Car Clash: 2014 Corvette Stingray Or 2012 Camaro ZL1?
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Edmunds.com recently posted the tale of the tape of their test data gathered from the 2014 Corvette Stingray Z51 and the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1. From the looks of things, the numbers are pretty close. Then again, so are the price tags between the two.
On one end, Edmunds tested the brutish Camaro ZL1, which with 580 horsepower, rockets down the quarter mile in 12.4 seconds, despite being 4,096 pounds. The more lithe Corvette, with significantly less 460 horsepower thanks to optional performance exhaust, edges the range-topping Camaro in the quarter-mile with a 12-second flat time, and a higher trap speed. Predictably, the new Corvettes has the advantage over the aging Camaro ZL1 in nearly every category, but that doesn’t mean one would still prefer the pony car. Would you happen to choose the ZL1 over the Stingray? Let us know.
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C7 without much hesitation. I love and have always loved Camaros, but if I was going to a high horse power, supercharged, 4-seater, I’d be going CTS-V coupe.
I’d take the C7 over the new Z/28 too, great car, but the C7 has the characteristics and aptitude to be so much more.
I’d agree with you, but after just finishing time with a CTS-V Coupe, I’m not sure I’d take it over a ZL1. Where the Cadillac is more refined, the ZL1 carries the better racing hardware. Namely, better brakes, bigger tires, launch control, and newer MRC.
Zl1. I’m a Camaro guy. however I envy those who can have both.
I would choose the Camaro ZL1, manual with no sunroof. Why? In 6 months there will be quite a few C7’s running around, ZL1 will always be a pretty rare item. Also, don’t you really need to take the C7 to the track/road course to explore it’s limits and capabilities? Nothing wrong with that, just not my thing.
The C7 just because is the newer model.Now ask that question when the 2015 Camaro comes out,then that’s when things will get interesting.
Here is a better photo, self explanatory
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQMmz90CIAAr0SH.jpg:large
I consider this pic a classic, LOL.
Choosing between these two disasters amounts to weighing hanging against firing squadron. No winners here, both cars are embarrassingly heavy, stylistically displeasing and dysfunctional and fall short on the performance expectations. This is typical GM approach, clearly demonstrating why even the most devoted customers look somewhere else for their next purchase.
In what arena is the C7 heavy? Lotus? Sorry not everyone’s outlook is that of Colin Chapman. This is a base model coming in at an astounding $52.
Go away.
3444 lbs curb weight vs. 3208 lbs base C6, 3350 C6 GS, 3366 lbs ZR1 and 3210 lbs for C6 Z06. If you have problems with someone pro viding facts, you should go away yourself. Learn some math to comprehend my statements.
Lets try some power to weight math then.
Base C6 – 430hp / 3208lb = 0.1340399 hp per LB
Base C7 – 450hp / 3444lb = 0.130662021 hp per LB
0.130662021 / 0.1340399 = 0.974799449 = 97.47%
I still don’t see what your problem is. Your agrument hangs on something that is imperceptible to all but the engineers and their instruments. If you even get to drive a C7, just skip lunch and the difference in weight will work out.
It’s almost like you’re looking for the smallest thing to gripe about, only to hyper-inflate as if it’s the biggest problem in the world. The difference is less than 3%, and you’re acting like the C7’s weight is an insult to your mother….and you’ve been going on about it for the last 3 weeks.
The C7’s weight is a crashing non-issue.
How many corvettes have you owned? Do you have one now? Try LS2 and LS3 versions of C6 to figure what you can and what you cannot perceive. Are you a potential buyer of the new car? I already told you to buy one to even up for me passing on buying C7.
The difference is in the wrong direction, you may want to learn to respect other people’s POV on progress and upgrade. GM just made a big step backwards and lost customers due to their lack of vision. Now, get off my back and discuss the subject instead of attacking me.
No, I not leaving you, and I don’t have to respect anyone’s vacuous opinions if they are support by very, very weak premises.
Respect is earned, not given. I never hand out respect to anything or anyone. That includes you and your shallow opinions you care to share online.
That’s the problem with people like you. You feel your opinions are worth being protected from criticism; to be protected inside a glass dome. You think then when criticism is leveled against you, that the criticism is the harshest, most damaging thing to harm you.
It’s not that your opinions are worth respect; it’s the fact that your opinions are built on such flimsy reasoning that they are unworthy of respect; a process that renders your opinion as being less important than someone else’s.
I don’t have to own a Corvette or any car ever made to run the hp/lb math on it. The math stands as is and with do so forever whether you like it or not. Telling me to first own a Corvette before I can comment on it’s hp/LB ratios is an asinine cop-out to ignore the findings of the math, and you know it. It’s like asking me to believe in your god before I can comment on the validity of your religion.
Back to cars, and considering that a difference of 2.5200551% is the straw that broke YOUR back, I very much doubt you’re in any position to say “GM just made a big step backwards and lost customers due to their lack of vision.” Your 2.52% is a very bottom of the list of reasons why the C7 sucks. It’s not going to drive away thousands and thousands of consumers and it won’t be anywhere near as much of a deal breaker as you think.
As for progress for the Corvette nameplate, a 2.52% decrease in hp/LB ratio is negligible and imperceptible; there will be no long term harm cause by this. That is progress, weighing the pros and cons and going with what causes the least harm. GM feels this fact will harm no one; conversely, you’ll pretend to know better than a powertrain engineer by ranting and raving online until someone has to call you out.
If you like, I suggest you come back with a working argument next time. Something where the difference is greater than 2.52%.
Uhm no, you should have some experience with these cars to make valid counterarguments, pretty obvious you are pretty clueless about them.
It’s not like you’ve made any reasonable arguments either. Yours hangs on AFM and the appearance of the C7. You’re also unwilling to drive the C7, so you’re equally just as ‘clueless’ about the C7 and you like to think I am.
Besides, I can make up credentials too. I’ve already admitted I don’t own a Corvette, why should I believe you that you do own a Corvette? I’ve no proof that you do, and I can’t prove that I don’t; especially when you can’t prove a negative anyway.
Remember, the math supports me irrespective if I own a Corvette or not. You’ve not got a leg to stand on, especially when the strongest argument you’ve ever had is a 2.52% hp/lb ratio difference.
You forgot to add lackluster performance to the list of my hang ups and worthless seventh gear. I am also unwilling to drive Spark and Volt among many other cars. It is pretty obvious from your posts you have never driven a vette nor have you ever owned one. LOL at your mathematical support, right…
You’ve never driven a Corvette either.
Prove it.
What can presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
My math is evidence. ANYONE can do the same work and reach the same result. You can’t can’t even prove you own a Corvette beyond mere anecdotal claims; they’re as worthless in a court of law as they are online.
Here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
You’re back at square one. The math still stands as the strongest evidence on show today in contrast to your hot air.
GM might be losing customers over the new styling, but is gaining new ones. The looks of a Corvette have never before received so much attention, and any pre-annotated notions that a Corvette should for some reason look conservative is foolish, as the Corvette aims to shift its perception in the market place.
The marginal increase in the overall weight is also hardly an issue, considering the entire market is trending in that pattern, and yet there are only five cars that have ever lapped VIR faster, with the cheapest of that group (and record holder) being the C6 ZR1, and that’s twice the price of the Stingray. Whatever you seem to consider a flaw in the C7 — its weight, its tires, etc — doesn’t show it in real world testing, when its beating cars like the F430 Scuderia, and is only two seconds off the pace of the $225,900 458 Italia, on VIR.
This car cannot beat C6, this is its real problem. Drive some corvettes, may do you good. I enjoyed a lot switching from C5 to LS2 C6 to LS3 C6 and C6 Z06. Corvette is a car where improvements can be felt, especially regarding weight loss and extra power. I expect you to trade in your Volt and buy C7 to make me eat my words, I ain’t selling my C6 though, at least not to get C7.
Wait… wait… you’re attempting to compare the range-topping Corvette C6 to the entry level C7? The best word I can think of to describe that is… irrational. Absolutely irrational.
Where did I do this? Reading comprehension is a nice skill, you should practice it, right after you unblock my IP to have an even platform. I suggest you read my response again. Pretty obvious that C7 will be lucky to keep up with the base C6 equipped with NPP and Z51 package. Also, you may want to understand that there will be no new customers, the current owners are the buying majority, if you think there will be enough new buyers to compensate for their loss, you are very naïve.
AGAIN, UNBLOCK MY IP
Well then clearly you’re delusional. Based on the current data collected by both GM and third parties, the Stingray accelerates faster, corners harder, is more fuel efficient, carries a higher top speed, has more technology, more refinement, and brakes better than any other base Corvette before it. The fact that the Stingray Z51 is nearly on par with the C6 Z06 says a lot about how potent the car is and where engineers will take it come the C7 Z06 and ZR1. Didn’t you hear? They’re benchmark testing with McLerans.
You’re entitled to your own opinions. But when you do, please have some hard data, and relevant points to present, as everyone else has.
Also, I have no ability to block/unblock an IP. Must be the site attempting to ward off trolls all on its own.
c7 is no where on par with the c6 z06 you moron. when a z06 pulls a bus length on the c7. that’s not exactly on par.
But it has beaten the C6 and it’s not even on the market for consumers yet… It is going to just keep getting better and keep being better than the comparable C6 counterparts (ie Z06, ZR1)
C7 beat C6 where exactly? These cars are separated by the advances in tires and C7 is limited to the current width while C6 even in narrow version is not.
have you not looked into the specs and times for the C7 versus C6 coupe? close your eyes and point your finger and whatever you land on is a C7 win. except curb weight, which as everyone has said, it has overcome the one aspect by advancing everywhere else.
We get it, you love your C6, but the C7 is better, it just is. if you don’t like how it looks, that’s one thing that you are entitled to, but physics, stats, and the driver’s ass doesn’t lie, the C7 trumps it.
“I expect you to trade in your Volt and buy C7 to make me eat my words”
You’re even more irrational than I thought.
Why am I not surprised that my sarcasm went over your head? Asking rhetorically, of course.
That’s your problem. You’re so deluded, you’ll mask your ignorance to pass it off as a sarcastic bluff.
You ARE deluded. A 2.52% difference is the root of all your belly aching for the past 3 weeks. It’s what’s made you think you’ve outwitted everyone, yet you’ve fooled no one.
I remember having a similar discussion with you about the Camaro a short while ago. I said the same thing to you about your criticisms of the Camaros weight. I asked you if you have ever driven a Camaro or own one so how can you base your criticisms on something you never driven or even or even owned. Do you currently on a c6 Corvette or driven a c7?
3,298 is the C7 base weight according to the GM site specification page
In this photo, is this a front and rear of Camaro?
looks like booo’s at it again, but i would take a z/28 over a c7, the Z/28 will be rarer and i don’t want to be another old guy in a vette, or if i was rich I’d have both lol
Boy Boo, you sure like to stir things up. I don’t think this is the way to get fan mail. If you don’t like the C7, stop reading comments about it. Your blood pressure will go down. I was about to buy another sports car, the BRZ, but after reading about the C7, I was very impressed and decided to get it. My only regret is that I have to wait for it. I could be that “old guy in a Vette” like Jay Leno ( later on when it gets here) or the one on the motorcycle that just blew by you. The last Z28 I bought, I sold to buy an even hotter Vette. They are great cars, but only if you need more then two seats.
LOL, my blood pressure is very good actually. LOL at you considering BRZ a sports car. If you think that thing is a high performance sports car, you should be elated with C5 and save yourself a lot of money in the process. Now, this was funny. Semi seriously now, are you suggesting that only people approving C7 should be allowed to express their opinions? Let me check again if USA was just annexed by Cuba.
Once again, I am a current and long time Vette owner stating his personal opinions based on facts I have gathered. If this does not suit you, learn to ignore it.
He didn’t say the BRZ was a “high performance sports car”. It is a sports car though.
Why don’t you go away, your close minded attitude isn’t welcome. There is a scientific term for someone like you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
You and others have a serious problem with people differing in their opinions. Here is a thought, go away yourself to LaLa Land where BRZ is considered a sports car.
That’s funny, because I happen to love the C6. But that does not change the fact the C7 is better. And yes, the BRZ/FRS/GT86 is a sports car. It is a budget sports car with a keen focus on handling.
Ha ha, good for you and your beloved C6. For me, it is a daily driver not get bored on the to and from work. There are plenty of people considering Civic a sports car too. Yes, considering the skinny wheels and tires, BRZ is all about handling, considering it meets its limits rather easily, I take it should be great for drifting at least,
Rapier vs. broadsword? Try butter knife vs. letter opener for more realistic comparison, LOL.
Thanks Andrew for that comment and Boo I’m guessing you just like to match wits with prospective C7 owners. I’m sure we tend to be defensive about such a highly rated car, and why not, since many of the magazines and consumer info sites are arriving at the same good impressions. The USA, annexed by Cuba, because of opinion posts……ah….no need to check …..a little over the top there.
In regard to the BRZ, it has many enduring qualities, but high horsepower is not one of them. Their sales have shot through the roof around the world though because of other remarkable qualities. Go to the BRZ blogs and kick some dirt on them and I’m sure you will get booed some there too.
But back to the C7, it’s American to the core, and whatever perceived faults you may find with it, there are others that will not care in the least. Common sense tells me to buy an older Vette (like yours) and save thousands, but that wouldn’t do it for me. I have a ’41 Packard and their time worn slogan was “Ask the man who owns one” and that will be me when my C7 gets here. Have a good day.
Ha ha, wit and anyone considering ownership of the first year of Corvette should not be used in the same sentence. Come to think about it and based on personal experience, this should be extended to any first year vehicle GM makes.
Also, it defies logic to see anyone getting defensive about a superior product, if it is so good, it will speak for itself.
Sorry to burst your bubble but GM does not consider Corvette American anymore, it is supposedly a global vehicle, right down to the funny looking bumper fangs and fuel economy attempts. Considering the usual routine of first time buyers buying used Corvettes, a sudden rush of current owners to buy C7 would be a great thing to get the values down. Unfortunately, from what I see, most of the current owners considering the switch are limited to C5 and C4 generations, since this is the only way to actually feel any improvements. May be a tough ride for Corvette for sure. Personally, I am done with Corvettes period. I already ditched my Z06 and replaced it with something more suitable for me, with a couple of more cylinders that is still truly American. When this Vette has to leave, most likely Rossion will be replacing it.
“Well then clearly you’re delusional. Based on the current data collected by both GM and third parties, the Stingray accelerates faster, corners harder, is more fuel efficient, carries a higher top speed, has more technology, more refinement, and brakes better than any other base Corvette before it. The fact that the Stingray Z51 is nearly on par with the C6 Z06 says a lot about how potent the car is and where engineers will take it come the C7 Z06 and ZR1. Didn’t you hear? They’re benchmark testing with McLerans.
You’re entitled to your own opinions. But when you do, please have some hard data, and relevant points to present, as everyone else has.
Also, I have no ability to block/unblock an IP. Must be the site attempting to ward off trolls all on its own.”
Clearly you do not do your homework and rely on test taken many years ago to compare C6 and C7 to claim superiority. Maybe you should check out people with upgraded tires and wheels before making these statements. Magazines test cars when they come out, using OEM equipment. Here is a thought for you, go to a place like corvette forum to get an idea what performance C6 is capable of when equipped with simple upgrades like tire swap. The alternative is to mindlessly repeat what you see in magazines and what GM throws your way.
LOL at the site blocking me, hello Skynet I guess? Must be some great software running this place, assuming you just typed your response.
Is that so? Please enlighten us with the performance specs of the 2013 C6 versus the C7. It can even be the C6 Grand Sport. Throw in the Z06 for good measure. I must be doing my homework all wrong, and I’m sure you’re right that the new Stingray just can’t stack up to the prowess of a C6.
Yes it is. Go to corvette forum and search for stock LS3 ET times to educate yourself on this subject.
Apparently you do not understand that you have to look at 08-09 cars to find the fast times. GM marketing department removed z51 option from base car in 2010 and this is the real secret to fast corvettes-shorter gearing. GS got this option standard to make it faster than the base.
Boo — what’s all this nonsense about “simple upgrades”? We’re talking about an OEM to OEM comparison… apples to apples, not apples to apples that were given steroids shortly after birth.
As for this…
“LOL at the site blocking me, hello Skynet I guess? Must be some great software running this place, assuming you just typed your response.”
It’s your email address that’s the culprit. You see, it appears as though other websites have marked comments left using your email address as SPAM. Our SPAM filters learn from those filters, and vice-versa — so it looks like you’ve been a naughty boy elsewhere on the web before coming here.
On a related note, leaving a comment consisting of one, two, or three letters is never a good idea. For instance:
“k”
“LOL”
“kz”
… are bound to get you flagged by various automated SPAM prevention systems. Looks like you’re the victim of bad behavior on your own part.
Lastly, I’d recommend a thorough comprehension of modern comment moderation tools and techniques before accusing others of censorship (Skynet reference). If you lack said comprehension, then you shouldn’t jump to conclusions and start assuming all kinds of vapid reasons behind your comments not appearing.
Over and out!
Hmmm, let me see… are you suggesting that in spite of progress in tire science, C6 should soldier on using the exact same tires that were available at its release or God forbid, you should not try to put wider tires on the car to keep things in perspective? Now, tire and wheel swap seems like a simple thing to do, isn’t it? Again, both of you really need to do some research before writing this stuff, unless gossiping is all you do.
You’re the one gossiping, while failing to understand a very rudimentary comparison of one factory stock car to another. No where did anyone advocate swapping wheels, tires, or anything else. A simple swap? Sure. For some of my friends, swapping an engine is also “easy” and “simple”. That’s not the point.
Separately, your general tone is very argumentative, but I have yet to see you make a valid point that’s backed by objective facts. So, what is the point that you’re arguing for or against? Let’s, at the very least, start there.
And as a general recommendation of common courtesy, do stick to the facts in your comments and avoid name-calling or baseless accusatory remarks. Because while we have yet to “ban” anyone in the entire existence of GM Authority, we’d love for you to be the first.
If you cannot jack up your car, remove old wheels and tires and replace them with another set, you have some issues… Resetting TPMS sensors on C6 takes about 15 minutes or less, depending on the wheel width. LOL at comparing wheel and tire swap to engine swap. My point is very simple, C7 made no performance progress at all, considering its laughable top end speed, it actually regressed. There is no argument here, it is a factual statement.
Again, do some legwork and search for STOCK LS3 ET times on corvette forum, maybe then you will finally get the point.
This is hilarious. In summary, these have been your arguments. I’m sure everyone will agree, except you, of course:
“The C7 sucks because it looks bad,” evolving to: “the C7 sucks because it’s heavy,” but after recognizing its performance numbers, it evolved to “the C6 is faster,” to “the C6 is faster with just a few tweaks from the factory,” to “Corvette forum users got their C6 faster, don’t trust OEM data.” Even though no Corvette forum user has had the opportunity to do the same to a C7, if they wanted.
Hilarious. Because wasn’t it you that attempted to argue against the Volt based on OEM data, and not real world data?
Let me show you what is really hilarious:
“Manoli Katakis says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:02 am
You keep looking at the listed numbers when real-world mileage is much better, as I stated. But haters are gonna hate, I suppose.”
Hey, is this that new thing called hypocrisy? You are one funny dude. No doubt if GM puts some whitewalls on C6, C7 will compare even better. LMAO
Yet even the listed numbers are impressive… and the real-world numbers will be even better.
What is your point?
I have no doubt the numbers are impressive to both of you, right along the old saying with bliss in it…
Seeing as consumer data is currently unavailable for the C7, I don’t see how I’m being a hypocrite. Again, spinning things only to convince yourself. What’s that like?
Also, judging the C7 solely on quarter-mile times, which are faster than that of a factory C6 GS or Z51, is not looking at the full picture. The Stingray is an even better road course car, which is more engaging than just bang-shifting in a straight line.
Speaking of spinning…. You really do not get it, do you? If C7 uses newest tire technologies, is it possible to improve it somehow? It is considerably easier to bring C6 to the same level as C7 than for C7 to improve on what it currently has. There is just not enough performance gap between these two, this is the biggest fault with C7, one that will not go away. ET is just an example of this, with Juechter bragging about 12 flat and 120-none of which is true as already verified.
Verified by who? Edmunds? A site known more for consumer research than performance testing? Who else? Ah. Nobody. Don’t you think you’re jumping the gun a bit with your pre-annotated notions?
And now your argument is that the C7 is maxed out from the factory because it uses the latest technology? That’s some angle. The Pilot Super Sport ZP tire for the C7 may be advanced, but to assume it’s any harder to improve from there in the same way one could improve a C6 is delusional.
Oh, and since you’re trusting third party data now, I found this: http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2009-chevrolet-corvette-z51-track-test.html
HEY this is the next gen, C7 it has to have controversy, tail lites, weight etc, doesn’t matter , it is what it is… saw a few mag videos, watch em, test it ( youtube) they all love it, not much to complain about, this will be a world beater, especially for the price, and don’t forget the Z series is coming to your store soon. ya
This is good entertainment boys, and its free!
^
Has anybody realized this yet?
Please ignore this guy. He’s clearly enjoying the attention.
Chew on this, beats becoming what you apparently claim you hate…
“Showroom Stock LS3 (2008 – 2013)
11.718 @ 119.94 – AndrewZPSU – 08 M6 – (2586)
11.806 @ 118.82 – Gmrulz – 08 A6 Z51, NPP – (3478)
11.974 @ 116.98 – Proney – 08 M6 Z51, NPP – (4652)
12.058 @ 122.05 – AndrewZPSU – 10 A6 NPP – (5051)
12.100 @ 115.19 – Odin – 09 A6 2.73 npp – (4325)
12.102 @ 117.60 – Dingrao – 08 A6 – (3561)
12.127 @ 116.59 – Pettvette – 08 A6 – (4278)
12.159 @ 115.59 – Old Goat – 09 A6 2.73 – (3708)
12.167 @ 117.15 – DarkOctane – 08 A6 NPP – (6310)
12.167 @ 116.54 – Vinsane112 – 08 A6 2.73 – (2740)
12.186 @ 117.72 – Hardhattg – 08 M6 Z51 – (2686)
12.237 @ 112.86 – 940CACC – 08 A6 – (2871)
12.244 @ 117.83 – 74Vette – 08 M6 – (4617)
12.400 @ 116.36 – RandyDank23 – 08 A6 – (6059)”
Link? Proof? Third party validation? Anyone could have manufactured those numbers, unless you can prove otherwise.
LOL, you should really stop yourself from discussing subjects you know absolutely nothing about.
Apart you and your fabricated numbers? Where is your source of the numbers? Provide some evidence.
If you can’t provide evidence, there is no reason to believe those numbers are true.
BTW, you still haven’t proved you even own a Corvette.
I already provided the source, corvetteforum dot com. I cannot link due to spam filter. Go to that forum and start questioning the ET slips, maybe you will learn something finally? LOL… I always LOL at people doubting owning a corvette, it is a cheap car to buy and own. I LOL even more thinking about the other car I own. Get a good job and you will be able to buy better cars too.
As for the Corvette, simply prove you own it. Your word is not enough.
Hard evidence. Get it out.
Seeing your posts it is clear to me why I can buy cars like Corvette and better and you can’t. I honestly can care less if you believe me or not, I just wish my local dealerships felt the way you do. Now, go to corvetteforum to validate the numbers and leave me alone.
So you really don’t own a Corvette.
I knew you were just hot air.
Assuming you even have a phone, you’re either too lazy to take a photo, or you really are complaining about the C7 for no good reason.
Manoli, denial is not a river in Africa. Try Autoweek, Motor Trend, Road and Track and Automobile for starters. I suggest you get in touch with them and give their testers valuable pointers how to crank out the numbers that could somehow match GM claims. Better yet, offer to run the tests for them, this way, we can rest assured the numbers will match or more likely, they will get even better.
Stingray numbers are even faster from those sites, as expected.
Really, where are those numbers? So far you seem to be busy copying sales brochures and marketing department statements. Still waiting for those crushing numbers, funny how the top speed is being skipped by GM, why is that?
“First gear is good for 51 mph, but we didn’t match those quoted acceleration figures on this day, recording 0-60 in 4.1 and the quarter in 12.4 at 115.3 mph. ”
“Yet as quick and outright fast (there’s no official top speed, but expect it to push 180 mph)”
LMAO Manoli, yes, it is one fast car… These tests really prove it…
Manoli and Alex:
I think you already know that this bitter, negative person (as connoted by his nick) will not stop at anything to prove he’s right (no matter how much proof we have to the contrary) and everyone else is wrong.
The comments section is taking on a religious tone because of this nut–he does not respect the ‘infidels” opinions, he alone holds the key to GM truth, and adherents of the new C7 gospel are doomed to taillight hell.
I can only wonder where all the hatred is coming from.
At least the Ford and Chrysler people gave a nice, decent debate.
I think all you guys have missed the point, you take the ZL1! Why? Well in say 20-30 years the new c7 which is amazing will be just a base corvette, but in the future the ZL1 will always be the top car of its day not to mention the Z/28!
So one day you have the option to say I have a old ZL1 or a base corvette!
Last which one will be worth more in 20 years?
well this has been a very busy topic , and in a way thats good, but brian is right the ZL1 is the one for now until the Z series ya