When General Motors pulled the veil from its new Cadillac CT4 compact luxury sedan, the automaker only showed off the performance-focused CT4-V variant, which pairs the automaker’s turbocharged 2.7-liter L3B four-cylinder engine with its 10-speed automatic transmission.
Now our colleagues at Cadillac Society have unearthed the engine and transmission combination that will power the regular Cadillac CT4 variants: GM’s turbocharged 2.0-liter LSY four-cylinder and M5N eight-speed automatic transmission. In this application, the LSY motor will be making 237 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque – the same amount it makes in other Cadillac products such as the XT4, refreshed XT5, CT5 and the XT6 (in China)
While we aren’t surprised to learn the 2.0-liter LSY engine will make an appearance in the CT4 (it powers the rest of the Cadillac car and crossover lineup, after all) it is a bit unexpected to see GM elect for its eight-speed automatic transmission instead of the 10-speed. The eight-speed has been the subject of customer complaints due to its rough shifting operation and numerous technical service bulletins have been issued over the problem. GM has even faced a class action lawsuit over defective eight-speed transmissions.
The standard Cadillac CT4 will be available in three trim levels: Luxury, Premium Luxury and Sport. Rear-wheel drive will be standard on all models, with all-wheel drive available for extra.
With the respective powertrains for the Cadillac CT4 as well as the CT4-V cemented, we’re still left wondering about the details on the upcoming CT4-V Blackwing high-performance variant. As we reported previously, that model is expected to be powered by an improved version of the twin-turbo 3.6L V6 LF4 engine found in the last-gen ATS-V. Both six-speed manual and ten-speed automatic transmissions should be on offer as well, but we’ll have to wait for GM’s announcement for all the official information.
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Source: Cadillac Society
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8 speed auto, ? 100% inevitable!
fastyle,
Did you mean unbelievable, or inevitable !!!!!!!!
Just the 8 speed reputation alone, combined with the GM horrible customer service, shows the lack of understanding of the Cadillac customer by GM !!!!
Maybe the M5N variant is a good 8 speed, but even if that’s the case, most average buyers don’t know the difference, they only ask someone or research the troubles with the GM 8 speed.
But I wont have to worry, because I will ” never ” own another Cadillac with a 2.0T, ” ever ”
In my opinion,
Good luck with this one Cadillac !!!!
ding ding ding ding
It’s entirely probable that the decision to go with the existing 8AT option was made several years ago (when it would’ve been less controversial), not only as a lower-cost component option, but also a way to add artificial value to (and justify the higher price tag of…) uplevel models with the newer 10-spd. Assuming that the change with spec’d fluid has the desired effect, and especially when in place from the factory, then the 8-spd. should be functionally ‘OK’. That said, sticking with such a mundane ‘corporate’ powertrain does nothing to elevate Cadillac’s brand perception – would it kill them to wring 10-20% more hp/torque out of the LSY vs. the Chevy applications? …and for the merely-adequately-powered CUVs too, please!
Keep in mind that GM has significantly lowered the bar for what the CT4 is supposed to compete with…don’t expect anything more from a base model than what’s ‘good enough’ to match the entry-level lux alternatives at a similar price point. Despite providing a rather un-Cadillac experience, the base ATS with a 2.5L was also able to get out of its own way, and handled great – expect the same from a base CT4, but at a more appropriate price point.
Eric,
That was written superbly !!
There are some assumptions that’s for sure, but if they are true and the platform ( drivetrain) is reliable OK, OK it would or will make on ok, just ok base model Cadillac !
But that is what I still don’t quite get form the so called leaders at GM or Cadillac !!
Why, why does Cadillac need an entry ( base ) vehicle ?
To still try to keep up with the Germans ?
I thought Cadillac wasn’t doing that any longer !!
This is GM we are talking about, GM has a base model, a Chevrolet !
When Cadillac was a leader people, customers, aspired to it, yearned for it, dreamed about it, saved for it and finally bought it !!!
And it was worth the wait !!
Great, top of GM, best of everything GM had to offer !!!
So why do we need a cheap low quality, entry level Cadillac now ?
When the Cadillacs of the past got old, they were passed down, they lasted, were on the road for years, and years.
Still are !!!!
But when GM/Cadillac turns out this low powered cheap crap Cadillac ( in my opinion ), average GM blah !
It doesn’t last, becomes the first to become unreliable, pulls down a higher image !!!
This to me is where GM/Cadillac is wrong – arrogant – has an ego, GM still thinks people think of Cadillac as a competitor to BMW, Mercedes, Audi.
People, customers, no longer think that !!!
Just because you lump your dealers in with the luxury lines doesn’t put your product there !
And that is why GM still thinks Cadillac is cross shopped with those brands, because people look at everything at the auto mall, you mite say.
In reality the Cadillac of today has a hard time competing with the KIA, Hyundai, Lexus, Acura, and so on.
It is my opinion, that’s all, my opinion, that Cadillac needs to drop the cheap base average GM blah, and move to a step up !!
The lowest level Cadillac needs to be better than the highest level Chevrolet, or even Buick, or even GMC,
Just the best of GM, start the base as a step up from Chevrolet and move up from there !!
But now in my opinion, all Cadillac offers is a different looking average GM blah vehicle for more $$$$$$$
And it has been trying to do that since the 80’s or so with zero success !!!
In 2003 or so Lutz brought us the CTS and the likes and sales started going up until the recession, so it was working, something different, better !!
But now we seem to be back to the same old Chevrollac for a base Cadillac !
So I say, good luck making the same old failed ways work this time !!
Does anyone know what happened to Stutz?
I thought the 8spd issues have been worked out with a TCM reprogram and a new type of ATF fluid/additive
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, worked out !
I’ve heard it fixes some, but definitely not all !!!!!
In my opinion
The bulletin addressed the transmission shift issue so long as it was all that pertained to your car. My CTS Premium package with the 3.6 v6 was part of a run with bad valve bodies. Once the valve body and flush were done, I had horrible shifting for the learn period of about 200 miles (which I was forewarned). As I neared 500 miles post service, I noticed everything finally seemed as it should. Now a month out from the service, the transmission which was what I hated most about this vehicle is now one of my favorite parts. It’s now quick to shift, smooth, and I no longer have the frustrating 2-1 jerky downshift.
So why do people complain about the 8 speed transmission? The car is under warranty and they fix the transmission and it works fine afterwards.
So what’s the problem?
Yep Brian,
When the car is under warranty and GM fixes the junk 8 speed transmission, and the fix works fine afterwards ——————-
Everything is great !!!!!!
Everything is fine !!!!!!!!!
However their are a lot, of GM customers, not complainers, where this hasn’t happened !!!
Ask yourself why is there a class action lawsuit ??
Are you one of those people who still believes that the customer still wants to take more time out of their lives just to have to deal with this 8 speed junk longer ?
Again there would be nothing, nothing to even talk about here, not even a story on GMA, if this problem was just ” fixed ” by GM !!
Think about that, the big picture !
Are we talking every two weeks about the windows not rolling down ?
Are we talking every two weeks about the doors not opening, wheels falling off, or just everything that works great on a GM vehicle every day ?
Day in and day out there are millions, and millions of GM vehicles going down the road just fine, nobody is talking about those great GM vehicles !!
We are constantly talking about this GM 8 speed junk, just for that reason !!!!
It is simply not all going great, GM might want you to believe its all going great, its not going great !!
Read, watch, look, listen !!!
And I am not saying the ” new ” fix is not the answer, it might be working on 100% of the vehicles taken to a ” good ” GM dealer to have done !!!
That still leaves hundreds of thousands of GM 8 speeds out there where this is not the case !!
In my opinion.
I will withhold final judgement until I see the CT4 in person, but I think in pictures it looks awful. Just awful.
I wasn’t 100% sold on one based on photographs. I got to see one in person, and it completely sold me. My next car WILL be a CT4-V.
The 2.7L model should be a great little sports sedan. I can’t wait to hear about the hardcore performance model.
FYI to Alex – the XT6 does not have the 2.0L engine. Not even as an option. Just noticed an error in one sentence.
Otherwise, awesome article and thanks for the update!
Correct. We’re referring to the Chinese-market XT6, which is only offered with the 2.0L LSY. Updated to reflect that.
I sure hope so. That is why I will withhold final judgement. I do not like the fact that they went with the Truck Based 2.7 for the V-Light version. Mercedes, audi, and BMW are getting like 400 HP from their 2.0T why can’t Cadillac?
Would love to hear from more current owner to see if the update is working long term or not.
My fluid change has worked well so far and not only cured the suffer but the hard shifts.
It works 90% of the time. If the flush fails the converter needs changed due to heavy glazing that prevents recovery.
Dale,
scott3 had his entire transmission replaced so take what he said with a grain of salt !!
Just continue to read all the GM related sites,
GM does not offer anywhere the customer can have a relationship with another customer for good reason !
Look at the Corvette sites for the Corvettes still not fixed.
Look at the Cadillac sites for the Cadillacs still not fixed.
Look at the GM truck sties for the GM trucks still not fixed.
Look at the Camaro sites for the Camaros still not fixed.
And so on !
It is impossible on the internet to believe most of what is said but weed through and you will still learn that there are a lot of 8 speeds out there not fixed !!
Not to mention the ones that were successfully pushed out of the warranty period by GM !
Wouldn’t it be great if the customer could search the GM case # archives and listen to the real customer feedback !
How daft do you have to be to think that website errors (3rd party makes those) are a sign that the transmissions aren’t all fixed?
GM can issue a recall, that doesn’t mean all customers are going to get the fix. “You can lead a horse to water”…
I agree Vorg, I agree !!
I do not believe anything I read on the intranet !!
But I can tell you for a fact, fact, that all, all, all, of the GM 8 speeds are not, not, not fixed !
And you said why, in your comment !!!
But I see your still blaming the customer !!
Talk about not being able to make a horse drink !!!
“But I can tell you for a fact, fact, that all, all, all, of the GM 8 speeds are not, not, not fixed”
I get that; I’m questioning— how is that necessarily GM’s fault?
Its not necessarily GMs fault vorg.
But this is what is GMs fault !
So say the boomers are getting older, right, we all are.
So they, or a lot of vehicle owners now are driving vehicles less each year, OK.
And I would think, even you would agree that it took a long time and miles for GM to admit the 8 speed was having troubles, ok.
So now you have GM vehicles driving around with junk transmissions slightly out of warranty and the owners just can’t afford to have them fixed !!!!!
Does that really matter to me, not really personally I don’t own one, and would for sure not buy one, but it does matter to them, the owner, and it should matter to GM.
Why should it matter to GM, because now the GM customer is driving GM junk !!!
And when they go to buy a new vehicle will think twice ( maybe ever more than twice ), and it will not be GM.
You see, to me this is a long game, vehicle sales and reputation, not a three year lease game.
Sure the three year lease game is the cash flow of the auto industry, but the long term ownership is the market share game !
And if you wait long enough the long term market share, will catch up to the cash flow lease game.
And when that happens it is now to late to fix it.
And that is where Cadillac is right now !
GM cant figure out why more people aren’t leasing Cadillacs, and it is because the Cadillac long game, or past quality and reliability was horrible, ( and all the reviews and studied proved it )
So you keep telling the GM customer its their fault their GM vehicle is junk, and GM is always great and looking out for the customer.
But it just doesn’t matter to the customer, what you say, when GM does nothing because they are out of warranty and are driving 3 year old GM junk.
What exactly is torque converter glazing? I Googled it but could not find a direct explanation. Thanks.
Ask Google, clutch plate glazing, not torque converter glazing.
Its the clutch plate in the torque converter that is jumping, or shuddering.
A torque converter is fluid- by – fluid and smooth no madder the fluid involved.
GrandAmGT,
Find a old torque converter from the days of lockup, maybe 80ish or newer.
Take your grinder and remove the weld around the OD.
Inside you will find the torque converter cups and the torque converter clutch !!!
They use transmission fluid pressure to engage it, and its a wet clutch like the rest of the clutch plates in an automatic transmission.
I am assuming that’s how the dual clutch works.
The torque converter fluid brings the initial torque up, the first torque converter clutch is engaged, in 1st gear, second gear is also engaged but the second torque converter clutch is disengaged yet, then ” BAM ” let the #1 clutch plate lose at the same time as engaging the#2 clutch plate, then engage third gear and do it all over again.
Its like driving a sling shot, what fun !!!
Cant wait for that C8 !!!
Dale actually Scott is correct on the fix. The service bulletin for the fluid flush has been very successful.
You may read the sites on the recent flush and verify the information.
C8.R,
I agree, it has been very successful !!!
Has it fixed 100% ? I don’t think so !!
And Dale asked long term !!!!
Maybe we should establish ” long term ” !!!!
So as this ” fix ” might be working on some, or even most, what numbers are we talking %’s, 90%, maybe even 95%.
Again look at the numbers, ” real people ” not actors !!!!!
Even if it fixed 95% of the troubled 8 speeds out there, there were millions and millions sold.
What is the number of ” real people “, humans, GM customers still dealing with the troubles of the horrible GM customer support ?
Anyone !!
A fact anywhere ??
They are trying to say, that when the friction material in the torque converter clutch, gets impregnated with the old fluid, it loses its ability to smoothly ” slip hold ” when engaging.
If this happens it jumps, ” shudders” as it attempts to transfer the torque from the engine to the transmission.
In the old days you might be able to sand the friction material or something like that and try again.
But in todays world there are so, so, so many compounds used in the development of friction material when soaked with the wrong stuff, your done.
That’s why when the fluid exchange doesn’t work, its the torque converter that needs to be changed !!
Good enough for you scott3 ?
A mind is a terrible thing to lose, but ignorance is unforgivable.
Your lack of mechanical knowledge I’d readily and painfully apparent.
I am wondering if some of the harshness is from having two clutch plates instead of three in the 6L80/90
Dale the root cause was moisture in the fluid.
That would create the shudder. Now if it had a different clutch it may have help prevent it it may not. No way to tell with out testing it and there is no way to test.
The new fluid appears to resolve the moisture issue and recovers the clutch unless it was glazed beyond recovery. GM then replaces the and that appears to resolve the issue. Time will tell in if it is resolved.
I am sure there was extensive dyno testing but field conditions can sometimes provide results that are not able to be reproduced in the lab.
If you do check the forums the results have been very positive. Those with continued issues find results with a converter replacement or buy back.
Nothing is 100% but they are reaching numbers to where they should be.
But on the web there will always be parasitic observers who will continue complain spreading false info and expose their lack of mechanical ability as well their working knowledge of how the industry works. You can’t fix crazy.
So all 8L transmissions sold currently have the new fluid and should be great now?
I hope these transmissions are much better with that update.
Dale, If C8.R says yes to that statement , I would have it in writing and signed by Marry Barra herself !!!!!
The answer is no, not the currently sold ones !!!!
Maybe the ones coming off the line now, C8.R could say have the fluid.
But not the ones sitting all over the world, new to be currently sold !!!
And C8.R,
What does that mean,
Nothing is 100% but they are reaching numbers to where they should be.
What, is telling who, where the numbers of still failing GM 8 speeds, should be.
And why is it OK ?
Enlighten us with your knowledge, please !!!
C8.R,
Did you have anything to say ?
Just more personal insults !!
What is it with you guys and your personal insults ?
Anyway, moving on.
You see Dale,
When you have been on the sites long enough, people come and go, the fun of voicing your opinion wears out.
But if you stick with it you learn, like a computer algorithm, the connections of the commenters.
Some change their ” names ” but it only takes a few comments to ” relearn ” the connection !
That is why I do not change lifelongGMowner, why.
But the others who are here all the time, some I would guess are current GM employees, or even ex. GM employees.
GM stock holders, engineers, GM dealer employees ETC.
And for sure GM customer service representatives !!!!!!!!!
When what they have to say goes beyond the GM ” caned statement ” ( that is a statement from GM that is all the same for everyone to say ), they have nothing to add !!
When this happens they go into personal degradation mode.
Like , you are:
Crazy.
Need professional help.
Complainer.
A parasite.
A troll.
Ignorant.
You lack knowledge.
They simply don’t know what to say, GM hasn’t told them anything further than the standard ” GM is always right ” statement.
They themselves never have any mechanical, technical, or coding, advice or information to add.
Just you are a flawed person and they are great, I just don’t get it, it has been proven over and over to do nothing to help a cause, or improve anything !!
Don’t believe, learn for yourself, stick around for 4 years or so, its kinda fun !!
In my opinion !
Did anyone notice that the interior looks as though it was taken straight out of the 2018-2019 Buick Regal GS?
More like straight out of the CT5.
The CT5 and CT4 have a nice looking interior. Hopefully the materials are good.
The gunmetal colored CT4 in the article’s photos is really doing it for me. If my wife doesn’t insist on a 3 row crossover, maybe I can get a CT5 V or CT4 V.
Good old GM/Cadillac took parts from the OLD ATS and CTS in put them inside both the NEW CT4/5. Look at the door assemblies.
Take a look at the the door handles, locks and switch in the two news ones and its from the two olds ones. What a let down. The front passenger compartment in the all new CT5 is almost identical from the old CTS. GM will never learn.
This car is ugly. The CT5 looks a little better. What is up with the rear stying all of those creases?
As someone stated in an older post how many times will Caddy / GM push the reset botton on this brand? I remember the Evoq concept when I was a kid. Now almost 20 years later Cadillac still has not gotten it together.
Why the hell is this car not on sale yet? It’s a facelifted ATS Sedan with new powertrains and interior…get on with it already!
Why is this car not on sale yet, Dave? Because it takes time to tool and set everything up at the plants, and because the CT5 comes first in the planned cadence called a strategy.
Also, probably because they’re not making burgers but highly complex automobiles with thousands of parts with great complexity in development and manufacturing. You can do better, right?
You’re the one that’s ugly. Have you seen one in person? I bet you haven’t.
Also, the looks were never the problem for the ATS… and the same goes for the CT4, which is simply more modern and attractive. The CT4 fixes everything wrong with the ATS, including the interior, packaging, and associated segmentation.
So ugly? No. Not at all. They could have continued to use the ATS body with not a single change to it while addressing all these other points like interior and packaging… and the CT4 would have still been great. The fact that they changed the body to be even more attentive is even better.
@Rob
I am assuming your response was to me. Quick question, have we ever met? How the hell do you know I am ugly….Man that’s just Creepy.
Another question…Can you read?
I said I will withhold my final judgement until I see it in person. In photos, it looks ugly to me.
That would mean that yes you are correct, I have NOT seen it in person. Just in Photos.
Rob,
I’m going to give you that one.
We love the way our ATS looks.
We even love the interior, each to their own !!
BUT,
We hate the CUE not working, when it works its ok, no troubles !!, and waiting for the next delamination is fun !!!
I hate the 2.0T and the transmission shift pattern stuff.
I hate the leaky rear differential.
The car is junk to me as far as a Cadillac should be.
But I love the way it looks, in and out !!
So I can tell you this CT4 could be the greatest looking vehicle in the world, but I would never buy one do to the 2.0T ( and I know its ” better ” than ours, but the same as the XT4 ), and the 8 speed transmission ( even if GM gave me a million mile worthless warranty )
You see, I do not have to see it in person.
Now a 2.7T 10 speed, I’m in !!!!
And I feel the same with the CT5 !!
A 2.7 10 speed, I’m in.
But never with a 2.0T 8 – 9 – or 10 speed, even if I love the looks of the vehicle !
Because if you don’t like the looks or like the looks it cost you nothing, its subjective !
But if you have troubles mechanically and have to deal with the horrible GM customer service, it is not subjective !!!
The ATS coupe is gorgeous especially in black. Will they make a CT4 coupe?
V series or bust.
The back of the CT4 looks kind of goofy, but I love the rest of it.
I agree.
I like that the designers are trying to add some interest in rear end’s style, but it
looks like the bottom half of the trunk was stung by a bee. A bit “swollen”!
Yeah, what’s going on with the BMW bangle butt? I thought BMW got rid of them because they weren’t well liked.
I’ve seen the GM 8-speed auto referred to as either the “8L45” for the lower torque versions or “8L90” for higher torque applications (CTS-V, Corvette Z06). Now…do we know what if anything is indicated by using the “M5N” name for the transmission in the base CT4?
It is very possible that GM figured out the torque shudder in their 8-speed and fixed it.
Steve,
It is possible, but again how does anyone know ?
Who do you talk to, to learn the truth ?
Nobody at GM is going to say anything, or put anything in writing !
And would it matter if they did ?
The current 8 speed troubles have a written warranty yet GM says its just normal operation, live with it !!
In my opinion !!!!
Cadillac suffers from poor leadership and are building cars they think the public wants instead of cars of what Cadillac are supposed to be; this was proven when Cadillac refused to build any of their concept cars as this demonstrated that leadership was gutless..as one wonders if Ed Welburn might be the man for the job.
Coming soon to your airport rental agency!
Wow. Look at all these haters. Not one of them have even seen this car but already the hate.
Rental agency? Rental agencies have Mercedes E63 AMGs as rentals… what does it matter?
Go back to your sandbox and let the grownups talk.
You can rent an Escalade at the airport if you want. Depends what you’re willing to pay, and let’s be honest; Blue Potato is too cheap to rent a Cadillac. He definitely opts for a something like a base Fiesta with no AC.
You guys are hilarious !!
Actually, Uber…
Not a hater, just commenting on the marginalization of Cadillac Styling.
I’m sorry but I can’t drive a 4 cylinder. Especially in a Cadillac. I’ve owned caddilacs all my life and no matter the horsepower they just don’t drive the same. My next new caddy will be a slightly used caddy.
You can always get the CT5-V… or the XT5 with the 3.6L V6… or the CT6 with the 3.6L V6.
Alas, the days of naturally-aspirated sixes appear to be dwindling. Cadillac was one of the remaining holdouts in offering them… but they are being replaced with boosted fours and boosted sixes.
Alex,
I was led to believe that the CT5 would have a 3.0TT in the Y strategy.
Is this not the case.
Do you have to get the ” V ” to get a 3.0TT ?
Or will I be able to get a CT5 premium luxury with a 3.0TT so it doesn’t look like the ” V ” cars with all the ” V ” pizzazz !!!
Just want a classy Cadillac with more than GMs average zip !!
What do you know ?
You don’t need Alex to confirm what GM has already announced…this is all public knowledge.
CT5 Premium Lux / Sport 3.0TT: 335hp @ 5600 / 400 lb.-ft. @ 2400-4400
CT5-V 3.0TT: 355hp @ 5600 / 400 lb.-ft. @ 2400-4400
400 lb.-ft. = 542 Nm, so these should both carry 550T badges on the back – except one of them will have just a ‘V’ badge…
Yep
The CT5 twin turbo V might be the Cadillac to get. That thing looks sweet.
member12,
Where do I see one ?
The CT5 twin turbo V !!
I don’t like all the sporty ” V ” stuff of the past, louvers, bulges etc.
All I want from GM is an Audi competitive vehicle for the money, in my opinion, my judgement.
Something that looks refined, elegant, like the Escala !!!!!
And will keep up !!!!!, and I mean keep up !!!!!
Keep up in, performance, reliability and value !!!!
I would buy a CT6 right now, with the 3.0TT if my wife would drive it, but she thinks its to big. ( she drives an ATS )
So we still have our 2004 CTS, and I think the CT5 is close to that size, so that’s good.
I personally like the CT6 interior better than the CT5 interior but it will work.
Now all we need is the 3.0TT in one to test drive and we are one step closer.
And it will not only decide if we buy it, the test drive will decide if we ever own a Cadillac again, and we are going straight to an Audi no questions asked !!!
The last three GM vehicles have been enough, and GM customer support just pushed us to the brink.
Some here will be happy, not sure GM will be long term, us never buying another GM vehicle, but O well, they will either be OK or just file bankruptcy again, either way, GM still won’t be able to figure out why !!!
in my opinion.
This “boosted 4” makes 237 hp on premium where my 2017 ATS 3.6 makes 335 hp on regular…Where I live(Canada),Premium fuel is $.90 cents per gallon more or $12.00 more per fill up approx.,..Every Single Fill Up…That’s a lot.Canada is a small market?(I guess)..My friend currently owns a BMW and hates it every time he puts fuel in it(Premium) and was thinking of something like my ATS but not now . i’m hoping the upscale CT4 will have the 3.6 naturally aspirated on regular fuel.I remember the president of G.M stating at the time”The new V6 is the new V8’…
Caddy lost me when they stopped the cts-v coupe. There are still a few of us that want coupes. I also really miss my cts wagon. I never should have sold that. I got a lot of comments and questions. The wagon could have sold here but like coupes they didnt market them. So now that the EPA is basically had there nuts cut off and have no power all car companies are only gonna make suvs and trucks. You know because trump is good at science. There no climate issue. Not as long as there makung money. Sorry started to get a rant going.
Cimarron? Is that you??
So every small Benz they debut is “hi 190E” or new small Audi is “hi 80”, then cry when GM abandons the segment…
Has that ever happened Guestt ?
Have their been a lot of tears shed by potential Cadillac customers who yearn for a cheap low quality Cadillac ?
Now a small, high quality, sporty entry level Cadillac.
A step up from a Chevrolet !!!
I can see that vehicle working.
But a small, cheap, low powered, 2.0T GM, with a horrible reputation GM 8 speed transmission.
Sounds like just what Cadillac needs to regain its stature in the world !!!!
So after a TSB and an actual fix to the 8-speed it’s still not good enough for you for the base model?, A big-block is supposed to be the base engine on a compact car?. Buy the competition and get over it, I did..
No Guestt,
That not or ever has been what I am saying, and you should know that by now !!
If that is ” true ” then fine I am ok with the 8 speed as a base !!!!
And if the 2,0T was tuned higher than a Chevrolet, I would be ok with that !!!
But why does GM have to prove out this junk on the Cadillac line ?
I have been and always will be a proponent of parts bin usage by GM !!!
OK, I think it is necessary for cost !!
However GM has better parts, use them on the Cadillac !!
Even the base.
I don’t care if GM makes a ” V ” Cadillac super car, if it sells great !!
But that Cadillac supercar will not sustain Cadillac as a brand !!
All I am saying is ( I think ) Cadillac should be a step up from the Chevrolet, even the base !
If GM doesn’t want to tune the 2.0T higher do to lose of reliability, good, don’t !
But then use the 2.7T as the base ( not a big block ) and your showing you age with that big block comment !!!
What is the problem with the Base Cadillac using the 2.7T as base ?
It would increase quantities to lower the cost and that would benefit the truck line also !!
And I am OK with the use of the 8 speed junk, if its not junk, but now right out of the gate you have to convince the Cadillac customer, who is already gun shy, do to the past Cadillac quality and reliability, that the junk 8 speed is no longer junk !!
And I say, good luck with that !!!
Type in your computer GM 8 speed, see what you get !!!
Then ask yourself, I am going to spend $40,000 – $60,000 do I really need to get that potential junk !!
You might not car shop that way, but I am willing to bet the base Cadillac buyer does !!!!!!!
Anyway, watch and learn !!!
You will soon find out how well it works out for Cadillac, in the US anyway.
If you are talking China now, its a whole different ball game !!
Just on a positive note, at least to me,
GM and Cadillac are starting to get better !!!
The watered down V is a plus, I still think it should just be a Cadillac and it doesn’t need the V name, just a better standard Cadillac !!
The new truck interior news is a good thing, if true, took GM long enough to admit they screwed that one up, and some there still wont admit it !! But better late than never !!
The option offerings on the truck as far as engine and transmission combinations is a start, I still think all powertrain options should be available on all truck models.
So great, lets go !!!
In my opinion !!
So they uglied up the rear end, made the front end more boxy, lowered the power, and kept the defective 8 speed auto? Reuss and Carlise think this is the winning formula, a return to Cadillac’s roots?
With each new Cadillac it becomes more apparent why JDN left. I’ll bet he could tell some unbelievable stories about GM’s imbecilic management.
Hmmmm..The back is reminiscent of a 1980 Seville, and the front looks like a combination of a Chevy Trax and Cadillac Cimarron..terrible.
At least the front grill doesn’t resemble that of a hideous Lexus.