The 2020 Cadillac CT4 sedan has made its official debut, arriving with a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine and rear-wheel drive in base form.
General Motors describes the Cadillac CT4 as a vehicle that is “poised to appeal to a new generation of sport-luxury customers,” thanks to its “RWD proportions and an athletic design.” Like other vehicles in the Cadillac range, it will be offered in base-level Premium trim, along with upmarket Premium Luxury and Sport trims. The CT4-V performance model made it debut earlier this year and will eventually be joined by an even more performance-focused CT4-V Blackwing, as we reported previously.
The 2.0-liter base engine in the CT4 is from GM’s LSY four-cylinder line and makes 237 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque. GM’s 2.7-liter four-cylinder L3B engine is also available on Premium Luxury models (in addition to V-Series) and produces 325 horsepower and 380 pound-feet of torque. The 2.0-liter is paired with GM’s eight-speed automatic transmission, while the 2.7-liter is mated to a ten-speed. All-wheel drive is available on all models, while a drive mode select system with Tour, Sport, Snow/Ice and Track settings is standard. A customizable My Mode is also present in the drive select system, allowing users to pick their own settings for the transmission, suspension, steering, brake feel and, on all-wheel drive models, the front-rear power distribution.
Moving inside, an eight-inch touchscreen serves as the centerpiece of the cabin and is joined by a standard full-color digital driver’s display. Other standard interior features include keyless entry with push-button start, a leather wrapped steering wheel, dual-zone climate control, active noise cancellation, LED interior lighting and an HD rear vision camera. The CT4 also utilizes GM’s next-generation electric architecture as well, which enables over-the-air updates, better connectivity and superior security against cyber attacks.
Order books for the 2020 Cadillac CT4 will open later this year, GM says. It will be built at the automaker’s Lansing Grand River production facility in Michigan alongside the Cadillac CT5. Pricing and additional information will be announced closer to the start of regular production, so be sure to subscribe to GM Authority for more Cadillac CT4 news, Cadillac news and around-the-clock GM news coverage.
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Gorgeous car. I’d love to see a performance hybrid version with AWD though.
I really like these new pictures showing different angles and showing different exterior colors–it looks great in black. The CT4 looks way better than the CT5, in my opinion. The CT5’s short rear section makes the car’s proportions look odd.
It’s a sweet looking car. Looks much better in these “real world-ish” photos. The gunmetal one is beautiful.
I’d take this over the fwd A class anyday.
I am going to say it: The CT4 is a knockout.
The CT5 looks good….but the CT4 is the real looker. The interior looks great, the front end looks fantastic, and the proportions are fantastic.
This is what Volvo was going for but couldn’t do with their front drive limitations. Go Cadillac!
The 2.0 lost a bunch of power compared to the ATS
It’s also a segment below compared to what the ATS was.
The primary competition is the A-Class… specifically the A220, which makes 188 horsepower and 221 pound-feet of torque, and starts at $32,500. The CT4 has it beat, even with the base 2.0T and 8-speed auto.
That said, the powertrain specs are like 11th on the list when it comes to priorities of buyers in this segment.
Still seems like a step backwards, further away from what Cadillac should stand for.
Cut the “a segment below” crap – it’s a gen 2 ATS
…vs. the same A220 that is 8″ shorter and ~300 lbs. lighter (yet has a 15% larger trunk…lol)? …the CT4 needs the extra oomph! 😉 Despite the reduced power, the base CT4 should still be significantly quicker 0-60 than the 7.4 sec that the base ATS with the 202-hp 2.5L needed. For comparison, the A220 needs 7.0 sec.
May want to review the details listed above…I see that C&D has listed slightly detuned engine specs for the optional engine:
Base 2.0T……………………… 237-hp/258 lb-ft
Premium Lux/Sport 2.7T: 309-hp/348 lb-ft
CT4-V 2.7T……………………..325-hp/380 lb-ft.
So, the non-V cars still have a chance of hitting 60 mph in the low 5’s – we might be surprised with a 4.9-5.0?
I just dug into the CT4 order guide, and noticed some details for clarification:
CT4 Luxury:
standard – 2.0T w/8AT
CT4 Premium Luxury:
standard – 2.0T w/8AT
optional – 2.7T (309-hp/348 lb-ft) w/10AT [assuming other outlets have those engine specs correct]
CT4 Sport
standard – 2.0T w/8AT
CT4-V
standard – 2.7T (325-hp/380 lb-ft) w/10AT
…further demonstrating the the new ‘-V’ is really just the old ‘Premium Performance’ trim, now with AWD as an option. I hope that new fluid spec’d. for the 8AT works as advertised! If the take rate for the 2.7T is anything like it was for the V6 in the ATS, it looks like the good ol’ 8-spd. will still be the highest-volume transmission by a decent margin.
That take rate is do to GM shipping the base to the dealerships.
When we bought our ATS you could not test drive a 3.6 ATS, all you could do is order it !!
So the customer is not choosing the base engine and transmission !!
GM is forcing that vehicle to the dealership and by default it is the vehicle you walk out with unless you want to wait for an ordered one !!!
And in 2020 most US buyers do not want to wait.
So again GM is falsely led to believe more ” real people ” want the base Cadillac engine and transmission !!
In my opinion
There’s no corporate conspiracy going on. 😉
GM generally doesn’t force dealerships to take anything – dealerships will order the mix of models/trim levels that they believe they can sell. If GM had their way, they’d probably push the more profitable high-end trims on the dealers, if anything.
The ATS (initially, at least) had the V6 available across 3 trim levels. Shoppers looking at the lower-cost trims were less likely to be interested in the extra cost of a bigger engine with more power and less fuel economy, so dealers were unlikely to stock cheaper V6 cars. Higher-end shoppers were more likely to want the extra power and didn’t care about economy, but that demographic probably only made up 20% (or less) of potential sales. So if the dealer ordered 10 ATSs, maybe 3 had the V6; if it was a smaller dealer, maybe it was 1 in 5…or none at all.
The used market now reflects this. On AutoTrader in Canada, there are about 450 2013-18 ATS listings nationwide, less than 10% of which are V6 models. Almost 10 of those are within 600 miles of me on the West Coast.
I know there is no corporate conspiracy going on here, yep !!
But the rest you are saying here is just proving my point even more !
You just said out of 450 ATS vehicles for sale only 10% are the V6, if you take a survey of all ATS owners, and asked them what they think of their ATS, I would guess about 10% love them.
Look at the ATS surveys out there, is that about right ? GM had to quit making it, quit making the engine in it, etc. so —- at least 10% of the ATS owners with the 3.6 liked them.
GM dealerships do not know what the GM customer or even better the competitions customer wants.
And like I have said before, in todays world, a dealership is not a brand dealership.
The dealerships move people around to all the brands, from sales to techs, so what would lead anyone to know what a customer wants, especially a GM only one ?
So I agree with what you are saying, but, if Cadillac would only make the better as a base, then the new Cadillac customer would be in a better vehicle and impressed.
But even more than that, if GM as a whole, and Cadillac as we are commenting, ever really wants to know what the ” real people ” want, GM will and should go back to giving the options an equal representation !!!
Look at the trucks, from what I here the dealers cant get enough AT4 trucks !!!
Tell me why didn’t all the dealers just order AT4 trucks ?
If the dealers knew what the customer wanted ?
And how about the truck engine transmission options !!!!
You can get a pretty cheap new Silverado with a 5.3 and a 8 speed. They are all over the place, so why did the dealers order so many of those if people don’t want them ?
And do you know haw many people want the 6.2 – 10 speed in the cheaper trim truck ?
Nobody knows because GM does not offer it !!
And I am telling you a lot !!
And I want to know what the real world MPG difference and GMs cost to produce are between the 2.0T – 8 speed, and the 2.7T – 10 speed ?
If GM just shifted this cost to the customer and did not market base, or what they think is market based price this, the customer would choose it.
If GM would get off the 8 speed junk already and get to building just the 10, and replaced the 2.0T in all Cadillacs with the 2.7T, in a short time the 2.7T cost would be less than the 2.0T all around and the 10 speed cost would come down.
So even if GM can’t make enough of the 10 speeds yet to keep up, why do they want the 8 speed in the lowest ranking quality and reliability, and customer satisfaction line of GM which is supposed to be the top luxury vehicle at GM, don’t they have enough Chevys to put this junk in, do they just have to keep pounding the nails in the coffin of Cadillac !!!
All of the people here that think this 2.0T 8 speed in any Cadillac could be right, it might work this time.
But this cheap entry level junk Cadillac has not worked yet and GM just keeps doing exactly the same thing, over and over expecting a different outcome.
And we will never buy another one again, so that’s one less sale, not one more sale, and I must have told 5,000 people at least to never buy a Cadillac cheap base vehicle no matter what Cadillac says, when people ask me about our Cadillac ATS I tell them they are junk and I would never buy another !
Like I say , good luck, and its just my opinion !
I suspect that more than 10% of ATS owners are very happy with their car, regardless of the engine they have. It is possible that V6 owners are happier overall, however a lot of the frustrations people have are not engine-related.
The fact that the 2.0T engine was the most common (it wasn’t the ‘base’ engine until 2017) wasn’t really a contributing factor to poor sales. A larger standard engine would have been interesting to some, but it wouldn’t address some other fundamental complaints people had with electronics, user interface, interior space, and value/pricing.
I think that virtually all manufacturers use hp/engine availability as part of their strategy to justify higher trim levels and price points. Sure, GM could offer the 6.2/10AT combo in a regular cab work truck, and would sell a few, but at what cost to the profitability of the rest of the production line? What about the hit that GM’s CAFE number would take? There are hugely complex supply chain, regulatory, and cost issues that keep manufacturers from building every possible combination of options. The aftermarket exists for those who want their own custom job.
Agreed !
I agree with you never buy a base anything let alone a premium name plate. I love my 2016 ATS-V coupe. If you want a premium name plate Audi BMW Merc forget it it’s a price point car. You don’t get any thing that makes a difference. BMW 3 base it trash too but it’s a BMW the sacred cow
Still they could have seriously out powered the competition and earned conquests. They need to give MORE not the same or less… wish the 3.6 was still available (but more refined)
That clears that up. Can you say what the Top Tier power plant will be? 3.6 TT? 500 HP?
I’m convinced that they truncated the rear bumper to shave a few inches off the overall length so that they can credibly target smaller cars like the A Class.
Truncated…from what? The CT4 is 4″ LONGER than the ATS…lol.
The only thing credibly targeting the smaller class of car is the price tag, and maybe feature content. 😉
When will we see some reviews of this car? Looks awesome.
Is Cadillac going to market this properly?
Nobody will buy the 2.0 with 8 speed, since the transmission is defective and non saleable. Everyone will go with the 10 speed.
I use to not care so much for active safety but after testing it in lower cost cars that have it as standard, it makes me a little upset that I don’t see a lot of it as standard equipment. Sure some luxury automakers don’t, and some consumers don’t want it. But considering I can buy a Toyota Camry or a Mazda3 with it standard gets under my skin. Just be competitive, it’s not only driving dynamics you should focus on.
Four Banger no thank you. A car that size a four? No thank you.
It’s not a big car, but last years ATS 2.0 made 15% more power and was plenty. Maybe it will run on regular gas though. That would make sense for the power decrease.
The CT4-V was reported to have 320 hp and 369 ft-lbs with the 2.7T. This article says it will have 325 hp and 380 ft-lbs. I wonder if that’s with regular gas like the truck version.
No Coupe – No Care – No Sale
The new 2.0 with lower power numbers might still be the same performance as the previous 2.0, at
lower speeds, like 0-30, 0-60, because that max torque comes on at 1500 rpm, instead of 2500.
At higher speed performance, then the bigger engines will be needed.
It’s possible that the bugs are out of the 8 speed, but I would feel more confident in the 10 speed.
It will be interesting to find out the prices of the 2.7 and the V version.
How is this NOT just a second-gen ATS??? Cut the whole “brand new car” BS Cadillac – from every angle this looks exactly like and proportional to an ATS.
What’s really going on here is when the ATS came out, everyone complained it was too small compared to the 3-Series/C-Class/A4… soooo you just “created” a “brand new car” [that’s really the same exact car albeit updated] but this time decided you’re going to market against the 2-Series/A-Class/A3 and then say “It’s sooooo much bigger and better than the 2-Series/A-Class/A3”
Know what two of those three aforementioned brands offer in the US? A Coupe version of their small car [a long with coupe versions of their large cars]. Yet, you seem to not care about personal luxury any more, just making really nice rental cars, and have to gall to tell your loyal customers that “there is no market for a Coupe” to their faces. Sure, okay. Stop making excuse and make a [goshdarned] proper Cadillac.
“Yet, you seem to not care about personal luxury any more”
Nobody has cared about the personal luxury segment since 1979, which is when the entire segment died on its ass from public indifference.
What remains are full-size coupes; the S and the 8, of which Cadillac’s ‘loyal customers’ from the 1970’s are too cheap and too senile to even step up to, insisting Cadillac lower it’s standards just for them so they can live out a memory from 40 years ago.
Why is it that Cadillac has to be forced backwards into recreating a memory of the past to satisfy a handful of greyhaired cheapskate minority consumers, while other luxury automakers are allowed to make their own future happen with cutting edge products that interest wealthy younger buyers?
A little confused by your comment that seems to be conflicting with itself. “Nobody has cared about the personal luxury segment since 1979” – Oh, okay, so explain the 2- 4- 6- & 8-Series, A- C- E- & S- Coupes? Or the fact that the second-tier lux brands of Lexus and Infinity [whom Cadillac is really competing against] both have coupes.
“…of which Cadillac’s ‘loyal customers’ from the 1970’s are too cheap and too senile to even step up to” – For the record, I was a solid decade-or-more away from even being born in the 70’s, let alone a customer, so I certainly hope you’re not lumping me into the “handful of greyhaired cheapskate minority consumers”, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I have no problem giving Cadillac a large portion of my salary… but I want a car I’m proud to own in return.
If it’s too much to ask to have a American lux/sports coupe as an alternative to zee Germans, that are making “their own future happen with cutting edge products”, then this “wealthy young buyer” who doesn’t want a glorified Camaro will have to take his money elsewhere…
“Oh, okay, so explain the 2- 4- 6- & 8-Series, A- C- E- & S- Coupes? ”
Not a single one of those are personal luxury coupes. Not a single one.
My point stands. The segment is stone dead, as all personal luxury coupes were coupes, but not all coupes are personal luxury coupes.
Your mistake is in thinking that any and all coupes from luxury brands automatically make it a personal luxury coupe, and I defy you to put 4-series or the E-class coupe (or even the outgoing ATS coupe) in the same segment as the ancient personal luxury coupe using criteria from over 40 years ago as qualifiers.
Okay, Gramps, then please do educate me: What *IS* a “personal luxury coupe”???
I can do one better. Defining something by what it isn’t; via-negativa.
A personal luxury coupe ISN’T represented in any luxury coupe offering on sale today. They are indeed luxury coupes, but none of them are personal luxury coupes.
Also, your questions should be “What *WAS* a “personal luxury coupe”???”
I hope the configurator launches soon. I’m dying to spec out my future CT4-V!
It’s slow and grossly underpowered in today’s world. And it looks boring. Might attract some Honda Accord buyers.
there’s not a chance in hell of this attracting Honda Accord buyers… if you buy an Accord Touring vs. this thing you’re going to end up getting a *much* better deal – there, I said it
the only compelling item listed imho is the introduction of the L3B/10AT combo into the lineup… where I would LIKE to see this offered is in the Colorado/Canyon if anyone at GM is paying attention enough to care… that would get my money
No one at GM is ever paying attention, That’s why their share of the US market, which was near 60 percent 40 years ago when the great slide began, is now down to 17 percent. I recall some years ago when all the GM execs pranced around with “29” lapel pins, which was to serve as a reminder of the corporate goal of getting market share up to 29 percent. Other than walking around wearing those silly pins, I never heard that they did anything to actually achieve that goal.
I think it’s foolish to think anyone from GM is sitting around reading the comments here and taking notes. Although I often write as if I am speaking directly to GM’s leadership, I’m pretty sure they’re not listening and think they’re smarter than me and all the rest of us and maybe so. After all they’ve invented their own language. If you’ve ever heard one GM exec speak, you’ve pretty much heard them all. They speak with a curious mix of co-opted words and phraseology that always sounds like they’re doing great things when in reality they seldom are. For example in GM speak “closing plants” is “realigning capacity”. And what is it they call their overhead valve engines? Cam in block? GM parlance co-opts the word ‘architecture’ to mean an automobile platform. That’s not what Webster says.
It seems to me that the folks at GM are aboard the slowest sinking ship in history. It was once a mighty vessel so it’s taking a while for it to go under. There are plenty of us with clear eyes and the perspective one could only have from afar, from the shore. We are yelling, telling them what to do, warning them, chastising them, imploring then to wake up. Unfortunately they only talk to each other aboard the merry ship and listen to their own babble and PR spin. Meanwhile the water is getting ever closer.
As a footnote, please don’t confuse anything I say as contempt for the company. Quite the contrary, I speak because I care. Before I could walk, I had a passion for cars and the only brand I cared about as a car obsessed little boy was GM. I feel as if they are in my DNA. I speak because I care. I fervently want the ship to be righted, not to go down.
I agree with you. It’s hard to be a fan of GM Powertrain (which, imho, is a wonder of the world and a national treasure) only to watch the products their work goes into get creamed in the market… the whole has to be better than the sum of the parts and GM bean counters will never understand that
So glad to here the 2.7T and 10 speed in a non V form !!!
That works !
Because we would not again ever buy a Cadillac with a 2.0T no matter how small the vehicle.
I hope they offer the 2.7T 10 speed in the CT5 also but I think it is the 3.0TT 10 speed correct ?
As I think the 2.7T 10 speed would be easier on gas and have more reliability than the 3.0TT, but we will see.
Thanks GM for the 2.7T and 10 speed offer in the non V form ?
I sure hope GM doesn’t flood the dealers with the base cheap GM average blah 2.0T with the questionable 8 speed, and ruin this cars reputation before the ” real people ” or customer can compare both the 2.0T 8 speed with the 2.7T 10 speed, and chose for themselves.
And this from Jalopnik
“We Regret To Inform You That The Cadillac CT4-V Has Just 24 More HP Than A Toyota Camry”
It’s a shame they did this (Cadillac).
Not sure about the thumbs down for comments that just state facts.
Or all the Boomers here who saw you be slightly critical of the brand they drive because [insert 20min rant].
Or all the Boomers here who don’t know how to uses The Internets and accidentally clicked on something without realizing it.
I currently own an ATS-V. I just think Cadillac has an issue with lack of direction and total lack of communication to the public.
If they had brains ? they would have worked on the ATS-V refining it I have a 2016 I love it has been a great fun car
I gave you a thumbs down cause that Jalopnik article and reasoning is just a bad take. I mean what’s wrong with a turbo 4 that has slightly more power than an NA v6. Yes if V was still the top tier performance model and only had that much more power then it would mean something but its NOT. Also, she ignores the fact that the amg 35 only has one more hp than a Camry and s3 has 13 hp LESS. This car actually outperforms its competitors in power and torque.
Thought the same when I saw the article. They also doubled down today with another. On my ignore list for now.
No matter what a few of the negative nannies above are saying, this car looks to be a great car. Great styling. Good numbers on the engine (not every darn car has to be a V-series or super fast. Many of us don’t care about that). Good optional engines. Nice size for those looking for a smaller Cadillac. Just overall a great looking car with huge potential. Let’s just hope the price doesn’t go too high.
Dan, I think I am on the same page as you here except one thing.
So I would like your view.
I to think ( not every darn car has to be a V-series or super fast ) and I to don’t care about that.
But here is what I want your view on, I wont buy another Cadillac with a 2.0T ever, OK.
The reason I will never buy one is our current one in a ATS.
When I looked at the specs before purchasing, this 2.0T was to have equal or more torque and HP than ( at the time, and still have ) 2004 CTS with the 3.6.
OK we test drove one, as you should, we liked the ATS and still do, its a great car !!!
But after driving day in and day out, like the 04 CTS, it just could not keep up in traffic.
Its fine on the open road at cruising speed, but in and out of traffic at commute speed, you might say, this is a horrible Cadillac, for its size, and I would rather drive the 04 CTS in those circumstances day in and day out.
This ATS as a Cadillac is a mechanical heap of junk, remember we still love this vehicles looks in and out !
So when all this new vehicle shopping talk came about, because this car is just, well you know by now what I think, I test drove another brand other than GM. Its probably been 29 years since I have test driven anything other than a GM vehicle and have driven five Cadillacs in that time.
Well we drove a 2019 Audi A4, with a 2.0T and AWD, just like our ATS, granted our ATS is a 2014 so older.
WOW, are you kidding me, was my first impression !! and remember that was a 2.0T and our ATS is a 2.0T.
So than I think, well this thing has to be at least $5,000 more than a new ATS and I bet the 2019 ATS will be this great, so we go drive, —— a higher priced —– 2019 ATS AWD and
WOW are you kidding me that Audi drove like silk compared to the same year —– higher priced —– Cadillac.
So when I see GM/Cadillac come out with a ” new ” improved 2.0T, and now with a 9 speed, I think, well that will probably drive like that A4.
So I go drive a 2.0T 9 speed AWD XT4 and WOW are you kidding me, HOW can that A4 be that mush better, I have to be missing something, so I go back and drive the A4, NOPE not missing anything, still drives like silk.
So that was a long story but if I am a negative nanny above, that is why, and I am a Cadillac guy.
I guess I just shouldn’t have driven an Audi. But my cousin has driven them for a wile so I gave it a try.
So the Audi guy keeps calling, and I keep telling him, we aren’t doing anything until the new CT5 is out.
He says, do you really think GM has changed its business practices on Cadillac, and I said well after five Cadillacs and all GM everything else, I will give it a try.
So when this CT4 was announced with the same 2.0T as the XT4, and we drove that, and the even less desirable 8 speed form GM.
I am skeptical !!!! Hopeful, optimistic, yet skeptical !!!!
But if this is as good as the Audi or I hope the CT5 is as good as the Audi, we will still be Cadillac owners !
And I wish the CT5 would just offer this 2.7T with the 10 speed also, because in my opinion, that combination is the ticket !!!!!!
And I’m glad to see the engine options in these sedans, because the average GM blah Cadillac SUV lineup, to me, is just underwhelming for a Cadillac, and we wont be buying another one of those either, until a platform upgrade takes place.
But we will see, because up to this point, the new Cadillacs are still a let down to me, except these two sedans with the one step up engine and one step up transmission, well the 10 speed.
You go Cadillac !!!!
Well, I’m not totally sure after reading your post what opinion you may be asking for. As for Audi, I’m just not a fan at all. My nephew was a tech for Audi/VW and then at a shop that worked on only German brands. I’ve seen first hand and listened to him on so much that I just can’t get on board with VW group cars. Being in a dealership now that sells Mazda/Volvo, we see a fair amount of Audi and VW’s. People seem to be dumping them a lot (small sample base however). Again, I just don’t care for them and have zero interest in them.
My experience with Cadillac is much different from yours. I have not owned that many but have sold a lot. I have not seen the Cadillac’s to be a heap of junk. But I appreciate your views there. But overall, I look at the overall HP/Torque numbers in conjunction with the car (size, weight, etc). For example, I find the base 1.4L turbo in my Buick Encore to be very adequate and I’ve yet felt the need for more power. Would it be nice? Yes. But needed? No. Another example: In the Volvo’s, they all have the same 2.0L Turbo 4, but with different ratings. You can get the T4 in some cars and I feel it’s great. But it would not work in the XC90 or S90 or V90. They are just too big/heavy. But in the XC40 it’s perfect. I see zero need to have a T5 or T6 in the XC40. Yet I would not personally buy any Volvo with the T6 because it’s way too much being pushed through that 4 cyl. Doing Turbo and supercharged is just way too much and it’s showing in the engine failures I see. Volvo seriously needs a V6 of smaller displacement for the larger vehicles. So what I’m saying is that too many people emphasize POWER over reliable modes of transportation.
Hope that helps.
It did give me your view, and I respect your view, for your needs.
As for me I think the same as you, as far as the power thing.
But here is where I differ.
Is GM like Volvo to you or is Cadillac like Volvo to you ?
You see I think that’s where I get the slack a lot.
When I see Volvo, its Volvo. When I see GM its like Volvo, and Cadillac is like the T6 in Volvo !
So I see every Cadillac as like a XC90 and now GM wants to put a T4 in it and to me it needs more, like you think, when you say, but the t4 would not work in the XC90 or S90, or V90. they are just to big and heavy.
Again I do not need or want a ” super car v- series ” and for the people that do great.
I just feel that with another Cadillac rebirth why not just more than the competition. Cadillac as far as reputation is not good today, GM might think its still equal to the competition, but they are clearly not.
So start out for a few years offering better than the competition.
Nope not GM, we are just as good as they are we will try again one more time to prove it !
Thanks though
Good looking car hampered by an inspiring interior and Chevy engines … Just like every other Cadillac, sigh.
Anyone else noticed that the “V” have the joystick shifter and the scroll wheel for the infotainment system, but the regular cars have the mechanical shifter & no scroll wheel? Couldn’t they unify the look for both transmissions? & How come the 8spd is still on offer? Facepalm.
“A bold color-and-trim palette featuring 11 exterior color options along with eight distinct interior color, material and trim options”.
This is great news, unfortunately the beancounters will narrow it down to 5 exterior colors & 2-3 interior colors by the second year of production.
*uninspiring
Long live the base ATS!
I like this Cadillac a lot, more than CT5
another site is reporting super cruise will be available for the ct4.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1125032_2020-cadillac-ct4-specs-details
The “V” car they showed a few months ago had it.
Nothing about this car says, we know we are in trouble and we are absolutely determined to impress, wow, and win over new buyers. Cadillac is really a challenger brand now. The established and respected players are BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Lexus, Jaguar, and others. Those brands are affirming choices. Any potential buyer knows they are safe choices and fellow consumers respect those brands and will respect one’s choice to buy any of their products.
Cadillac isn’t respected in the same way and in order to win in the marketplace they must over deliver and shatter perceptions. It isn’t good enough to match anybody. They must exceed the norm. They have to make consumers fall in love with their products so that they are willing to part with their money for a choice that isn’t safe or widely accepted but that they are simply smitten with. That takes stunning design and an overall package that is clearly superior. To win, a Cadillac needs to become the wallpaper on a million computer screens; it needs design that people can’t stop looking at.
Given all the lofty talk from Mr. de Nysschen leading up to these products, the CT4 and CT5, I expected brilliance. That’s not what I see. Not even close. The “first ever” CT4 looks an awful lot like the “first ever” ATS that launched six years ago. It just really isn’t very different looking. The interior is better but it too looks familiar rather than new. I’m sorry to say all that and I’m sure the legions of Cadillac defenders will downvote me for it but this is not nearly the kind of bold, assertive product they need. They need a product that will have people saying “Have you seen that new Cadillac?…..I’ve never thought of myself as a Cadillac person but I realllllly want one of those”. Instead I think people will say “What’s the difference between that and what they had? They just changed the name?”.
Cadillac has proven they know how to do this. They can deliver a concept car like the Sixteen, the Ciel, or the Elmiraj which are unabashedly Cadillacs in the classic sense but also entirely new and stunningly beautiful. But for the products we can actually buy, the best they can do is AT4 and XT6? Why?
“Jaguar”
Hahaha no one considers them an established player.
They are still feeling the pain of being under Ford.
Amen.
Everything Jaguar has produced after the E-type has been a desperate attempt at “Identity Through Association” to their former glory days.
Still looking for that premium cloth interior from the concept a couple years ago.
A luxury car whit a lawnmower engine wow ,,
Literally every luxury manufacturer offers a 4 cyl in this segment. Even the segment above. Get your head out of your a** every once in a while, and you might notice.
The Silverado seems to be holding up well with it’s 4 Cylinder Powertrain option even if the Fuel Economy is a near match to the old 5.3 Liter, but the technical aspect overall seems to work in it’s favor for the most part.
Why did GM decide to use a Full Size Pickup Truck engine as the Premium engine for a so called Corporate Luxury Brand?
Why not just bump up the 2.0T like all the other German Auto Makers do?
Mercedes gets almost 400 HP from their Tuned 2.0T. I think BMW is at 350HP.
Do GM’s engineers not have the capability to do so? I seriously doubt that is the case. Is it because the Beancounters refuse to allow the spending on Cadillac that a Luxury Brand needs?
The 2.7 in a Cadillac (in my humble opinion) makes absolutely zero sense. None at all.
If you’re Audi, Mercedes, and BMW you have to be laughing at this correct? A Pickup engine in a small Luxury Sport Sedan?
Also, how is that a Mercedes A Class has almost the same if not more Trunk Space than the Bigger Cadillac CT5?
Did GM seriously just give up on Cadillac and are just throwing vehicles together from the Parts Bins?
Cadillac strategy is just confusing me. It’s a shame as I like Cadillac a lot and thought GM was going to go All In and bring them back to Tier One but it definitely did not.
Hopefully the Escalade will be Pure Fire.
Car engine this truck engine that, they are all GM engines period.
All I want is one that will be easy on fuel but will move the Cadillac vehicle I buy better than the averages GM blah vehicle.
I don’t care what GM made the engine for originally, they are all old ICE engines with turbos.
And in my opinion, right now, GM has the best most reliable engines in 2019 they have ever made, ever !!!
And in my opinion, right now, the 10 speeds are the smoothest GM transmission I have driven with in 13 years !!!!!
I respect your opinion but we are GM fans and we tend to overlook things like a “Truck Engine” in a so called Luxury Brand Sedan. Guess what though, the General Public does not.
Once word spreads throughout all the Media outlets and people talking around the Water Cooler that a Cadillac uses a “Truck Engine” people will just move on. Lets not even start on the Trunk Size Lol
So yeah I will stick to my Guns and say this is a ridiculous Beanounters decision yet once again by GM. They have an all new 2.0T but they won’t allow their engineers to fully develop it. It is insane to say the least.
Hopefully I am wrong and GM is correct about this. Would love to see how many if any conquest sales Cadillac will have on the CT4.
Based on the reviews of trucks with the 2.7T, the engine may be a ‘bright spot’ and produce some impressive 0-60 times. If it could move a >4900 lbs. truck to 60 mph in 7.0 seconds with an 8-spd. for C&D, it should do really well with about >25% less weight and the 10-spd. Motortrend’s review praises the throttle response, lack of turbo lag, and ample torque. Predicted complaints in the CT4: the 5700 rpm redline, and exhaust note (because GM seems to have trouble making anything smaller than a V6 sound good).
The real problem is that GM didn’t have enough foresight to promote this engine for the truck without assigning it a ‘truck engine’ designation. They worked so hard to overcome the stigma of ‘4-banger won’t work in a truck’ thinking that, as part of their official press release, they said, “The new 2.7L Turbo engine represents a clean-sheet design for Chevrolet and was developed from the outset as a truck engine.” When they said that in May 2018, they knew darned well that the engine would also end up as the upgrade engine in the *Cadillac* CT4. They could have just described how the engine was designed to provide great low-end torque and pulling power with great fuel economy, and stopped at that, but no… Despite the ‘truck engine’ design, this is probably forgotten and not considered by most truck shoppers.
The saving grace may be that most Cadillac shoppers have no idea what engines are available in trucks, but it’s sad that GM’s marketing/PR departments feel comfortable with assuming and relying on peoples’ ignorance for successful messaging. In the meantime, a lot of GM supporters feel a bit insulted, which is a shame because the product deserves better.
@Eric Nast
Exactly my point. GM was hellbent to let All the Media outlets and pretty much anyone that would listen that this 2.7T 4 Cylinder engine was designed specifically for Truck Duty and that it would hold up.
Under what circumstance (besides Beancounters running the show) does that engine have any reason at all to be in a Cadillac Sedan?
Not just any Cadillac Sedan, but the so called Small, Sporty, and Nimble Sedan for the Brand.
This is utterly ridiculous and I am floored anyone is even trying to defend what GM has done to the once glorious Cadillac Brand the last 20 years. It is shameful. This decision is shameful.
Let the engineers free to develop a high performance 2.0T specifically for the Brand.
Their only hope now is their upcoming EV’s better be better than Teslas or Cadillac is done as we know it.
Everyone can make excuses for GM but I am over it. I call it as I see it. The CT4 is a decent looking Sedan with a decent enough interior. If we are all honest, it is Basically an MCE of the ATS.
The trunk is tiny and we all here know about how great the 8 Speed Auto is. Why GM decided to stick with it is anyone’s guess but I think deep down inside we all know why.
For me personally, I was so excited when they hired Johan and then they wouldn’t let him do what he does best.
The XT4 is decent but nowhere near the competition
The XT5 MCE is a complete joke when it comes to a refresh (loot at Q7 for reference)
The XT6….where to even start. All I will say is Cadillac let Lincoln outshine them. Enough said
CT5 is a good looking car with an interior that would look nice in an Acura. Great Powertrains at least.
CT4 is a decent looking Sedan but extremely tight in the rear seat area with an even smaller trunk. The Base 2.0T is almost up to par with the competition but I feel the Pickup Truck Performance engine upgrade was a complete swing and miss by the General.
Our hopes now rely on the upcoming Slade and the promised EV. We shall see.
Something that was “…developed from the outset as a truck engine” does seem a little out of place in a car that is supposed to carry “…the [Cadillac] brand’s racing DNA for a dynamic, responsive and exhilarating driving experience.” At least they’re only putting the new 10-spd. behind this engine, and with an engine that redlines at 5700, they’ll need all the optimal gearing they can get!
In some ways, having the torque characteristics of a large, ‘stroker’ 4-cyl. in a car is an intriguing proposition. Unfortunately the ‘truck’ affiliation diminishes any notion of unique, exotic, or exclusive – all attributes that the Cadillac brand could use more of!
no one was laughing when they put a pickup engine and 6L80E in a sedan, in fact it reviewed quite well and is still popular to this day… that would be the Pontiac G8 GT
I think the dark color photo is not black, but one of the almost black colors, like Noir.
CT4 is really the next gen of ATS, regardless of what is said by Cadillac or the car critics.
Anyone who owns an ATS knows that. The base/Luxury may compete with those smaller cars on base price.
Car forum members are more particular/critical than the average car buyer. Dealers will stock more of the 2.0
because it keeps the cost down, so more can afford it.
Someone posted the prices for the CT5. When adding options to a CT5 Prem Lux to equal the CTS Luxury, the
CT5 is about $5,000 less. So the value appears to be better, comparing base to base or premium to premium.
This should carry over to the CT4, but maybe not as much difference.
Most people outside or forums won’t know the 2.7 engine is also in a truck.
It’s nice to want the features of the V’s, but you have to be able to pay for that stuff.
Since a de-tuned version of the 3.0TT from the CT5-V is available in either the CT5 premium luxury or sport, it is a bit surprising that the de=tuned 2.7 from the CT4-V is only available with the CT4’s premium luxury trim. It seems a bit odd for the luxury version to offer a more powerful engine and more sophisticated transmission than the sport version. I understand that a CT4 sport with the 2.7 and 10-speed would be very close in content to the CT4-V, but the same can be said of the CT5 sport with the 3.0TT and the CT5-V.
If it takes this long to figure out what car will have what, it changes every time I read this blog. These cars aren’t even out yet. We just have to wait and see what will be offered. What will the top tier C4 V offer? Anyone anyone?
I really want to like this car, but feel like it’s not up to par with competition.
Not as powerful as a Camry (barely in the CT4-V), not as high tech as a golf, looks are subjective.
I just don’t see the appeal. I really wanted to like this car as it could be a contender for the replacement for my current car, but there’s nothing about it that sets itself apart from anything else. Maybe supercruse in 2020, but 90% of the time I’d be in control of the car and it just doesn’t attract me.
Give me a bit more power, give me a digital dash, give me more cameras/tech. This is a great car if it was released in 2016. Part of me wonders if GM benchmarked this car back then while it was under development but then just forgot to keep up with the rest of the industry in the last couple years.
Its disappointing because I’m sure Cadillac can pull it off, they just failed to in this case.
The white sport model looks nice and those not thinking the 4 cylinder is not powerfull enough haven’t driven GM Turbo 2.0 engines. They can get up and go without issue. I have 2019 Terrain Denali with the 2.0t. And I tow with it. No problem getting up moving. it also faster than most other CUV’s in its class.
Some of us have driven GM 2.0T engines.
ATS – Cadillac
XT4 – Cadillac
I never did say the 2.0T wasn’t good enough for a Chevrolet or a GMC, or a Buick !!
I just keep saying that the GM 2.0T engine is just not good enough for a Cadillac !!
No matter how small the vehicle !!
Its a Cadillac, and Cadillac used to mean the best longest lasting most reliable GM product offered !!
And when you paid more for a Cadillac than the other GM average blah vehicle it was still worth it !!
Again, why was it worth it ?
Because it was the best longest lasting most reliable GM product offered !!
But if the GMC Terrain with the 2.0T is great, and it is great, I mite as well just buy a GMC terrain, why would I pay more for a Cadillac ?
So that is all I am saying, Cadillac needs to offer more, and only more !!!
So when every person buying a Cadillac, whether it is a base or a ” V ” says ” WOW ” this thing is ” GREAT ”
Not so when you buy a Cadillac you say , well this thing is like driving a GMC Terrain !!!
In my opinion !!
The 2.0T in the XT4 is very nice. It’s legitimately smooth – and I couldn’t honestly say that about the older 2.0L turbo from a few years ago.
So member12,
When you drive the XT4, that you payed more money for than the GMC Terrain, you would honestly say,
This Cadillac XT4 with the 2.0T is worth more than the Terrain 2.0T ?
And if your answer is yes. Why, Why is it worth more ?
Because to me its the ” same ” average GM blah, only a different look, so it can’t be the looks that make it worth more than a Cadillac because some like the Terrain look better.
Because I can also honestly say the same.
I drove an XT4 and I can honestly say it is legitimately smooth, it is.
It is so, so, so, much smoother than our 2014 ATS AWD, OK its smoother !!
But it should be smooth, its a Cadillac ! Did GM legitimately make the ones we drive not smooth so when they made the XT4 smooth, people would say, wow that drives smooth !
They used to drive smooth, the competition drives smooth, driving smooth is nothing great when your talking luxury.
So what to you makes the XT4 2.0T worth more than the Terrain Denali 2.0T ?
And why would this CT4 2.0T be worth anything more than the Camry, or Accord ?
Because to most of the average US customers, TODAY, they are never going to choose a Cadillac of equal price and nothing more to offer, over the top two most reliable, highest quality vehicles for years and years, with impeccable customer support.
For a Cadillac with one of the lowest reliability, one of the lowest quality, and the absolute worst in the US, customer support ?
Its just my opinion Cadillac needs to offer more, offer more to get their foot in the door.
I know all the GM lovers here think Cadillac means something to the average US buyer.
And I can tell you Cadillac does mean something to the average US buyer.
TODAY, in this world, in the US, Cadillac means an over priced Chevrolet.
Offer more !!!
In my opinion!!
Can’t wait for someone to do a head-to-head with a 2020 Cadillac CT4 against a 2018 Cadillac ATS and learn how much improvement there is with the car it was designed to replaced.
As I commented in response to a prior article, there is a lot to like about the ATS — good looking and great to drive; available coupe; the premium luxury interior is very nice, especially with Kona Brown or Morello Red leather; 3.6 NA V6 with 335HP using regular gas; not to mention a terrific V version. But the CT4 seems poised to offer several significant improvements:
– The second gen Alpha platform should address the prior system’s harshness over bumps while maintaining the already excellent driving dynamics.
– The refined 8-speed is likely to be much better, and the available 10-speed with the 2.7 should be a winning combination.
– The new infotainment system promises to be vastly better than CUE.
– The interior appears to be greatly upgraded; particularly when compared to the base ATS.
– The availability of more advanced driver safety features.
– Super cruise.
I think that pricing and value for the money will be key for this car. The CT5 pricing that has been released thus far offers some insight, but it has not yet included the upgraded engine or what it will cost to add the driver safety features or the other items that can be bundled into the platinum package.
Over Priced compact car. Cadillac are producing cars that are not worthy of being a Cadillac. Until Cadillac does something bold and outstanding they will continue to fail in the long term. I could go down the entire line and tell them what they keep getting wrong.
Or they could take a lesson from sister division Buick. The Enclave is far better then any of the Cadillac crossovers. The left over sedans at Cadillac lack the flash of the prototype cars The CT6 is irrelevant since it is being cancelled. The CT4 & CT5lack the flash needed to get the younger buyers and are to small for the older buyers. And the Escalade needs so much remodeling of its chassis to even play with the Lincoln Navigator. They need an independent rear suspension and lowered load floor. They flash of the exterior needs to be more old school Cadillac. Since they lack a halo car they need to make the Escalade into the halo car it could be. With the end of the XTS/DTS they need the Escalade to take over the Limousine, Livery, and Hearse market. The Cadillac branded cars are also not going to play well in the rental market.
The XT4 and Xt5 will do far better in the rental market. Cadillac should have just killed off these Sedans it is a waste of money and assests. Basically, Cadillac has lost its way and is in a slow downward spiral that they may never recover from.
This CTS owner won’t buy another Cadillac. Cadillac has a problem with the seals on their HID headlamp assemblies and has known about it for a long time. I complained about condensation in my headlights multiple times. The dealer responded it would dry out with use. Now my 41,000 mile vehicle is 11 months out of warranty and the chrome housing is discolored and Cadillac responds sorry buy your warranty has ended. Despite a class action suit in CA and FL Cadillac says the $1500 replacement is my problem. I bought my CTS with a Cadillac Certified warranty and made zero claims during that period. If the dealer had told me the seal was a problem it would have been replaced under warranty TWO YEARS AGO. What’s upsetting my dealer said Cadillac has been aware of HID headlight seal problems for years and my less than competent dealer should have replaced the light under warranty 2+ years ago. Bad service and a known bad lighting problem
Then buy an ancient, hideous Lexus IS or the lame, undersized Mercedes A Class.
The CT4 owners will see you in traffic while they use Supercruise and enjoy a comfortable interior…..knowing they made the right choice.
Member12,
You might be correct, the CT4 owners might see Tom in his Lexus in traffic,
But remember if its like a lot of the current Cadillacs on the road, maybe not if Cadillac didn’t improve their headlights, and maybe the CT4 owners won’t see Tom in traffic if the 8 speed in the CT4 is at the dealer getting on of the hundred TSB’s done .
You know I sure hope GM/Cadillac has made a fantastic car here !
I hope its the greatest Cadillac I have ever heard of, just the best, all the people around the US just can’t help but love them all , all the new ones.
But the reason all the people in the US think the ones they drive are $hit, is because a lot of them are $hit !!!!!
And unless something is going to change at GM, even if the Cadillacs released TODAY, are better in any way than the competition, it has been the case that the competition just makes theirs that much better over night and then GM waits 7 years to fix theirs !
So how come its different, what has changed ?
That back looks hideous.
No wonder this won’t sell in Europe!
Sorry but I’m not getting how this revised ATS is supposed to be better in the marketplace versus the old car. Other than greater engine smoothness, a revised grille and rear end and a few added tech items there isn’t much here that is really different besides killing off an affordable V6 option. Last year’s ATS 2.0T made 272 HP and 295 torque. This years makes way less at 237/258. The questionable 8 speed carries over. Tight rear quarters and trunk space are also carried over along with the basic same side profile. Maybe the extra interior colors will help some but then as we know GM will do what they always do and cancel half of them a few model years in.
sounds like it’s underpowered
The car is beautiful! But there are so many Experts and so little time…