Poll: Would You Rather Have No Cadillac CT6 At All, Or Buy One Made In China?
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In late November, General Motors announced shocking moves to continue restructuring its business that would result in several models getting cut from its lineup. The automaker’s reasoning for the move was to change the composition of its product offerings to concentrate on consumer demand for crossovers, SUVs and pickups. The Cadillac CT6 full-size luxury sedan is one of the victims of the decision, and the model will be discontinued in North America as part of this announcement.
In that same announcement, General Motors also disclosed that it would be idling the GM Detroit-Hamtramck plant in Michigan that makes the CT6, as well as the GM Lordstown Plant in Ohio and GM Oshawa Assembly in Ontario, Canada.
This means that the final Cadillac CT6 units will be produced at the Detroit-Hamtramck facility until mid-2019. In other words, the newly-facelifted 2019 CT6 sedan will only be available in America for less than a year, which doesn’t give it much time to shine at all.
The Cadillac CT6 will, however, continue to be produced at the Jinquiao plant in Shanghai, where it will live on. The Cadillac Jinqiao factory was specifically built to manufacture Cadillacs in China, for China. It is the first facility outside of North America that produces Cadillacs from scratch.
So though the end is near, there will still be time to get your hands on a 2019 Cadillac CT6 and enjoy its new 4.2L Twin-Turbo V8 engine. Dubbed Blackwing, the new V8 will be available in two versions:
- The regular-output variant for the CT6 Platinum making 500 horsepower and 553 pound-feet of torque, and
- The CT6-V (previously announced as the CT6 V-Sport) that will make 550 horsepower and 627 pound-feet of torque.
Cadillac CT6 models featuring the Blackwing motor will likely be very rare and limited in production.
And all that brings us to the question of the day: would you rather have the Cadillac CT6 discontinued in America altogether, or have the option of buying a CT6, but one that is imported from China?
Vote in our poll and stay tuned to GM Authority for more Cadillac news and Cadillac CT6 news.
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I’ll see what the CT5 and CT8 would be next if that’s what’s replaces CT6, let China have the Chinese CT6 then.
I actually think that the politicians and the UAW will successfully keep Hamtramck open.
That being said, why can’t the CT6 be built alongside the CT4, CT5, and Camaro at the Lansing factory? They are all on the same chassis.
Isn’t that what GM is trying to do….consolidate vehicle lines so that they can consolidate production and design costs? Lansing should be building all rear drive cars and (future) crossovers right?
Correction: CT6 is built on Omega platform; not Alpha platform that’s used OR that’ll be used for CT4/5 and Camaro.
The better question would be why the CT6 can’t be built alongside the XT6.
I think the answer is that CT6 sales have been dismal, and GM figures the Blackwing V8 wouldn’t change that equation.
Probably because no one is buying the CT6 to justify that expenditure.
Unfortunately the CT6 is made at a plant that has 3 other products that are ceasing to be made. Sales of the CT6 have to be hitting expectations for the segment, It has outsold every one of its closest competitors. Sales numbers technically and surprisingly are a lot considering the segment.
808 per month as of Sept..
vs 681 per month for the 7 Series
741 for the Lexus LS
284 for the Audi A8 and A7 COMBINED.. (I said the Audi A8+A7 have only sold 2560 units this whole year combined and GM is killing the CT6 for selling 7272)
BTW.. I never could figure out how they expected the CTS or the CT6 to truly show a real un-touched number with the vehicles being so closely aligned in either size or price. The XTS and the CTS we exactly the same price.. while the CT6 and XTS were damn near the same size.. visually the were exactly the same size.. and after the exterior redo of the XTS recently.. even I had to do a double take to tell the difference.
I would put the CEO behind bars for betraying this country. Take the money she made back and put her in jail. What is a worse traitor her giving our jobs technology away for her own pocket or Trump over Russia?
Take a look around, everything you buy is made in China including much of your food. You would be putting your entire corporate sector in jail. Everybody are on their hands and knees begging the Chinese to take their tech.
General Motors, Ford, Chrysler and NASA have all gone the way of the accountants folly. Our concern with return of shareholder equity and making taxes more palatable for the rich has caused us to loose our sense of ourselves and our technical boni fides and ingenuity. All of our technology and innovation in making great things has been farmed out to bigger brains and even bigger wallets. We are risk averse today as it relates to using capital to build worthwhile technologically sound and savvy vehicles that can compete on the world stage. Mercedes Benz heralds it vehicles being the best or nothing, BMW the Ultimate Driving Machine. What the heck America we were first on the moon, world class in the automobile, bragged of a first class work force. Today we are closing valuable, employment providing, pride supplying work places that were once the epitome of the American dream and spirit. We should be ashamed of how we have allowed greed preempt our greatness in the world.
Why does the poll say “North America”? Oh, yes, trying desperately to get all the Canadian votes for a Made in China option because Canadians don’t care where it is made because they don’t make it.
GM is failing because it is not making vehicles in the U.S. like the competition is…Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, etc. all have no problem making vehicles in the U.S. and profitably. Only GM keeps making excuses why it must make vehicles in China and even Mexico.
Nice to see Chinese economy collapsing…It was all fake anyway.
1.7 million vehicles imported to the U.S. from Japan every year. None of those are made by GM.
So you count ALL the vehicles imported from a country versus ONE company, GM? And you “forget” to mention hat Japan is now the BIGGEST foreign investor and employer in the U.S., building auto plants and creating jobs…unlike GM who took American taxpayer money.
You are obviously not that smart or educated.
RealGM
And the $1.5 billion Alabama is giving to Toyota to build a factory there?
Toyota doesn’t design vehicles in the U.S. Its manufacturing foot print is much smaller than that of the big 3. Where are all these Toyota employees?
Poll proves GM is wrong. When 50% of respondents would rather have no Cadillac at all instead of buying one from China, GM is in trouble.
Oh, wait, it already is in trouble with falling sales, losing money on vehicles and market share under Miss Mary Barra.
I will not purchase any General Motors products made in China or Mexico. There are better choices of products made right here. I regret the USA bailing out GM with taxpayers monies. GM’s gratitude is showing us how well that was appreciated.
Very true GM does build its better products in the U.S. Including Corvettes, Camaros, Cadillac Vs. Yukons, Escalades, HD Pickups & Colorado ZR2s.
Pretty piss-poor understanding of basic economics…If you use the intraweb to look around, you might be surprised to learn cars in general are falling by the wayside. Ford is also shelving most of it’s cars..
This is basic stuff here, it shouldn’t be hard to grasp…. people are buying SUV’s more than ever,,,, Why continue making cars (and duking it out with everyone else) for a smaller piece of a dwindling pie?
PLEASE enlighten us, other than “bailout” and all the knee-jerk nonsense that people spew…
Amen
Gm sells more cars in China than in the USA. China is the reason why GM survives today. Are you saying it’s good and fine for chinese customers to buy GM cars, but not good for an american customer to buy a chinese car?
This is not true. GM profits are mostly made in North America
It’s really weird. They take a loan from US government & now they move to China. Next day morning Trump will talk about US economic. It’s a game with many benefits but it’s not good for us as clients. What about the price, if they move to China the price should go down not less by 40% right????
Buick Envision is made in China.
The quality is okay, but the design is extremely bland and the prices are higher than they should be, if anything.
December 19, 2008
that was the day of the bailout…
Just let Cadillac go. They have a long and illustrious history in America and for many of us, there’s an emotional attachment and we want them to be great once more and live up to their history but at some point, one has to realize that dream will never be realized. We’ve waited 30 years for them to get their act together. Johan seemed like he had it figured out and it would finally work this time but he got sent back to South Africa so there’s no hope left. It just isn’t ever going to happen.
I don’t want Chinese Cadillacs. I don’t want no Cadillacs. I don’t want Chevrolacs. I want world class, purpose built American Cadillacs. But I’m not in charge. I don’t get what I want. The people in charge want to make easy money. They don’t want to make history. So, I have to just let it go. It’s not as much ingrained in me but it is much more fun to be a BMW fan. They seldom disappoint and there are already more great cars on sale right now at my BMW Centre than Cadillac could create over the next 25 years even if they did magically start to try again.
Ci2Eye
I would rather have a Luxury car based off the Camaro. Than one based off a Camry or Passat.
Cadillac sedans all (except the XTS) share a chassis with the Camaro. If they are really consolidating to 4 vehicle platforms by 2025, they will have to build many different models of many different sizes off the same chassis.
VSS-R will be the future Cadillac sedans and Camaro. It will basically be an updated Alpha chassis, right?
If so, why not build all Cadillac sedans (including CT6 and CT8) in Grand River alongside the Camaro?
That has to be at least 5500 or so units per month for US and CA not counting whatever handful they can throw at the European market from there: CT4, CT5, CT6, CT8, Camaro, plus whatever else they can come up with for Buick or Chevrolet. Maybe a few new limited edition niche products like a Nomad or CT5 wagon?
CT6 is built on Omega platform; not Alpha platform.
Gotcha. Won’t the future rear drive cars all be on the same general architecture?
VSS-R or whatever?
Why didn’t the build the XT6 on Omega?
XT6 is built on Omega. It’s one of the last cars before VSS-R.
It was built on Omega because they needed a crossover version fast, and they did the same thing with the SRX back in the early 2000’s. Take a good RWD sedan, raise it, add a hatch door and call it a day.
The XT6 is NOT based on Omega. Very far from it. Omega 1 is not capable of supporting crossover/high roof vehicle variants.
Don’t worry Alex, everything Christopher Price posts is BS. He’s a douchebag. Lol
It could be that the Camaro is headed for the chopping block, too
You don’t know what your talking about. The CT6 is built on the Cadillac exclusive, Omega chassis, which is totally unique to the industry. It is the only Cadillac, to date, built on the Omega chassis. The XT7 and XT8, as well as the Escala, were scheduled to be built on the Omega. The CT4, and CT5 will be built on a variant of the Alpha chassis.
The VSS chassis system will the future for ALL GM products, and no, it is not an updated Alpha exclusive chassis system.
Was the Omega chassis designed in China like almost everything from US brands?
I agree with Ci2eye.
I had an ATS and have a XT5. But, I’ve been waiting years hoping Cadillac would have a four seat convertible. Apparently it is not going to happen.
I’m finally deciding that for luxury automobiles I’ll go to Mercedes, BMW or Audi.
I agree about letting Cadillac go, but I don’t get heartburn about sharing some Chevy mechanicals. When I got my CTS-V in 2009, it felt like Cadillac was in the midst of a renaissance and was on the verge of becoming world-class. It’s one of the best vehicles I still own and I sleep perfectly fine at night, knowing it’s a Chevy engine under the hood.
Much as I hate to say it, the brand has been moving sideways since around ’09. The newer CTS-V is 10% better for 50% more money, which I never fully understood. I picked up an AMG43 CUV for my winter/daily driving recently, because Cadillac has absolutely nothing close. Still hoping Cadillac has something amazing in the pipeline, but I fear GM has reverted to its old ways. A lot of GM top management was part of the old culture of being happy with mediocrity & abandoning investments (like the CT6) without fully developing them — and then pointing to some new, unproven upcoming shiny object as the next new thing.
A Chinese version of the CT6 is like getting a breadcrumb when we were hoping for a full loaf.
I cant honestly say that if it was made in China I would not buy one (unlike most cars), however I also cant justify moving production to China when GM is closing so many plants here at home.
I originally thought people were crazy when they called for Barra’s firing……. but now; I AGREE.
She is closing plants, putting her own American workers out of a job, all while investing WAY too heavily in a future that will not be a reality for at least 50 years if at all. I dont think there will ever be a true market for completely self driving cars (with no pedals or wheel). I could see systems like Supercruise being a huge asset, but it makes me wonder why GM is choosing to get rid of it……along with one of their only hybrids.
If GM wants no emissions, and self driving and a bunch of other BS….why get rid of the cars that already fit that category? I watched a video of someone explaining why american companies seem to “fail” in the sedan market, and I had never thought about it…but he was right. if a car doesn’t work for an american company, they will just get rid of it and introduce a new model instead of refining it to perfection. in the past 20 years we’ve had the Prizm, the Cobalt and the Cruze.
I love Cadillac cars. I currently drive a Infiniti and had decided I would by the 2019 CT6 V . However I won’t buy one made in China. GM is a ungrateful user. They never fully committed to the car. It shows in the advertising. It really was none. Also it should have been priced lower. That includes all the models. That way they would have sold more, especially since performance wise they proven Cadillac was on par with the Germans
It depends on how strict the quality control is. Its not like the Detroit made CT6 is built to Rolls-Royce standards anyway. If they can deliver the same or better quality without the tariff’s mark up, then why not …. as long as the V8 is on offer.
I have always loved Cadillacs, but I won’t buy one made in China. I have a 2014 CTS now and really enjoyed this car. However, I may not buy another because of the troublesome CUE system in late model Cadillacs. Mine quit 90 days out of Warranty and I got no help from GM. GM is out of touch with their customers.
I’d rather have one built in Lansing with its platform-mates, the CT5 and CT4.
It was the switch and bait just as I had predicted. NO cars from China is my vote. Xi is willing to have 0% tariff on autos into China and the reciprocal. Trump has been snookered, and the rest of you.
If GM could, it would manufacture everything it makes in China. And so would every other car company too. Sad, but true.
decades ago, everyone thought japanese cars were cheap junk. look at them now.
same thing with the koreans. i’d bet their reputation for quality is at the very least on par with the domestics at this point.
and it will be the same with the chinese.
if the argument for the domestics is centered around nationalism, they will fail. you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel if that is all you’ve got.
Mexico is the new China. Sweat shop working conditions, and the pay…..Mazda pays its assembly line workers in Mexico $3.75 /hr. no overtime, no health benefits, no 401k. I remember listening to the employee saying he can build it, but he can’t afford to buy it…..and when they get here they are no cheaper than the ones that come from Japan……
John E,
There was an article in the China Times Newspaper 2 months ago where they claimed that they fully expect to be outsourcing their lower tech labour to the upcoming lower wage US in 10 years time.
Muricans may not have a choice one day…
What if your Murican brands no longer exist?
Come on. I want to buy American made. I had 2014 Chevy SS and sold it for that reason
GM better figure out what they are doing with the electrification of their fleet.
I hear a lot of talk, but they have to deliver, and soon.
I currently own a 2012 Volt and a 2017 Bolt.
These excellent vehicles have convinced me that driving an electric vehicle is vastly superior to any ICE based unit. And I will never again purchase any new vehicle that does not have a plug in option. When I am ready for my next replacement in January, 2021, if GM loses me as a customer, it will be their own fault. But I will purchase what is available at that time.
They pioneered the market and it would be a shame if they give away their lead. But based on the pathetic advertising they have done with this market segment, I would not be surprised.
And is it so much to ask that if we in the USA are supposed to “Buy American”, that those products be produced in the USA?
Finally, if I have to see one more of the endless “Truck Month” commercials, I am going to puke…..
Jim – Very Happy 2012 Volt & 2017 Bolt Owner
No Charging Port = No Sale!
No thanks to anything made in CHINA! In most cases the Cadillac is overpriced and in some cases lacks the quality of some of the imports!
When I was much younger, the Cadillac was the car of the “well to do”……..Now those folks drive Mercedes, BMW. AUDI, etc.
GM sat on their thumbs while everyone else improved their products……..Remember the North Star V-8 ??
Once you cheat on someone……….it’s never the same!
I own a CTS 03 runs great still…and CTS 4 2011 luxury I bought this cars because made in USA. I will not by a cts 6 made anywhere else but USA. Also I feel the electric power cars are crazy… we have a out dated power grid. Should any foreign country would want to take our electric down so goes the electric car. At least would gas or diesel fuel we could still get around somewhat but the battery would be dead also. Why not try and build a car without a battery and a small generator and it’s so people don’t have to worry about electric grid going down and no electricity. Thank you
I’ll buy it from China as long as it’s a better quality and I can still use my general motors discount because I have a 2017 ct6 platinum and I love mine and I’m mad because we may not be able to purchase another ct6 and I love the size for me and my family I love the ride and the power so yes I would buy a new 2019 or 2020 which my lease is up I would buy another ct6 if it was made out of China please keep it for the American people to buy
Typical Murican! Flag waving on the 4th of July but easily bought with a discount the rest of the time. Spends 80% of his paycheck on Chinese goods from Wal-Mart, Costco and Amazon. Do you realize this is a race to the bottom? Look around!
you forgot trump schlock in your list.
in the race to the bottom in america, the south will win that by a country mile.
just look at where the auto manufacturers build new plants.
I want to vote in the CT6 poll, but I do not see a link to the poll.
Anyway, I already own a CT6 made in China: The 2017 CT6 Plug-In, all of which are made in China and shipped to the US.
Do you have slanted eyes?
Leave them in China!!!!!!! My wife wanted one, but not now!