Buick LaCrosse Owners Not Moving To Crossovers As Much As Other Models
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Just last week, GM Authority brought you exclusive insight into the buying habits of Buick owners, with Buick Marketing Manager Rob Peterson indicating that the Tri-Shield brand was seeing success in moving compact and midsize sedan owners into the crossover segment. However, despite that success, Peterson also says that Buick has had less success moving Buick LaCrosse owners into a new crossover.
In a recent interview with GM Authority executive editor Alex Luft, Peterson said that Buick is “not as strong at keeping LaCrosse owners in the brand,” as compared to former Buick Verano and Buick Regal owners.
As GM Authority covered previously, Buick Verano customers are successfully transferring into the Buick Encore and Buick Encore GX, while Buick Regal customers are attracted to the compact crossover segment, the same space as the outgoing Envision and all-new 2021 Buick Envision.
Given Buick’s current lineup is composed solely of crossovers, former Buick sedan owners looking for a new vehicle must either convert to the crossover segment, or defect to another brand. Buick discontinued the Regal following the 2020 model year, while the Verano was discontinued following an abbreviated 2017 model year.
However, following the North American discontinuation of the Buick LaCrosse after the 2019 model year, Buick has apparently been less successful in moving former LaCrosse owners into the crossover segment, suggesting that larger sedan customers are more loyal to the sedan segment specifically than they are to a particular brand.
Essentially, these customers specifically want a sedan, as opposed to a vehicle from a given brand.
Of course, Buick isn’t the only automaker to discontinue its large sedan models. Several former Buick LaCrosse rivals have also been given the axe, including the Lincoln MKZ. Lincoln has also discontinued the Continental.
For now, the Lexus ES is more or less the only model remaining in the segment. Even so, sales for the Lexus ES are down, as indicated by the segment sale results for the 2020 calendar year.
Sales Numbers - Large Premium Sedans - Q4 2020 - United States
| MODEL | YTD 20 / YTD 19 | YTD 20 | YTD 19 | YTD 20 SHARE | YTD 19 SHARE |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| LEXUS ES | -15.67% | 43,292 | 51,336 | 77% | 67% |
| LINCOLN MKZ | -29.38% | 12,518 | 17,725 | 22% | 23% |
| BUICK LACROSSE | -96.82% | 230 | 7,241 | 0% | 9% |
| TOTAL | -26.56% | 56,040 | 76,302 |
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Let ’em eat cake. Sedan lovers are settling for something they don’t really want. Afraid ice owners will be in same position in few years.
Sedan owners settling for something they don’t really want?!?!?
Sounds preposterous! I purchased my 2019 Lacrosse Avenir specifically because (1) it is a Buick and (2) it is a ‘large’ sedan. Before you quip about old folks, understand that I am in my mid forties and have owned nearly every type of vehicle, so I knew exactly what I wanted and what I didn’t want. I can say with certainty that I am not the only new vehicle buyer that prefers a sedan over a SUV. So, as you’ve suggested, I’ll eat my cake, cinnamon rum bundt with vanilla icing…
Darnell
Never mentioned age, you did. I feel sorry for any owner that can’t find a gm product that best suits there desire. The let them eat cake quip is gm ‘s stance to long time sedan buyers. They don’t care.
They don’t sell… Why keep making a product that you lose money on. There was a big push in my region to sell impalas last year. They sold them almost at a lost to get them off the lots. Fwd boring sedans are out of style. The only way they would sell one to me is if they did a charger competitor. The chevy SS was a great idea but no one knew about it, no commercials, no advertising, no inventory at most dealers and honestly they could have made it better looking. It looked like an upset Impala nothing more. Anyways that’s my 2¢.
Iam ready to just have my new lacrosse shipped over from china
Same exact boat. Mid 40s being dumped by Lincoln. Going to have to find a different auto maker.
I have had many Buicks since 1980. Currently have a 2021Buick Avenir that my wife loves. My favorite was the 2004 LeSabre. Had it for 8 years and gave it to my son for college. He said it was a great comfortable sedan with a huge trunk that was very reliable. In Florida I still see Buick LeSabres all the time. Talking to an owner the other day, he said he constantly gets asked to sell his LeSabre. When we decided to get a another large full size sedan for 4 people to replace our Genesis we ended up with of the last of the U.S.A. KIA Cadenza’s. Would have bought a Buick Lacrosse but forced to look elsewhere. Where do I get a comfortable Audi A7 Type 4 door 4 person Sedan under $50K (Tax, Tags, Delivery)? That’s the market Buick Accountants don’t know exists in the U.S.
The LaCrosse Avenir 2020 ,2021 and 2022 looks freaking amazing bring it back to the USA
I love my 2016 lacrosse. Make some new cars that are just a little taller with performance equal to or better than mine with same or better room and trunk space. My car is wonderful and SUV feel like let down. Plus hard to get in and out. Male 2022 Lacrosse.
I hate suvcuvs. I would buy pre-owned before buying one of the aforementioned. Basically, consumers are being force fed what automakers want them to buy (more profit!). I read on a Ford blog that Fusion was one of the best selling vehicles for the company when it was axed. Same for Lincoln and MKZ. In fact, when GM started killing off sedans, I had planned to go buy a 2020 MKZ. That plan was shot down. So now I am relegated to Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES350, and (maybe) Chrysler 300C until it is chopped. Cadillac is out of the question as I think the CT4 and 5 are vile looking. What’s left for a consumer? USED AND CPO SEDANS! Ya did it to yourself, GM. Now fix your mistake before you lose your customer base over greed and profitability!
Who’s idea was it stop making the Buick LaCrosse Avenir ?: Not smart bring back the LaCrosse
Did you forget about the Toyota Avalon?
I understand why Buick is going to suv’s, but that doesn’t mean ALL Buick owners are going to follow that. I know that you are going after the millenial market, but the Encore is just Plain UGLY,AND SMALL. The Enclave or the envision are GREAT LOOKING vehicles, but COST TO MUCH.
Further to all that, these SUVs don’t have the power nor the luxiry affprded in the Buick sedans. All the SUVs are 4 cylinder. You have to get a tirbo to come close to the HP…and they require premiam. My 1967 LeSabre i had at 19/20 yrs old was a 300 V8 which required regularl gas. Gas prices will begin sleep increases mid decade as mfrs move to electric cars. Why make the investment?
Agreed. We are 59-60 yrs. old. My husband is 6’4” and I am 5’10”. We are both in good shape.
We enjoy traveling by car.
We have had a Buick Regal, too small for my taste, a Park Avenue that I loved and currently have a 2014 LaCrosse that we are comfortable in.
I guess we will have to go to another company for our next two cars, we both need new ones.
I love Buick but I care more about my comfort.
F— Toyota!
DaBa: If GM will produce the LaCrosse for the USA but build it in China, will you buy it? If not, then why would you ever consider a Toyota? Double standard.
Dan Berning – you nailed it. GM would be happy to continue selling Buick sedans if there is a demand for them. But they certainly won’t be made in North America because the demand is no longer there to support local assembly. But shipping them over from China must be fairly simple since the cars are already designed to meet North American standards. Politically it may have been untenable to import Chinese-made cars, but since pretty much everything else is being made there now, the stigma will eventually reduce and allow for their importation. And GM would just love the profit they would pull per unit under that scenario.
The Buick Envision is built in China… so why not send a few Lacrosse cars to the U.S. with those? The Encore is a Korean built Suzuki shit box. The Enclave is the only North American built Buick. Notice that there are no shit box Buicks for sale in China, only the better and larger models. Also note that over a million Buicks per year are sold there as compared to 150,000 in the U.S. The Chinese standard of living goes up, and ours goes down. When Buick made sedans like the Electra, Park Avenue, and LeSabre, they used to sell near a million cars per year here and made lots of profit for GM. Obviously, people want nice sized sedans or there would be no Lexus, Avalon, Audi, Kia or Hyundai Genesis sedans. Also obviously, GM has taken Buick down a path heading for elimination in the U.S. GM said they were going to focus on their core competency – building cars. They have since, completely ceded the car market because they are incompetent in their ‘core competency’. BTW, I can’t get my 90 plus year old mother into a CUV – they are too high for her, so will be buying an import sedan, since I can’t buy an American one. It takes the sales of the current cars to finance the future electrics. May Barra and GM will simply have to recognize the fatal shortcomings of the path they have chosen; and realize they may not have the cash on hand to pay owner-stockholders while investing in the future simultaneously.
Is the U.A.W. in the plants in China yet?
Yes yes That’s what I bought (Avalon) 2nd car for wife!! It is almost baby luxury Lexus, Cadillac with all the options even AWD
You’re a sellout. Move to Japan Engineerguyse!
Dan,
You are big hypocrite, you make your living off of two imports, Mazda and Volvo but yet you criticize those that opt to buy an American made vehicle from a foreign manufacturer.
This is a GM board so you’re not going to hear about cars that are out there I can compete Mercedes has sedans BMW has sedans Nissan has a large sedan Mazda has a large sedan sorry GM your board sucks and you should fire everybody
You forget these numbers do not include the fact there is little advertising and Covid 19. The fact is Tesla sells 190,000 sedans out of total sales of 260,000 in the USA, so GM & Ford have once again screwed up.
This is clear indication that both the China built La Crosse & CT6 need to brought state side like the Envision. Genesis now has both cars and SUV’s as does Audi , Mercdes, BMW, Volvo, Lexus, and Acura. GM needs to realize they need to keep current customers. Chrysler kept Challenger & Charger and advertise both. Both are best sellers in their segments – #1 spot.
The fact that most SUV now carry high rebates combined with Bolt incentives being the most generous in the industry is clear indication that current strategy is not working nor are any of GM or Fords SUV’S #1 in sales in any segment, where their is serious competition.The charts provided here prove that.
I am a Buick buyer since 1987 and I currently own 2004 Le Sabre, 2014 Regal, & 2017 3.6 La Crosse Premium. Both the Regal & La Crosse get compliments every where I go.
I will have to start to consider Genesis & Volvo
2020 U.S.sales
Toyota Avalon 18,292 down 33% from 2019
Nissan Maxima 18,058 down 48%
Chrysler 300. 16,683 down 43%
Toyota’s philosophy of build crappy crossovers and people will buy your sedans is working. Only a few hundred thousand buyers have defected to Subaru.
gm, has decided to force crossover/suv station wagons, wagons are not everyone purchase list. O well, again dropping out of the another market by ending sedans. Will see gm go the way of Packard, Stutabaker, AMC in coming years.
I own a 16 lacrosse . Love it !!! If a wanted a cross over I would have brought one . Sad American have to go foreign .
Me too. Everybody I know who owns them raves about them. Haven’t had a single problem – the reliability and build quality are top notch – and it hauls since it is a 300+ HP car. But customers either didn’t know about it or didn’t care – which is too bad. That generation of LaCrosse was probably the best car GM ever made – perhaps it was too good?
I love my 2011 LaCrosse CSL. I bought it used right before its 5-year warranty expired and it had 20,050 miles. The previous owner bought it and got a company car from the IRS 6 months later. Lucky me!
I’m a female in my late 40’s with no kids at home. I’ve been there and done the soccer-mom SUV thing. Like you, if I wanted a cross over I would have bought one. They are force feeding everyone these vehicles, but I think they need to reevaluate the market considering all the other sedans that have been discontinued. I’ve considered an Avalon (built here in KY) or the new Envision. This is my 5th Buick and I’m brand loyal, but I don’t think that applies to vehicles built in China.
Most Americans didn’t know. Just look at Buick advertising, both in quality and quantity. Same stupid music in the background for six years. Not enough, and what there is sucks. Who cares about auto parallel parking that Ford had eight years ago. Buick reliability and style were legendary. What is offered now is lackluster and overpriced crossovers.
I just traded my 2013 lacrosse for a mercedes. I wish I had not. I miss it doooo much! I would trade it for another lacrosse.
I would love it if they were real station wagons, like the Regal TourX.
Mary will dictate what we drive, fear not. My wife drives a LaCrosse, her 2nd one, loves it.
I’m tired of the sexist comments here. You may not claim to be sexist, although you don’t realize you are. If it were a male at the helm of GM, you’d simply say ‘GM Management or Leadership’
She should mismanaged and BK GM so Mary can be in the “GM boys club “…..
I can be pretty chauvinist but MB is doing stuff that’s related to making a company survive, I like it.
As for sedans I suggest GM can do one Buick sedan here so they won’t alienate remaining car buyers because Buick offers plenty of sedans in China and the CT5 can hit $ 6 figures, plenty of room for a Buick performance car.
i don’t want to be forced into something i really don’t want ,but i do know Buick LOST 3 sales
As a car guy raised in the Detroit area; the Buick Sedans have been my choice for many years. Now that my old Buick Lucerne is getting long in the tooth I will have to look elsewhere for a full sized sedan, can you say Toyota. I have never owned anything but American until now! SAD situation.
DaBa: You buy Toyota, you are selling out 100%.
Just so you know, the Avalon was never built in Japan, only in the U.S. and in Australia, now just Kentucky.
Lurch: I don’t care. The money goes to Japan. Are you also a sellout? Total double standard to think it’s ok to buy anything from Japan and then cry about anything China.
Personal attacks ain’t cool. Let’s keep the focus on the cars.
The money doesn’t all go to Japan. Much of it stays in the U.S. for worker pay and benefits, corporate income taxes, and even to pay U.S. parts suppliers. Bet you didn’t know that both the Camry and the Avalon have more domestic parts/labor content than either the Chevy Malibu or the Ford F-150 for the 2020 model year? (source: cars.com)
They are, after all, multinational corporations. Like ships, they fly flags of convenience.
Parker51
Bet you didn’t know
In 2020 Toyota/Lexus sold 2,110,000 vehicles in the U.S. Toyota/Lexus built 960,000 vehicles in the U.S.
And you can shove those Yokahama tires used on the Avalon and Camry up your back side. Even if they come Alabama.
We bought a new car, the first that is not a GM. Ford or FCA. On basis the vehicle is built in the U.S.A. & well fellow U.S.A. workers are being paid a wage. That leaves Buick with the Enclave (sits to high for my wife to get into without a step stool lol) as the only Buick built in the U.S.A. The rest of the line-up from Buick you are giving your money to cover wages for Chinese workers at the Wuling/GM assembly plants.
There are only 2 domestic brand cars that are still built in the U.S.A., the Chevrolet Corvette Kentucky and Ford Mustang in Michigan, my wife laughed and said, no way any 2 doors. WE did look at The Chevrolet Malibu, the sales person said order soon as they will be going away soon too!
Stephen
Your kind of Stupid. Where your parents related by chance?
Just for the record:
• The Buick Encore & Encore GX are made in South Korea which is not part of China
• The Chevy Camaro, Cadillac CT4 & CT5 are built in Lansing Michigan. Which is a part of the U.S.
• Chevy Bolt built in Orion Lakes Michigan
• The Chevy Malibu is built in Kansas City Kansas.
Lol Peter you’re very heart less person from your comments. You buy the Encores you pay the wages for S. Korean assembly workers, still no U.S.A. workers included on those models. We went to test drive a Chevy Malibu, the salesman said order one soon as the Malibu and Camaro will soon follow the Impala. The Cadillac CT6 was wonderful then Cadillac killed it off, the CT4 & CT5, very tight leg room and over priced for us none millionaires. Like the Bolt, but needs to be around longer to see how they will last.
Stephen: Making all the excuses for why you didn’t buy an American product. I’ve dealt with this for way too many years. People coming up with every excuse as to why they sold out and purchased a Japanese brand car. I’m certain that when these import brands no longer have a sedan next time, you will probably find a reason why you chose to stay with them instead of buying an American brand.
You do realize that no matter where GM builds a car, there are many American’s that earn a living on that car. All while the profits stay here. You buy your import brand built in the US by non-union workers and the profits go directly back to the land of the rising sun. You should be so proud.
Japan who said that?
Stephen
South Korea Is not Japan.
1. South Korea is known for B.B.Q. and rextra crunchy fried Chicken.
2. Japan is known for eating Whale and not cooking fish.
3. You can buy a U.S. made vehicle in South Korea and many people do.
4.Nissan’s market share in Japan tanked when they tried importing a small car from Thailand.
5. If you park a Korean car in my driveway there won’t be any bulletholes in it when you get back.
Who said Japan!
The money made on the Chinese Buicks stays in China at the ever growing GM Center in China.
Sedans are preferred due to their lower profile, and by extension, lower aerodynamic drag. As a retired 41-year automotive engineer, the last sedan I bought new was a 2004 Impala LS. This choice was made because it was the smallest GM vehicle with the 3800 Series II (an absolutely dynamite engine) installed. Unfortunately GM saw fit to discontinue the 3800 over 10 years ago. SUVs are a bad joke, especially the AWD variety, so when I needed a new vehicle I purchased a 2020 Tahoe LT. Why? because of its part-time 4WD, full frame construction, proven 6L80 transmission and proven 5.3L L83 engine. Until I decide on a new sedan I will keep the 2004 3800 Series II running, by rebuilding, or whatever means possible, and keep going on road trips with my LS1 C5.
As a Buick buyer I am migrating to other brand but there’s no human power that is going to make me buy an SUV or a crossover no matter what for the simple reason that I don’t like them. I’m not the only GM buyer that thinks this way. Even when SUV’s and crossovers sell like hot cakes today, cancelling all sedans will only make that those leaving to other brands looking for a sedan, may not come back to Buick when market trends change again. A shame that a company that produced excellent cars like the GNX, the Riviera, the Century or the Regal produces now boring, unexiting and cookie cutter SUV’s and crossovers. I hope Buick gets cured of this SUV cancer and produces at least one decent automobile (sedan or coupe) for those who like driving and do care how they are transported from point A to point B.
So what brand you going with? Cadillac? Chrysler? Lexus or Toyota? Idk. Tesla?! There’s not very much affordable brands left that offer a sedan that’s not electric. But Buick should absolutely offer a sedan especially since the majority of Buick’s I see are sedans. Buick can make the exuse that they weren’t selling them but they also just dropped them all in only a few short years and never redesigned them and gave them a chance. Due to the electric push I think they might bring back sedans though to due to the better range sedans bring.
Mike: I totally agree that Buick should still have a sedan. I’ve said that many times on here and especially as of late. I’ve suggested that Buick and Chevrolet should share two sedans for now with just changes to the exterior panels and interior. This would keep sedan buyers with Buick while giving them cars for when the market shifts again. What I don’t get is how people just can’t see the true picture and why sedans are being dropped by everyone. When you have the beautiful LaCrosse sitting for over 150 days on average and the Enclave sells much faster, what do you think dealers will do? When 7 or 8 or 9 out of 10 people coming in are asking for SUV’s, what do the dealers do? Take our Volvo’s for example. Absolutely nobody is asking for an S90, yet we sell a lot of XC90’s. Very few S60’s are being sold, yet the XC60 sells very well. Take the Mazda: The better selling Mazda 3 are now the 5 door hatch with AWD. Mazda 6? Dead man walking. Take every Mazda sale of the 3, 6 and MIata and they don’t come close to the CX5.
BTW, Buick/GM actually did refresh the cars a few times. From 2005 when the LaCrosse came out, it was updated or totally redesigned numerous times. It didn’t help. Sad, but true.
Ford did the same with letting the Taurus go for years with out updates. That was a main reason the Big 3 were so successful in the past as they were updating popular models, instead of letting them fade into history.
When the time comes, I will be buying a sedan. While the make has not yet been determined, the body style certainly has been.
When my wife decided to try car sales back in 2017, she worked at a standalone Buick Dealership. As part of her training, she brought home a new Buick every few days to get familiar with them. My favorite car that she brought home was a fully loaded LaCrosse. It had a sticker over $52K. I know it was just a more luxurious version of the Impala, but I regret not buying one before Buick got rid of them. The other car I regret not getting was the Regal Tour X.
What is Buick thinking? The LaCrosse is a flagship type sedan that we love, and so does many members of our extended family. My wife enjoyed hers so much that she purchased a 2nd one. Smooth ride and lower profile, comparable to my E-Class Mercedes. I was considering purchasing a Buick instead of another Mercedes. But I am less inclined to pursue that due to the model changes / deletions Buick is pursuing.
We wanted a Buick, had a 2006 LaCrosseand loved her…just bought a 2020 Impala. Love it but a shame that Buick can’t make a sedan!
It is truly sad that Buick is producing only SUVs and Crossovers. I had a LaCrosse and now a Regal Sportback and they are absolutely the best cars I’ve ever owned. I would always favor a sedan over an SUV. And I can’t imagine what make of car I will buy but it will be a sedan since I won’t be buying a Buick. I’m sure that when the time comes Chevrolet won’t be making a sedan either.
Just give Buick owners what they want. It’s not fair to them that there’s really no sedan options anymore except for the Chrysler 300 which I suspect that a lot of them are going to move to the 300 or Toyota Avalon. I get that the sedan market isn’t as profitable anymore but at least they should offer a option since the market is starting to shift again due to EVs and sedans having better range compared to SUVs.
If i were a large sedan owner who ready to looking for an upgrade while sticking with the category Tesla Model S and up and coming Lucid Air would be the conceivable alternatives.
I’m beginning to think that GMA is just putting these same stories on here to see how worked up they can get us all. I also see a lot of comments (most not good) about Mary and blaming her for everything including their burnt toast in the morning. Come on, move on. But what I think is the most interesting on EVERY one of these articles is how people complain about sedans being gone. Ask yourself why? Why is it that all brands are moving away from sedans? I’m not bias towards SUV’s myself. I just purchased a new sedan (CT4) last month. I’ve also owned many SUV’s. If there were enough buyers (not tire kickers) who were actually buying sedans, then they would still be here. And for those above who keep bringing up Toyota? Get real. You will sell out to Toyota over this? And when Toyota drops the Avalon in only a short time, then what? And why would you defect to Toyota, yet not give Cadillac a look? After all, they offer two sedans now.
Sorry, but these articles are getting old and it’s getting even older listening to everyone repeat the same junk. I’m not against sedans. I’m not for or against SUV’s. It’s business and they must make money and must offer what the MAJORITY of the BUYERS want.
Mr. Berning: I have to agree with your first line and the GM intent to get us all worked up. There was a Camaro labeled as a “production intent prototype” I saw at the Indiana State Fair prior to the 5th Gen Camaro Start Of Production years ago. It had a squared-off, very prominent, nose that looked just like a 6th Gen Dodge Charger copy.
I was absolutely horrified. Very soon thereafter GM had a show and tell for us GM Employees at the Indianapolis Zoo parking lot and I asked one of the reps there how I could express my reaction about the Camaro “prototype” nose to GM Marketing. She gave me an e-mail address for Chevrolet Marketing in Warren, MI. I wrote an e-mail To Whom It May Concern and left it at that.
Not more than a week or two later I received a stern and very tersely worded note from a “[email protected] gm.com” telling me that I was mistaken and that it was not a copy of the Challenger nose because “we had ours first.” There were no further e-mails between me and whoever the “[email protected]” actually was.
It is interesting to note that the 5th Gen Camaro production nose did not actually end up being the ugly, tall, flat 6th Gen Dodge Charger-type grille that I had seen at the Indiana State Fair earlier. I suspicion you are right about the GM intent. The web is a whole lot cheaper way to get us fired up, get public feedback and mask the true intent of GM corporate instead of wasting a lot of time and money building a Trojan Horse (bogus prototype). Quite amusing to me yet today.
The frustrating part for us consumers is not so much, “Americans don’t want sedans,” but rather, “Americans don’t want sedans made by the Big-3.” There are a number of great, high quality, American sedans that continue to be made in enough selection of models to fulfill potential demand for mid-sized sedans, but just happen to wear the brand badges of Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, and now even Hyundai and Kia. What are the Big-3 doing or not doing to maintain that market? How many of their errors are forced by circumstances (unions, legacy retirement costs, health care costs, world trade relationships) and how many are unforced (quality regimes, advertising and marketing, long-term product planning)?
(Full disclosure: I own a Regal TourX, which was made in Germany. My next car in the distant future might be a Cadillac, if they still make them, or possibly a domesticated import brand if that’s all that’s left.)
Selling out to Toyota?? At least it is made in the US unlike the nice looking Buick ’21 Envision. GM is getting to deep in bed with CCP, not good!
DaBa: You will be nothing more than a sell out! Total double standards?? You will give Japan your money, but complain about GM assembling the Envision in China.
As I’ve said in another post, I’m going to start calling people out on here for the total double standard they use. How about you stop promoting junk from Toyota and consider Cadillac? Chrysler? Dodge? Chevy Malibu?
What’s wrong with giving Japan our money? Toyota makes great reliable vehicles. They’re boring but efficient and reliable. Except for the Supra and the Landcruiser which are really fun and still are reliable. I don’t care where my money is going as long as it’s a company with good ethics and decent to great reliability. The only country I won’t buy from is the UK since all their cars are either overpriced or incredibly unreliable or all of the above. The average customer doesn’t really care where their car is from as long as it meets their budget, needs, some niceties, and is reliable. Also can you really see a 70 year old driving a 600 hp Dodge Challenger? Most seniors want a nice, comfortable, premium car which Buick offered but doesn’t anymore and the Chrysler 300 is too large for most, the Malibu is a good car but it isn’t in the premium segment, the Cadillacs are good cars but they’re too expensive for most, and the others are either German or Japanese cars which match their needs. The Toyota’s are perfect for most since they’re very reliable, not to complicated, are pretty comfortable, and they’re in the budget range of most seniors. Toyota also makes a lot of their vehicles in the US so some money will go to Japan but the majority will go the the US such as a person from China buying a Buick in China.
Jeffrey: Let’s take a few things you said above. You say a company with good ethics. Toyota is out. Worst in the industry and Honda is very close. The saying in Japan is that if it stinks, put a lid on it. Cover ups all over. Reliability? No better than average unless you worship Consumer Reports.
Average customer doesn’t care where a car is from? Then every single person on here needs to stop the bashing of China and GM’s decisions to build some cars there!
70 year old driving a 600 hp Dodge? First, few of them on the road have anything more than a v6 and most older people want at least a V6. Second, the Dodge and Chrysler cars are very comfortable. The 300 is not as big as the last LaCrosse.
Cadillac is too expensive? Really? So a mid-level Avalon will be mid 30’s for price. You can get a CT4 for less. Many of the CT5’s would be around the same price as the Avalon.
All profits from every Japanese brand vehicle sold goes back to Japan.
Double standards and sell out to every person who buys one.
I go by my 2014 314,630 mi Toyota Land Cruiser with no problems and everyone who has a Toyota. I also have my first Cadillac/GM vehicle (a CT5) as a replacement to my Land Cruiser since it has a lot of miles on it and I’ll have to see how it goes. I was thinking about getting the Lincoln Avitor but it was too expensive and I didn’t need the third row since I only have one kid. I love the CT5’s interior and it has a gorgeous exterior with a decent engine in it and I’m one of the first people buy it so that’s a bonus. I’m not as emotionally attached to it as my Land Cruiser but I like nearly everything about my CT5 so far. I would’ve bought a Avalon but I decided to spend a bit more money and buy the CT5 since I wanted super cruise and the better interior.
Jeffrey: Congrats on the CT5. So far I love my CT4. Hopefully you will love your CT5 for many years.
314,000+ miles is a lot, no doubt. But I’m sure you know that we can both go there. If I were a betting man, I’d say there are more GM’s with super high miles than there are Toyota’s. Seldom will you find someone who purchased that high miles vehicle new and can attest to the true cost of getting there. In other words, what’s the real cost of those miles? When I was at the Buick, Cadillac, GMC and Honda store, we did an evaluation of the true cost of a Buick and a Honda (comparable cars) to get to the 150,000 mile mark. Based on our service department and the required/scheduled maintenance, along with known failures and the cost for those, the Buick was the much cheaper car to own. Point is that any car can do the miles depending on the care and how much you wish to spend getting there.
Jeffrey the reason why the Supra is an exciting vehicle is because it’s a BMW not a Toyota and as for the Land Cruiser that’s exciting because it is what it’s always been ment to be off road luxury. Dan is right your selling out to Japan buying a Japanese car but won’t buy a Buick made in China or a Chevy Made in Mexico. What about all the great GM cars that used to made in Canada? I had a 2002 Camaro Z28 with 5.7 V8 that was made in Canada when I traded it in years ago it had 150,000 miles on it, hardly any rust on the body…I used it year round, it was a great overall car and I miss it I wish I held onto it. My point is GM, Ford and Chrysler, make great cars I am so tired of people going to Toyotas when have some mighty fine American sedans left. BTW my current car is a 2010 Chevy Equinox LTZ fully loaded I love it… it’s got more room then ANY sedan I have ever owned decent power from the V6 and I can drive it year round without worry of snow. I used to think SUVS AND CUVS where worth it until I tried one for myself…the way I look at it is I have a vehicle that’s higher off the ground band offers better visibility, has awd standard, a really nice interior, I can fit tons of stuff in it plus I have a usable roof rack, it can even tow a little if I want to. Now go to the Malibu that’s only a 4 cylinder, front well drive, can’t hold as much junk in the trunk, can barley fit four people comfortably, can’t tow anything and the interior probably isn’t as nice. Hmmm I wonder why I choose as SUV and why GM sells more SUVs then sedans! Even Toyota sells more RAV4’s then Camry’s.
What double standard? It’s just math 101. Toyota builds vehicles in the US with US workers. How many American jobs are lost because GM ships their production to China and Mexico? You don’t have to be a Harvard graduate to figure that one out!
Don’t care DaBa. All profits from all Japanese brands go back to Japan. If you are ok with sending your money there, do it and then move there please. Not me. I’ll walk before I’ll ever drive one.
I had a 2012 Buick Regal GS; bought new. Sold it after 4 years and bought a GMC Acadia Denali. Worst mistake EVER. I found a 2016 Regal GS in great condition so I bought it last month. Love these cars, they drive and look fantastic. I will never own another crossover.
I GAVE UP MY 2017 LaCrosse and got a 2020 Envision. The Envission is not a bad vehicle but does not compare to the LaCrosse. I tried to get 2020 LaCrosse from China but the costs are prohibitive. I cannot see why GM cannot make this vehicle available in the US, after all it is GM’s brand. If Buick is no longer offering sedans, I am changing to an auto manufacturer that does.
( Miss having a trunk, the ride the power and the style.)
Disappointed in Ct.
We love our 2019 Buick Regal Sport Back GS! They can stick their SUV you know where!!!!!
Letting the dust settle a little, I want to say that I do respect the opinions and thoughts of others on here. Today I’ve been trying to point out the double standards many have by complaining about anything Chinese and then promoting buying Japanese. Do I like Japanese brands? No. Do I prefer American brands? Yes. Do I have a thing for SUV’s over cars (sedans)? No. I’ve owned both over the past 20 years with about a 50/50 split. I see the real benefits of the SUV’s, yet like the styling of sedans. And I truly do understand the frustration of many about the sedans going away. It would be fantastic if GM built every vehicle it sells in the USA, but do we need to continually bash the China thing? History will show that the auto business is cyclical. I certainly don’t understand the mindset of someone who has owned GM cars for years and liked them, only to promote buying a Toyota (or whatever) just because GM makes less cars now. The SUV craze is not new and it’s only getting hotter because the buyers are finding the benefits of them and making the decision to buy them. But go back to the ’30’s and 40’s where the mainstream “cars” looked a lot like SUV’s. Then in the late 60’s and 70’s, the wagon was quite popular. It was the 80’s and 90’s when the mini-van took over. But through all that, the traditional sedan sales stayed strong. By 2010, the sedan’s were taking a huge hit and people were and are voting with their money. At the current rate, the sedan will soon be a specialty car with very small numbers. I truly believe that the market will shift back, but will we ever see sedans the way we did only 20 years ago? Probably not.