knows….I am correct 98% of the time, Ahhh, but that other 2%…..Anyway, I took your comment on another thread too personally. It almost felt like you were attacking my experiences with Cadillac, and my family history with Cadillac.
They are all gone now, and so are many of those great Cadillac’s. I am the last, and since I am gay, and 76, there will be no others to follow. I think I have become to critical and sarcastic with age. It has a tendency to make you too defensive.
So, Megebee. I do apologize to you, for my abruptness, and reactive responses.. You would think that my skin would be pretty thick by now
I am very fortunate to have a wonderful husband, and his 8 year old son. Who I think the world of and would do anything for. Two amazing people who have filled that void in my life.
I do hope, though, that I am around long enough to drive that damn Corvette, if it ever gets built………..
You have my respect for this apology, John. A classy move. Megeebee is a terrific commenter, he knows his stuff and is very in-tune with the times from everything I can tell. But you have a lifetime of experience with Cadillacs that create an unrivaling passion here, and I think that’s of value.
Point being, there’s a ton of room here for both of your perspectives to enrich the Caddy/GM experience. You both know a lot, and even when you disagree, it provides great debate. Gets people of both sides thinking and re-evaluating. That’s something we need more of.
Thank you for that. I do appreciate it. It IS comforting to know that there are many Cadillac supporters on this forum. Let’s all endeavor to get Cadillac back to being….”The Standard of the World”
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………..and how many do they sell, all sold fewer than the CT6 did,…thank goodness…..and yet which one got cancelled for…………”lack of sales”
……….really.
I think the lower tail lights are positioned too low. I think the bottom edge will line up with the that side body crease and the top point will be closer to the corner of the upper L lights. Otherwise it’s how I imagined it.
Keep in mind this is a render so it is not the real deal in detail. Before getting too critical let’s see the real thing.
Hideous. Not a chance I would ever look at one.
It does look good except for those massive fake brake ducts. Why, why why?
The openings channel air from the front of the car to the side for better aerodynamics.
They are not brake ducts.
The marketing material will say they’re some kind of air curtains. Regardless, they don’t have to be the focal point of the entire front end. Air curtains can be very discreet but obviously, the designers had something else in mind.
As a potential customer, this feature detracts from an otherwise clean look up front.
Sir it is a matter of opinion of a part on a rendering not done by of a car GM has not even shown to the public.
Before we get snooty about it let’s see the real thing.
So far from I’m seeing by the teasers, the Celestiq seems like the vehicle the Cadillac brand needs. People have been wanting Cadillac to make a competitor to Rolls-Royce and Bentley for years, and now it’s finally happening! The Celestiq will be hand-built, and Cadillac is expecting to sell hundreds of the Celestiq per year, which is just right for a $200,000 vehicle. Y’all saying in the comments that the car looks ugly, but just remember, you haven’t seen the car yet, and this is just a render.
Stop and think a minute Justin….How many S Class vehicles does MB sell a year, and they have 3 models………..How many A8’s………..how many 8 Series BMW’s………..and all of them are UNDER $200,000….
Seriously……hundreds at $200,000
Are you getting one?
Who, on this forum, is getting one?
There is a BIG HOLE in the Cadillac line-up……from CT5 to……………………………………………Celestiq……….from $70,000 to…………………………………………..$200,000.
I’m talking about Automobiles, not trucks/SUV’s……They are of two different mindsets…..
This is gonna be so cool.
It will definitely be cool………but cool doesn’t make a profit, unless it sells….
I adore Cadillacs & loyalist,since literally a child ,when riding in the famous ones ,like the legendary 59 ,& 63 ,64 among others.
I stuck with the brand ( and I not OLD ) through thick,& thin .
I do love this car & think Cadillac has struck the right note with it .
It’s very evocative of past Cadillac legends.
I would beg Cadillac to go all out with bold tail lights ala ‘ fins ‘ , which is the most beloved styling cues of the brand .
I would live to return – apply one of the legendary names in its past.
The management of Cadillac must understand that for years Cadillac has been literally competing with itself : The awesome beautiful ones of the past ,which everyone desired : The of Stars & Presidents .
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I’d love to see a convertible electric too …nobody In the market has one .
Stop being ‘ hip & cute ‘, but be what they were: Glamour , power. luxury .A dream & aspiration.
Actually, no one in the segment has a flagship luxury EV…..not MB, Not BMW, not Lexus, or Audi, or Bentley and RR. Mind you, I’m not talking about a truck/SUV. I’m talking about the true expression of luxury…….the flagship AUTOMOBILE.
A flagship convertible would be desirable as well as a Coupe and Sedan. After all, RR has all three……
All the cheappies keep forgetting from 1930-57 Cadillac always offered an utterly expensive car for sale, this pickup from where the ’57 Eldorado left off. With that stated I hope the CT6 will be offered again between CT5 and Celestiq in America again.
I hope so to. It is an amazing luxury vehicle, with the worlds best chassis. If they gave the CT6 the support it deserves, continued with the technology advancement, and high quality materials, it would continue to sell in the $85,000-$120,000 range. Especially with the Blackwing engine…
Before they cancelled it, it outsold the S Class, 7 and 8 Series BMW, Audi A8, and Lexus S500. They should eliminate the Base, and Luxury models, and go with the Premium, and Platinum….
GM I really want a Ciel. It would be sooo cool. Electric or 6.2 don’t care, just build it!
At the two previous stockholder meetings, and other ones when I had an opportunity to talk to GM brass like Mark Reuss, I ask why not use the C8 chassis, since it is readily available, and the existing engine technology, or the upcoming flat plane crank being developed for the ZO6 and create a Cadillac CS1. In effect, a Cadillac Corvette with a more upscale exterior/interior…..a Cien if you please…..everything is there, or, under development.
The answers I got ranged from…..
keeping the asking price of the Celestiq in mind….
“the developmental costs, and low volume, would not justify the price of the automobile”…,.,makes no sense to me, the car would sell, look at the C8.
” we have pitched that idea to Tadge (Juechter), and he isall for it”
” we have that idea under development” ……..when I spoke to Tadge at a later date, his reply was….”I /we cannot talk about possible future product”
The most prevalent answer I got was….”I haven’t heard anything about that program. Cadillac is focused on the EV platforms”…
Consider the money GM/Cadillac could make from a product, the C8, that is already a hot seller, and with a chassis already developed. priced at between $120,000-$150,000 it would be highly profitable, and, unlike the Celestiqu, would sell…….
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Thank you for this insight. BTW why oh why did they kill the 4.0 turbo V8, I.e.. the original blackwing engine? I can’t understand why it was dropped!
What the hell is the thumbs down for? I’m merely telling you FACT….
If that was me, it was by mistake, thank you for your insight.
I would be very interested in the inside story for killing off the TT blackwing engine after all the investment.
4.0 turbo V8, huh? Are you actually referring to the scrapped “Ultra V8” that was supposed to replace the Northstar in 2010? Wow, there’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time…
As far as a C8-based Cadillac, it doesn’t make sound business sense for the brand. Cadillac has never been a mid-engined performance brand, as a C8-based Caddy would be. Cadillac HAS been a full-size luxo-barge brand before, however…and not only that, they were once world-renowned for it. That’s what the Celestiq will be.
And especially when you consider that Cadillac is going all-EV by 2030, a mid-engined ‘Lac makes almost no sense at all. A sweet idea, no doubt, but not a good business one.
As far as the Blackwing goes, the engine died when Johan de Nysschen was fired. Why? JDN wanted 2 specific vehicles to ride on the Omega platform that the CT6 rode on…a RWD, 3-row crossover, and the Escala concept, which would have been called CT8. However, in 2018, money for GM was tight, and Cadillac brass was on the verge of changing the brand’s direction to electric. Dropping billions into the RWD crossover and Escala made little sense, so the crossover was dropped in favor of the XT6, and the Escala was killed off…at least in ICE form (it became the Celestiq project). JDN obviously didn’t appreciate this at all, so Cadillac showed him the door.
The Blackwing as a production investment made no sense to keep only in the CT6, especially since the CT6 was headed to the gallows with it’s future platform-mates now killed off. It didn’t fit in Alpha platform applications (CT4-5), and GM didn’t want it in the Escalade for a V variant, either (I never found out why). So that’s why it bit the dust.
But it is sad. They could have kept the CT6, and the Blackwing. They could have used it in the ElMiraj Coupe, and a variant of the El Miraj, as a convertible. There is your CT6-CT8 line-up. They could have had a larger CT6 (CT9) along the lines of the S600 Maybach..
Cadillac greatness restored, and vehicles to go toe to toe with the S Class line-up. Why make amazing concept cars, and get every Cadillac lover full of hope and desire, only to trash them and move on…….to what………..trucks, for Christ sake?
This is what I mean about Cadillac/GM failure……….and the billions of R&D dollars…..trashed””
Where the hell would GM be w/o trucks……….which will not sell forever……thank god
It is sad. Can you imagine a world in which an Elmiraj and Escala reached production?? Glory days at Cadillac.
I’m also with you on the concepts…it’s beyond frustrating. They make so many terrific concepts, arguably the best of any luxury make, yet they never come to production.
One thing I will say about the trucks, though: those truck sales are financing Cadillac’s future. Both the Celestiq and the coupe that’s based off it are being developed with Silverado, Tahoe and Sierra sales money. So while the “restoration of greatness” may have been delayed and electrified, it can still happen, thanks to those trucks.
I do too!
those air curtains need to be bigger. i can still see a “grill”.
This car looks very good.
The car has already been unveiled, hasn’t it?
Only in shadow.
awesome looking car! my only concern is GM has told gm dealers they have to invest $200.000 to adapt to electric cars to stay a caddy dealer, but now they have stated all GM vehicles are going electric so they should help all dealers adapt and get these electric cars on the road! if this really is the future?
GM is spending the money to make sure they stay relevant in the markets pace and hopefully lead. Why aren’t the dealerships showing the same enthusiasm so they can stay relevant?
There are many answers to that question. Most of them are related to profitability…..
The Cadillac Celestiq has been teased in the shadows.
David, The $200,000 investment includes tools, training, equipment and charging stations to sell and service EVs. Also, Cadillac has too many dealerships, so they’re getting rid of some. It will also increase sales for the Cadillac dealers that are investing to sell EV’s.
……and longer lines in the service lanes………no loaner cars, they struggle with this now……something like a 2 week wait to get your car serviced………..go luck if you have a serious prob;em………..
Mr. Englelman.
You don’t know ANY of that.
Really!…..and how many Cadillacs do you own. Well, I own 4
and they go in for service, and various other things, all the time. There are times when there are no loaners for over a week. I am a VIP customer at my Cadillac dealer because I spend a great deal there.
I get them all, detailed and washed there, among various other things.
So let me ask you….what qualifies you to say that to me. You don’t know me. My family has owned Cadillacs since 1934. We have owned over 125 Cadillacs since then. My grandparents, to me have owned Cadillacs.
Yes, I do know that. I own Cadillacs, Corvettes, and GM stock. I’ve been to the Renn Center in Detroit, and the Tech Center in Warren. I have long time friends in both locations that go back to my parents.
When I say these things, and criticize GM/Cadillac, it doesn’t come easy. I don’t own foreign cars, and never will.
So,, for you sir, to say I don’t know anything, is personally insulting.
I ask you…….
How many Cadillacs do you currently own?
Have you ever owned?
How many do you intend to buy?
I never have any trouble getting my car serviced. My dealer always treats me very well. I never wait more than a day or two for an appointment.
Just because you have so much trouble with your dealership doesn’t mean everyone else will/ does. And I certainly don’t see why the arrival of electric Cadillacs would suddenly cause all the problems you listed.
1st of all, your speaking in the past tense, not the future. I am assuming you have a Cadillac…
I never have any trouble. I was speaking generically for the future of service when you eliminate dealerships, jobs, available service, etc.
It’s not just about you….and it’s not about the arrival of electric Cadillacs’
It’s about what I said above…….eliminating dealerships. jobs, and available service……….and don’t we have enough abandoned buildings already in this country. Why are YOU so anxious to close dealerships and eliminate jobs….
Several thoughts {comma} the Escalade cells so why not this car {question-mark} {period} I’ll never be able to afford it until 2035 when it’s 10 years old {period} I’d really like to see it’s range compared to the Tesla and until Friday’s like this it’s 6 or 800 miles to the charge they won’t be worth anything
The Celestiq will be global product. Most will likely go to China and the Mid- East. They plan on about 500 or so a year. The people who buy these will not care much about range. They’ll have lovely garages with charging equipment. I don’t know that many will want to take them on cross-country road trips.
With what authority do you speak from?
Where do you get this information?
Do you have an in at the Renn Center?
Have you ever been to Detroit?
Do you even own a Cadillac, Mr. authority.
I can confirm what Megeebee stated in his comment.
The Celestiq is indeed going to be a global product, with most sales still coming from the USA. It will be built at the Warren Tech Center in Michigan, right on the grounds, by hand. 500 units a year is more or less the intended 1st year production goal, and production may increase for year 2.
And for whatever it’s worth, I drive a Cadillac. Not really relevant, but so I might have a prayer at credibility… 😉
I do own a Cadillac. I’ve never owned anything else.
Do you disagree with my post?
It’s been stated by Mark Ruess that the Celestiq will be built at a rate 1 to 1.5 a day.
Whether I’ve ever been to Detroit or not is irrelevant.
Well if you knew Mr. Ruess, as I do, you wouldn’t quote him…
So, out of curiosity , do you plan to buy a Celestiq?
Sheep will always be sheep………..and there are plenty of sheep on this forum….
…… and anachronisms will always be anachronisms.
Could this be a reserected CT6 with a new name and All-New Electric Powertrain?, overall, it looks good, the Taillights though; in my opinion could be a little less dramatic
Raymond J:
Not really.
According to reports, it’s larger.
It’s price is nearly 4 times the base cost of a CT6.
I’m sure it’s only a matter of time when an electric sedan in the approximate price class of the CT6 comes to market. But GM is concentrating on CUVs/SUVs first. They fetch higher prices and sell much better than sedans in that price class. I think it’s hoped that producing high-price/high profit product first will establish Cadillac in a higher relative position, and also help defray the billions spent developing the electric platforms.
Excuse me, I didn’t know you worked for GM…….
You seem to be so full of it………..
So you consider the Celestiq to be a replacement for the CT6?
I do not if your asking me…………….
Trust me, if history is any indication, nothing that beautiful will ever be put into production by Cadillac.
China will profit on all electric car sales. China has a monopoly on rare earth metals needed to make electric motors and now China has used the Wuhan virus pandemic to secure a supply of Lithium from Chile in exchange for vaccines.
We can run cars on alcohol…and that’s sun power in the form of fermented plants.
We do not need electric cars.
SINTEF from Norway did a multi-year, multi-million Euro study on long term health effects from BEVs. SINTEF concluded that BEVs are safe as long as long term health effects are neglected. WTF? That’s right….the study that was supposed to examine long term health effects from electric motors had to neglect the very thing it was supposed to study! Oh yeah, SINTEF also stated electric motors are safe, but just in case these should be positioned as far away from the vehicle occupants as possible.
CANCER, aint it a bich!
TESLA, what a bichin ride!!!
By the way, last year was the hottest year on record…..and it was also a year with the lowest concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere in decades….due to the pandemic.
The earth experiences a mini ice age about every 1100 years. This is due to the sun’s cyclic activity. We are now exactly half way between these mini ice ages, so we should be the hottest since the sun is more active. It has nothing to do with CO2.
Pimp-tastic! *barf*