What’s Really Going On With The Future Chevrolet Camaro
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Word spread rapidly this week that GM had allegedly decided to cease development of the seventh-generation Camaro, reportedly suspending the Camaro program indefinitely, with the current, sixth-generation Camaro being sunset in 2023. So GM Authority has dug in to bring you the latest on the situation.
The Plan All Along
In speaking to various sources familiar with future GM plans, we weren’t able to get a clear consensus on the matter, while official requests for comment from GM/Chevrolet resulted in non-answers that diverted attention to the 2020 Camaro changes, including the new LT1 trim level. Luckily, we can turn to other forms of information to get a better idea of what’s going on beyond the headlines.
In talking to sources who spoke to us on the basis of anonymity, we got a uniform message that the current, sixth-generation Chevrolet Camaro will, in fact, be discontinued at the end of the 2022 calendar year. With the gen-six Camaro launched for the 2016 model year, an end of life in 2023 would give the mainstream sports car an eight-year-long lifespan. According to sources, a seven- to eight-year-long run has been the plan all along. In other words, the sixth-gen model was always supposed to live until the 2022-2023 timeframe. The more pertinent question is: what’s coming after?
The Platform Conundrum
Over the past few months, GM/Chevrolet started initial development work on the seventh-generation Camaro on the Alpha 2 platform, which is a slightly progressed version of the first-gen Alpha chassis used by the sixth-gen Camaro (the Cadillac CT5 uses Alpha 2). Our sources tell us that the decision to use A2 for the seventh-gen Camaro was a decision that was frowned upon. That’s because Alpha – no matter the generation – is considered a “legacy architecture” that does factor into GM’s plans to have the entire vehicle portfolio riding on four highly-flexible vehicle sets by 2025. Here’s where things start to get really interesting.
The only GM vehicle set capable of supporting a car like the Camaro is VSS-R (Vehicle Strategy Set – Rear drive). GM is planning to use VSS-R to underpin all future rear-drive cars (as opposed to SUVs or trucks) with a longitudinal powertrain orientation. The problem is VSS-R is the last GM vehicle set to go into production, and is not scheduled to launch until the 2025 calendar year on the second-generation Cadillac CT6.
And therein lies the problem: the sixth-gen Camaro is scheduled to end production in 2023, while the only platform vehicle set that could theoretically underpin the seventh-gen model won’t be ready for another 18-24 months, according to our sources. Faced with those circumstances, GM explored two strategies for the Camaro program:
- Develop the seventh-gen Camaro on VSS-R, while either discontinuing the current sixth-gen Camaro or extending its lifespan by a year or two, or
- Take the Camaro in a whole different direction, reimagining the Camaro entirely
It would appear as though The General has instead elected for the second option.
Reimagining An Icon
GM has made it crystal clear that its vision for the future is electric, with zero emissions (along with zero crashes and zero congestion). The automaker plans to roll out an entire onslaught of electric cars in the next few years. Despite the fact that the very few people are buying EVs at the moment, The General is pushing full steam ahead to bring to market 20 new electric cars by 2023. In fact, we recently learned that GM has doubled the resources allocated to the initiative, like assigning Camaro chief engineer, Al Oppenheiser, to lead GM’s electric vehicle program.
GM announces plans to introduce 20 new electric vehicles by 2022
Part of GM’s electric initiative is a new, all-electric vehicle platform that we can currently refer to as BEV3. The architecture is being developed to be ever-flexible. It will be capable of supporting all kinds of body styles and all three drivetrain configurations – front-wheel-drive, rear-wheel-drive, and all-wheel-drive. In fact, it’s that very flexibility that GM is hoping will enable it to reach the scale necessary to become the first automaker to turn a profit on EVs. It’s also worth noting that BEV3 will incorporate elements of VSS-R, which is what led us to report earlier that the next-gen Camaro will ride on that vehicle set.
Either way, our sources tell us that a two-door mainstream sports car for Chevrolet is part of future GM electric vehicle plans. That much was even foreshadowed by GM itself in a 2017 slide, above, announcing the EV strategy. Whether that vehicle will actually wear the iconic Camaro name, or be called something else entirely, is currently unknown.
So while all of the above is still subject to change, last we heard, GM has both canceled and not canceled the seventh-gen Camaro, while refocusing its attention to another project that will completely reimagine the mainstream sports car. We’ll update you as we learn more. In the meantime, subscribe to GM Authority for more Camaro news, Chevrolet news, and around-the-clock GM news coverage.
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Back when Sergio Marchionne was still alive and CEO of FCA, he contemplated a hostile takeover of GM…
Despite raising the capital to do so, he ultimately decided not to, citing: there is no way the US government would allow me to unseat the first female CEO in their auto industry. Regardless of what his reasoning for not pulling the trigger was, I wonder what GM would have looked like under a leader who valued fun cars, like the Alfa Romeo brand resurrection, the spinoff of Ferrari, the Maserati Ghibli and Levante, the Dodge Demon and Challenger/Charger Hellcat variants, Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk etc. Instead, GM is stuck with this EV nonsense and killing all their fun cars. Even the upcoming ICE cars like the Cadillac CT4 and CT5 are down on power and fun. FCA makes fun cars alongside their pedestrian commuter cars. GM needs to step it up!
Shame…what could have been.
Sergio didn’t “decide not to”. His game of smoke and mirrors was getting exposed and investors realized that Sergio was full of crap. FCA didn’t have the capital, his plan all along was to convince investors that he was the guy to run the show. Since GM is a public traded company, a hostile takeover can happen at any time – though unlikely.
Notice that during that whole process numerous investors sued FCA citing they falsified information to make the company look better? It was all part of the same circus show.
Ironically to your point, they were doing it to “aquire” EV tech they had neither the money nore experience in to set them up for the future.
GM does make fun cars.
Alpha platform – the best mass produced RWD platform currently in produciton.
ATS, CT4
CTS, CT5
Camaro
Give the CT4 and CT5 time, they are only just released and normally the most powerful models debute a couple years after lower end models.
Then there’s the Corvette, into which GM is pouring development money.
The problem is that demand for fun cars has dwindled as people flock to boring utility vehicles. Declining incomes result in fewer households with more than one car per person, and bad roads make sporty cars less fun in many parts of the county.
Finally, you assume that EVs aren’t any fun to drive, which makes me think you’ve never driven an EV. Let me break it down for you: an affordable EV Camaro would be freakin’ amazing fun on the street, which is where virtually all Camaros are driven. Massive torque combined with a low center of gravity makes for a sweet ride, and if GM can deliver on such a sports car at current Camaro prices then I predict such an EV would be a smash hit.
Yes GM builds a few fun cars but the price of admission is way too high. And they package them with too much crap that I don’t want – auto stop/start, lane keep, auto braking, backup cam, etc, etc. Add in the questionable styling in recent Camaros . I’d be driving a Cruze hatch right now if it was available with an LTG, 6 speed manual and upgraded suspension.
Agreed, GM needs their own Civic Si or GTI. They finally have a refined 2.0T engine to make a GTI happen: the LSY 2.0T with 230hp and 258 lb-ft torque. It’s interesting that when GM finally attenuated the NVH on their 2.0T they ended up with power output similar to the VW/Audi EA888 2.0T.
The trouble is, we all know GM wouldn’t make a performance hatchback that’s competitive with the best out of Europe and Japan. The bean counters would say “that’s good enough,” and we’d end up with a torque-steering abomination that plows through corners with unyielding understeer.
Another route they could have taken would have been to make the Camaro6 a more practical hatchback along the lines of a 2+2 GTR. It wouldn’t have been quite the track monster but at least it might have sold better. The way I see it, even at current Camaro prices, a practical Camaro would be more affordable since I wouldn’t need to supplement it with another car. As it is, like GM made the Camaro for metrosexuals who only drive to get manicures and go clothes shopping.
I wish ford would make the new mustang a hatchback as well, maybe even a 5 door “coupe”. I have had a lot of mustangs, and it really is all you need 90 percent of the time. however the trick is getting bulky items inside it, the space is there, the trunk opening size sometimes isn’t . Any time I had to carry tires to town to get them mounted was always a exercise in frustration. I recall my sibling had a foxbody and then got a sn95. His foxbody, his speaker box went in a few seconds. My older siblings plymouth laser , giant speakerbox went in without a problem. The sn95, not being a hatchback. require him to remove the speakers from the box, put the box inside, then place the speakers into the box and screw them down inside the trunk. He didn’t have power tools, this took like 30 minutes and had to be done anytime he took it to the dealer (dealer employee damaged his speakers once, long story). Hatchback is sooo much better, and I kind of feel like that is 50 percent of why suvs sell so well.
I have carried a couple sheets of drywall in my 4th Gen Camaro hatchback! Very practical!
So what color is your Camaro ? Watermelon ??? With rainbow ?
Jacked,
I Drive my ZL1 to and from track days….
I got grease under my nails and holes in my jeans and stains on my shirt….
however I Drive and wrench…
so you’re wrong…
My opinion gm has never overprice and there products are a performance bargain can’t get something for nothing.
Not my Camaro !!!
To be honest all the pony cars are at risk. Ford is already working on an Electric 4 door Mustang. FCA really has noting planned to replace the Challenger that is already extended and old.
The Pony car segment is a conundrum. Coupe no longer sell in numbers they once did. The pony car is no longer a pony car as it has transformed into a true GT. It also is not a cheap car built on an inexpensive economy platform anymore.
The real issue is do you invest billions into a model that will not sell more than 100K units a year or do you blow things up and try something new that may work?
The formula on these cars is broken and a thing in the past. With little way to make them cheaper and easier to afford for younger people and the lack of large scale global sales there is just not enough cars to support the present formula.
I hate to see this and it hurts to think about losing the Camaro again but it very well could happen. It also can come back but just what will we see or get? Performance cars has become not a must in the market place anymore. Companies have found it more and more difficult to sell these models as time goes on. They all are going to have to do creative things to keep them alive and somewhat affordable.
Note even the Mustang is reported to be moving to a SUV based platform that can also support a car.
I would not write the Camaro off but I would be prepared for some major changes.
Dodge is fully committed to a next generation Challenger. Design is currently underway.
The Challenger/Charger (and 300 “CUV”?) will still be on LX but like the Ford/GM trucks they’ll have aluminum panels and 2.0t as base engines to cut weight and emissions but the V8s will still be available.
The Camaro thing is a little interesting. The Camaro could continue on current Alpha and get major updates like F-body, W-body, Mustang SN95 etc. While a big coupe/sedan will take the torch for Chevy performance and mainstream crowds while handling an electric powertrain (Chevelle, Chevelle/Monte-Carlo?). Maybe this is the plan.
Yes and no. Through 2022-2024 the LX platform will live on, because Sergio decided that Giorgio I should not be used for Dodge/Chrysler cars.
The Grand Cherokee and Durango though are being moved to Giorgio in a post-Sergio shift.
What will happen is Charger and Challenger will either be moved to the new Durango platform, or be held back for Giorgio 2.0 which will launch on the next-gen Giulia.
Coupe no longer sell in numbers they once did. – sales DO indicate that but I’d say mfrs quit building ones people want, especially GM. When they went to crappy FWD they killed so many legends… Cutlass Supreme, Grand Prix, and so many others. The ATS Coupe is to small but I’d bet a CT6 Coupe would do well, that is if GM spent a nickel to market it properly.
China is pushing EV so GM is putting a majority of their eggs in that basket. GM is so poorly run, executes and launches badly not to mention is cutting every bit of value where possible.
As an aging boomer I’d buy a Cutlass Supreme type car or a CT6 Coupe tomorrow but no one offers a proper 4 seat 2 door….
GM already terminated the Camaro7, dude. “Delayed until further notice” is corporate-speak for “your terminated, f*cker!”
I worked at g.m. building the 2nd and 3rd gen.
We were off for 18 months,1st due to bad sales on the 2nd ,and then 8 months for the new 3rd. To retool the plant.
It was a risk that g.m. took on the 3rd gen.
And then moving the 4th gen to Canada.
Then the no more F-Body car. No 1 ever thought they would bring the Camaro back then ,Anf my feeling is if the 6th is the last. This time ,It will be
While I understand the future of mobile transportation is rapidly becoming less exciting and involving for us enthusiasts, (mostly due to government regulations and control) and, more and more people not being into cars compared to those in the past, I’m not looking forward to that world. I like my fun and freedom.
Most people are okay with computerized, electric sofas that get them where they need to go. I’m not liking that scenario personally, but I see the writing on the wall. More control for Big Brother, and less for us little people
paying the taxes.
Soon, (and real soon) even your speed will be regulated. So get ready for no freedom and no fun or passion.
Now, I’m not against GM covering their ass for the future. But, I’m not okay with them dusting off old nameplates and totally disregarding the heritage of said nameplates. It’s almost as if GM is becoming a “Chinese” version of the automaker it used to be. And now, no Camaro? Their must be a way to share that platform even further to make a business case. Rear wheel drive perfomance SUV’S?
I suppose not. So, I think I will take my washing machine for a spin now. Gotta prepare for the future, ya know.
Yes, they need to make a RWD option Blazer SS (read as V8 or at least TTV6) or RWD/AWD setup, nee FWD!
There are enough damned SUVs, CUVs, and trucks in every damned configuration possible. Let us car guys have a few choices.
GM should just end the old nameplates. They’ve ruined so many (present and past), Impala, Bonnevile, GTO, Le mans, Malibu, commodore, blazer, trailblazer, RS, Regal, the list goes on. Why don’t they just go numeric so they don’t ruin anything more. I’m fine with self-driving buses, city owned cars, subways, etc. but not MY PERSONAL VEHICLE. GM fans aren’t fans of GM. Were dreamers. We admire GMs past. We admirer some of its present. We dream of its future. The future we want. Otherwise, you are either an enviromentalist who doesn’t care about the driving expeirience or you are a consumer. All electric is NOT the way to go. Here’s the futre:
*The economy takes a turn when GM has a major loss because of their electric product takeover
*Ford notices and stops in its tracks because they were about to do the same
*FCA/Pugeot starts cuting costs of building (and cuting quality) because the CEO of pugeot is now in charge
*People notice electric is no better that gas because we burn GAS to produce electricity. Wind power and solar power can’t provide
*GM launches a hydrogen project
*Back to basics
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*everybody is in Identical self driving pods
Thank you (fake) Zcat for stealing my name and doing the legwork for me. Cheers bloke!
2020 or 2021, does it really matter as much as the fact that there will be another generation of the Chevrolet Camaro and it doesn’t really matter whether it’s available in 12 months or 18 months as the fact that it is coming is all that is important.
Agreed, and there will almost be an EV model that can do 10 second quarter miles.
You think another gen Camaro is coming by 2021???
The Camaro7 development team was disbanded late last year. It’s over until at least when VSS-R is ready in ’25, though I would wager that there will never be another Camaro. Instead GM will introduce an EV sport coupe that makes the Camaro6 seem like a dinosaur.
Personally, I’d like an ICE with electric assist – for more punch and better FE. I’m NOT in favor of full EV. The infrastructure to plug in simply doesn’t exist in my world. Charging station in my condo complex garage? Nope. Charging station at my workplace? Nope. Electric ASSIST is the better way.
I know for sure it will be called Boltmaro
It’s sad gm spent to much R&D $ on Corvette that is less of a car than my ZL1, also Can’t put a 6.2 in a Blazer it’s fwd bs !!! Cad northstar fwd v8, transverse mount. Nothing Blazen about another under powered GM v6 blazer ?
The LS4 was a transverse mounted fwd V8, they could very easily do it with the lt2 as a base but they probably won’t
Great research and summary. From the owner of a 6th gen Camaro, this is the kind of information I was looking for. Well done GMA!
For the record, I’d prefer they delay a year or to and put the 7th Gen on the VSS-R platform. Bring a 2 door sports coupe to the market and call that one the Chevell-E.
I do not see there is enough information to compare Alpha2 to VSS-R to say which path is better…
Well, the VSS-R is the longer-term direction for GM so over a 5 year window I suspect it would be more cost efficient for them. I’m assuming that dynamics of the VSS-R platform will be comparable to the Alpha platform; I hope GM appreciates all of the good press they’ve gotten for Alpha’s excellent handling and continue with that direction.
I also should have been more specific – the 2-door *electric* coupe should be called the Chevell-E. Use throwback styling and make it a dragstrip king to give the Hellcats fits (at the top trims).
Thank you alex, for writing this piece. Your positive tone, and the research you did, speak volumes to an internet culture stuck on clickbait and also stuck in the past. We will get a fun, exciting, and from the sound of it, all electric modern sports coupe out of all this. And Im positive it will be called the Camaro.
and just to clarify, I’m not sure if I understand the platforms. They want all vehicles on one of 4 VSS platforms by 2025. And it sounds like the VSS-R version will get a variant designed to underpin a group of electric vehicles with multi-model capability, FWD/RWD/AWD etc. And that will be what goes under the new Camaro. However, there is a ton of engineering work that needs to be done between now and then to make that possible, so its going to be a while. They technically COULD put Camaro on alpha2 now, but it wouldn’t be profitable and would take resources away from the longer term project, so while we all want a new Camaro now, the “grown up” decision is to press the pause button, let 6th gen run its natural course, then double down to create an amazing electric sports car for the masses, from the ground up on a platform that is global and profitable.
I’m sold!
Triple Zero. Somebody run that goofy bunch out of the RenCen before it is forever too late! First female CEO be damned! Get some BALLS back running this company! Electric cars are for the golf course!
Camaro will be based on the vss-r. The reason of its delay is that they have decided to add an electric version of this car.
Btw,Alex,where is your article?
EVs poo poo. Me burn dino juice.
So the current CT6 will soldier on until 2025? Damn that’s a long time, 9 years, for a car. Yeah FCA does it but they don’t have the resources GM does. Hopefully the CT6 gets updates in another few years to keep it competitive until Gen 2 is ready. Current refresh is damn good looking but interior appointments will need to be upgraded with new fresh competition coming between now and 2025. That is if GM doesn’t drop the axe on it (which would be terrible)
I wouldn’t buy an electric Camaro. At worst, idgo with an ethanol only version as long as it had a V8 and a manual transmission.
Afraid the EV Camaro would be too quick for you, eh?
To quiet, no c8 thunder, the whine of a ZL1 LT4, screw ev. Ethonal maybe. Just my opinion.
This is the saddest thing I’ve read about the auto industry in the 40 years I’ve been alive.
Gonna hang in to my 65 Riviera and 72 Blazer.
I hope the 2020 Camaro and forward have the LT5
-Go out strong.
Oh heck yes.
The Camaro should go Hydrogen based after 2020 or 2023. I know for a fact that Toyota and Honda and other imports from asia are all going Hydrogen after 2020. Hydrogen is much better than electric for distance, Easy to refill, and uses a renewable resource. It also produces clean drinkable water as exhaust. Electric is fine but only works in certain enviroments. In the cold not so well and in hot ones battries overheat and catch on fire. Telsa has gone to great lengths to cover up there cars catching on fire or exploding from the news. Heck I would convert my 2000 z28 to hydrogen if I could.
I myself like a coupe, especially as we get older. The bigger doors make entry and exit easier if you have limited mobility. I own an 1999 Grand Prix 3800 it has some underbody rust (NJ road salt) and a well worn interior, but the engine and trans are doing fine. So it is still good for around town use. I also own a 2016 Cadillac ATS 3.6 AWD (non turbo version) car. I would consider, as a replacement for the Pontiac, either a G8 or the Chevy SS … Camaro while nice, is somewhat limited in interior room, but the engine has great power and good handling.
GM is on track to be caput from it’s “all EV” fiasco. They are counting on the government to make ICE illegal, fast. There is ZERO infrastructure in the USA to sustain even 500,000 EV sales a year. And there won’t be for another decade.
This leaves Toyota poised to be #1, since VW is on the same doomed EV track. FCA might see it’s fortunes return without having an all EV lineup.
Hybrids are still the future, the smart money is to sell a hybrid and don’t call it that. Sell it like every other car on your lot, but with higher gas mileage.
People are not ready to change their entire life routine around EVs.
Most of GM’s EVs are destined for China where they have smog worse than you can imagine.
“The Government” isn’t going to make ICE illegal, that’s crazy talk and nobody at the RenCen would even suggest such a thing. Reuss has explicitly stated in public interviews that GM expect ICE vehicles to account for the majority of their sales for the foreseeable future.
2025 is when GM expect to be able to profitably sell EVs. That doesn’t mean they will dump 500,000 per year onto the market.
Not sure what you mean by saying there is “ZERO” infrastructure for EVs in the US. Caps Lock doesn’t make it true. I charge my Volt several times per week at public charging stations here in MI. As demand rises, infrastructure will expand, same as always. We saw the electric grid grow in the 90s to support computers and the internet, and then in the naughts we saw cell phone infrastructure grow to support Smartphones.
YOU may not be not ready for EVs. I understand. Change is too hard for some people. They need to cling to the past and complain about newer generations, as American’ts are wont to do. The rest of us will enjoy the benefits of new technology and do as Americans do: innovate and change the world.
“Honda joined General Motors on Friday and called on the EPA to abandon its proposed fuel-economy rollback, asking federal officials to negotiate with states like California to offer a single, comprehensive update to federal fuel-economy standards.”
How much more proof do you need exactly? GM is betting the farm on it. They would not be developing vehicles that lose money unless they thought for sure everyone was going to have to do it. The only way everyone is going to have to do it is if the government forces them, which is what Obama was doing. Now that Trump wants to do away with it, GM is freaking out, because, as I said, they have bet the farm on EVs.
In the end all technology that replaces wholesale another older technology does so because of it’s benefits.
For instance, Electric lights. Go read some of the studies done at the time. The advantages of Electric lights, which were individually and as a system more expensive than gas lighting was, were the reason they become popular and people where willing to spend the money to buy them. No more houses burned down because a flame blew out. No black walls. You didn’t need to hire a guy to go down the road and “light” electric lights. It cost about the same in coal gas to run lights with a coal powered generator as it did to burn the coal gas 24/7 as lights. It’s all very interesting.
What real world benefits do Electric cars have over ICE? Almost none. They can’t be “filled up” like ICE can. The don’t warm up in cold climates like ICE can. As I said, the infrastructure isn’t there, and won’t be for at least 10 years to handle any massive switch to EVs. Go to any largish parking lot, and tell me the percentage of cars to charging stations at the lot. It’s not even going to be a half of one percent.
EVs don’t even pay for the roads they use yet, and they are already more expensive than ICE vehicles.
There is no magic that’s going to change this either. Battery technology that isn’t an environmental and safety hazard that can mimic ICE’s positives, quick refueling, relative safe and cheap storage, pervasive purchasing places, isn’t going to happen for 20 years.
I’m not a luddite. I was in to PCs when the first home one was a row of switches and a row of LEDs for basic input/output. And I know when something isn’t ready for prime time or universal acceptance. And EVs are not. They suck in cold climates, they suck in hot climates. That’s half the USA. Before they won’t suck, batteries have to get 2 to 4 times better than they are now. Heating and cooling are very hard on EV’s and there’s no magic wand that’s going to fix that except the slow long slog that engineering is going to take before it’s fixed.
Half the breakthroughs that could help EVs can also help ICE, extending their useful lifespan as a technology.
I think you’d be surprised by how far the tech has come… Modern EVs use liquid heating and cooling of the battery pack so it’s always at an optimal temperature. They heat themselves when it’s cold and cool themselves when it’s warm, keeping the batteries at an optimal 70ish degrees.
As for charging locations, they’ve been rising as demand is increasing. Yes, the amount of EVs on the road is small now, but it’s entirely feasible to run electricity in a parking lot. RV parks run 240v AC to the most remote areas with no issue; this is the same concept.
There are currently only 30-something hydrogen stations in the entire United States, vs. a network of thousands of EV charging stations. EVs have such a lead on Hydrogen, it seems very difficult for it to catch up. It has quick refueling, but you can’t drive very far (like outside of California) whereas with modern EVs you can drive from coast to coast. Currently, the record distance driven in an EV in 24 hours is over 1,700 miles. In any vehicle, that’s an incredible distance to drive in a day, and a distance that most people would never do. Meanwhile, nearly everywhere you park a car can be fitted with a way to charge it. Even if an EV charges slower, my car sits in a parking lot for 8 hours a day while I’m at work, and at least 8 hours every night in my driveway. It also sits for an hour or so every week so I can go grocery shopping. These are all opportunities for charging. I understand it won’t work everywhere, and if you live somewhere remote, don’t have reliable electricity, etc. it won’t work for you, but for a large chunk of the population, charging problems can be mitigated much more easily than creating hydrogen stations on every street corner. People will adjust to it like they adjusted to plugging in their cell phones to recharge. Those have small batteries, yet we seem to make do just fine. I charge my cell phone at work, at home, and in public when I need to, the same with my Chevy Volt. Few people panic about their cell phones running out of juice, and I think it’s a very small portion of drivers that do speed runs that go thousands of miles as quickly as possible. Most of us would rather fly.
Batteries suck. How often do you have to replace that cell phone because the battery no longer works well enough to make it through the day with even minor usage? Every three years? On my vehicle? No thanks. Replacing the starter battery at $150 a pop every four years is bad enough.
Sounds like more junk to me. Takes 4k to fix there tran mission and what every else they can’t build right and don’t stand behind in let alone the class action law suites company’s that don’t take care of there customers or jobs jobs for there own country man and woman uy what you like they need to do things right
I ordered my 2023 two days ago. My part of PA isn’t ready for EV’s and neither am I. Long live the ICE!!!!