April 28, 2012 at 3:37 pm #38269
I wondering about if there’s gonna be a cruze coupe or cruze SS. I thought this cause all the other compacts have coupes.
April 28, 2012 at 3:43 pm #39730
I don’t believe the Focus, Dart, Corolla, Lancer, Impreza, Sentra, or Jetta have coupes. That leaves the Civic. But that has always not been the case. Compacts are supposed to be coupes by nature. I wish each and every compact car had a coupe AND a performance variant. (Only the Corolla, Cruze, and Sentra do not have a variant with a significant boost in power.)
April 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm #39732
There is also a Forte coupe, and Toyota has scion tc which is coupe.
April 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm #39733
The Jetta does have a coupe, the EOS. Unfortunately, it’s a hard-top convertible and is much more expensive than the average compact mainstream coupe… VW did, however, toy with the idea of a Jetta coupe a few years ago.
For some reason, they decided against it, but my thinking is they will release it in due time — all thanks to the company’s goal of becoming #1 in volume.
Also, the Sentra does have a high-performance version — the SE-R and SE-R SPEC-V. But the Elantra and Forte are two others that don’t have more sporting variants.
Ultimately, it all comes down to priority. I believe GM is on the trailing end of its product turn-around, with its entire portfolio being new or all-new (no legacy products) by 2015 in 90 percent of the segments. After that, it will have more time and resources to dedicate to more “niche” products like a coupe or performance variants of Cruze, etc.
Other than that, the Cruze Coupe was previewed by the 140S concept:
May 9, 2012 at 12:40 am #39895
In my opinion I think if GM is going to develop into the Global force they claim to be
They need to squeeze everything they can out of there platforms.
In the case of the Chevrolet Cruze or I should say GM Delta II platform.
Develop a full range of body styles from the get go.
GM Delta II platform Coupe / Convertible / Sedan / Wagon / Hatchback / All-Wheel-Drive
Modified GM Delta II platform for SUVs
Chances are you will sell it in some part of the world.
With all the heavy lifting done from the start it should be cheaper to adapt the Global platform to the different brands.
Just look at what BMW has done with the 3 series.
Anyway that’s just what I think.
May 9, 2012 at 3:55 pm #39900
The Jetta has a coupe varriant, specifically, the 3dr Golf. There is also the Elantra coupe you forgot.
But I take issue with this one:
“Compacts are supposed to be coupes by nature.”
LOLWUT? Since when? When was it ever cast in stone that compacts MUST be coupes?
May 10, 2012 at 8:34 am #39901
I agree with Daniel make the most out of thier proven platforms. eg. Delta II, Epsilon II, and eventually Alpha. mabey even Zeta II. lot’s of possibilities there.
May 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm #39922
Wait Alex doesn’t the Focus ST count as a sport variant?? and I think there is a Elantra coupe and Elantra GT
May 13, 2012 at 1:57 pm #39923
@Vic1212 absolutely. The Focus ST will be a great sport option. But the Elantra GT is the inappropriately-named hatch variant of the Elantra, not a sporty version.
I’m with @DanielHana — make the most of the existing class-positioned platforms. Unfortunately, some at GM seem to believe that using different architectures for CUVs (Theta, Lambda) is somehow advantageous. I don’t see these advantages myself, but that may be because I’m no engineer.
May 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm #39932
And then there’s a Veloster Turbo that’s a sport variant
May 14, 2012 at 8:40 pm #39933
Alex the advantages should be that they are more focused and thus better as what they are you know, no comprimises. but thete and lambda arent very good platforms so there is really no advantage
May 14, 2012 at 11:41 pm #39934
So far I don’t see GM doing anything to the CRUZE that would evan put it on my radar. The car is a turd with the engines provided so any ricer (RS) bling added to it does nothing for me.
May 15, 2012 at 7:09 am #39936
@RJION A nice 2.0T wouldn’t put the Cruze on your radar? And let’s call a spade a spade: the Cruze isn’t powerful, but it’s best in its class in safety, ride & handling, and technology… it’s anything but a turd.
@chevtothemax precisely. With the flexibility of today’s architectures, there’s no reason that derivative CUVs have their own platforms.
May 15, 2012 at 7:58 am #39937
yes a cuv based on delta II would e great aslong as they offered the more powerful engines of the group to handle the extra weight. and they could use epsilon II and super epsilon II for the equinox and traverse respectivly. and mabey zeta II for a sport crossover.
So alex the RS will actually have a bigger more powerful engine or is that speculation?
May 15, 2012 at 8:18 am #39938
Alpha for the sport crossovers! Alpha! 😀
In regards to the 2.0T in the Cruze RS — it’s more like wishful thinking…
May 15, 2012 at 9:53 am #39939
As the car is, and with no firm announcements of 190hp or more …….. the car is a “TURD” to me.
“So far I don’t see GM doing anything to the CRUZE that would evan put it on my radar. The car is a turd with the engines provided so any ricer (RS) bling added to it does nothing for me.”
May 15, 2012 at 11:47 am #39941
yes alpha seems better. too bad about the RS i hope there is some power boost though. I think you should be in GM’s product development office then GM would really be a world beater. 😉
May 16, 2012 at 8:54 am #39942
May 16, 2012 at 6:59 pm #39946
You and Manoli should all be in that department.
May 18, 2012 at 2:36 pm #39950
The CRUZE at 3100 lbs needs at least 190hp to make it driveable with some sence of power. 16.5 to 1 for a daily driver works ok. Can move the car when needed, can pass when needed, can run in the mtns when needed, can post fuel mileage, can haul 4 passengers when needed. 190hp with the torque in 4600-5600 rpm range and the car is drivable. What is the CRUZE now …. oh 22.1 to 1, thats not a “TURD” to drive?
May 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm #39951
How about just put the 1.4T with Direct injection and make it up to 160 hp or somewhere around that range. And then you can have the RS with 1.6T and go up north to 200hp and then have 2.0 turbo go up 260-270 hp.
May 18, 2012 at 3:29 pm #39954
@RJION I think your definition of “turd” differs greatly from that of mine — and most other car buyers on the planet. I drove a 2011 Cruze 2LT for a bit over a year; it was not and never will be a turd.
Is it not very powerful? Sure. Not a compact sports car? Absolutely. A turd is a piece of shit. And the Cruze is far, far, far from it. So let’s call a spade a spade, shall we?
May 18, 2012 at 4:13 pm #39955
I believe Rijon said its a “turd” to drive, hes not saying the cruze is shitty, hes saying its shitty to drive, theres a difference, and for an enthusiast looking for serious performance. I would agree, for a average guy who doesnt care, its great.
May 18, 2012 at 6:05 pm #39956
@babersher Perhaps; but even then, I would never call the Cruze a “turd” to drive. It’s bot fast, but handles like a champ, has amazing NVH levels, and the suspension is killer at absorbing road imperfections while still maintaining that communicative feel. Far, far, far from a “turd” when it comes to driving.
On a related note, wanna see a turd of a compact car? Have a look at the Corolla.
May 18, 2012 at 6:41 pm #39957
True, but even you would like to see a more powerful engine in the Cruze.
I dont even know why the corolla is still selling, its not just a turd to drive, it is a turd.
Curse Toyotas Stellar Reputation that sells inferior cars!
May 18, 2012 at 7:12 pm #39958
May 18, 2012 at 9:53 pm #39959
I would also include Civic as well
May 18, 2012 at 10:19 pm #39960
At least the Civic is more or less decent in the handling department… and that dash layout is attractive and useful. That said, I’d take the Cruze over all of the current compacts on the market.
May 19, 2012 at 12:05 am #39961
Id take the focus, then the cruze and then the civic.
I think the Civic SI is a pretty good car and the 06 and 12 are legions better than the corolla.
And the 92-2000 civics are extremely durable and fuel efficient and decent to drive, except the crappy transmission.
May 19, 2012 at 6:52 am #39964
But don’t you guys think the current gen of the Civic just don’t look any different?? And Alex I’m surprised that you wouldn’t choose Focus over Cruze?
May 19, 2012 at 3:28 pm #39967
Yea, it looks the same, and to me, thats a good thing.
May 19, 2012 at 5:24 pm #39968
Why would you think I’d choose the Focus over the Cruze, Vic? And yes, the new Civic looks very similar to the old one… which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
May 19, 2012 at 6:50 pm #39973
I don’t know I just guessed
May 20, 2012 at 4:55 pm #39976
I’d buy a CRUZE if it had an engine, and I sure don’t call 190hp in a 3100lbs car an enthusiast set up. I call it a compact car that can do all of the things I posted above without straing it’s little lungs out. 220-260 would lean to the enthusiast side of things.
The Focus coming in at 2935 and 160 hp …. 18.3 to 1 no-sale Ford.
Hey Alex. when I give my opinion on a car. I’m talking about …. me, I, myself, I’m not talking about you, him, her, or the other guy.
Also I don’t recall me saying anything about a CIVIC or Corolla. I was talking about the Chevrolet Cruze seeing this thread was referring to the Chevrolet Cruze.
May 20, 2012 at 6:48 pm #39979
@RJION With 160 hp, you’re referring to the “standard” Focus. How about the upcoming ST, with 247 hp, 250 lb.-ft. of torque?
“Hey Alex. when I give my opinion on a car. I’m talking about …. me, I, myself, I’m not talking about you, him, her, or the other guy.”
Really? I would have never guessed.
In all seriousness though, your definition of bad cars seems to differ greatly from mine. And as an enthusiast, you should be able to think through the business aspect of making mainstream products (cars) consumable by the majority (drivers/car owners). So what constitutes an undesirable product for you is far from being the same for the “regular” driver.
In regards to Civic or Corolla: they’re leaders when it comes to market share. A conversation surrounding their competitors (Cruze) is often incomplete without mentioning those two juggernauts.
Nevertheless, the point is that Ford is coming strong with the Focus line. Not only is it offering the hatch globally, it’s also introducing the ST with a 2.0 liter turbo. And Chevy ain’t got jack to fight it in the States.
May 21, 2012 at 8:19 am #39986
Alex what do you think about the Dodge Dart?
May 21, 2012 at 3:07 pm #39989
OK lets go back to the beginning as some can not follow along.
To ME the Cruze is a turd with the engines offered. If the Cruze was offered with a 190hp I’d likely buy one. I never said the Cruze needed 220-260 for me to buy it. In fact I would’t buy a Cruze with 220-260 hp because thats not what I’m looking for in a daily driver sedan. So that would extend to the Focus, I would not be looking for 247hp Focus. 180hp Focus would serve me just fine in my daily driver sedan. I’d like eihter car as a non turbo.
Alex: It does not seem as though you understand, because you keep coming back with counter points. There is no counter point, I like what I like and I’m not buying a Chevy Cruze just because it’s what others like. What you want and like in what ever car you like and want is ok with me. I’m not going to counter point anything you have to say because it’s what you want. I mearly state what I want…
May 21, 2012 at 3:24 pm #39990
I don’t think regular compacts would go well over 160 hp not unless is some kind of a sportier version of the base model (not the sportiest ones like SS, SRT4 etc)
May 21, 2012 at 6:06 pm #39992
May 21, 2012 at 6:35 pm #39993
Or not unless you go midsize.
May 21, 2012 at 7:01 pm #39994
Never did I say around 200hp base engine. From one of the very first posts I made in this forum subject Chevy Cruze. I said it would be nice to have engine options for those that wanted engine options. No matter what engine GM is coming out with I stated one engine option for the Cruze that I would go for is the DI2.4L VVT. To have the base 1.4 or 1.8 is fine. Also to have a 220-260hp turbo would get those buyers. And as I’ve said countless times, the Cruze as it is …. is a turd to me. Add 180-190hp non turbo option and I’d most likely already have one.
May 22, 2012 at 8:00 am #39999
So then for you Dart and Focus is also a turd?
May 25, 2012 at 4:51 pm #40032
Vic ………….. has the answer to that question come to you yet?
May 26, 2012 at 12:00 am #40037
I’m just curious that’s all
May 26, 2012 at 10:51 am #40039
@Vic1211 I don’t know about the dart. Have yet to drive one. I do like it, in general though. Chevy needs to compete in the aggressive space wih Dodge, and a specialty like of Cruzen is the way to do just that.
May 26, 2012 at 11:11 pm #40048
Because I find the powertrain in the Dart really interesting.
May 28, 2012 at 6:15 am #40049
I just did a quick search on the net and found only two compact coupes for sale.
Honda Civic and Mini Cooper for 2012. Do people in the states just not care much for compact coupes? hmmm
May 28, 2012 at 6:21 am #40050
Three compact convertiables. Fiat 500, Mini Cooper, Smart fortwo for 2012
May 28, 2012 at 6:32 am #40051
I found 17 Compact Sedans for 2012.
Chevrolet Cruze, Chevrolet Sonic, Ford Fiesta, Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Mazda Mazda3, Mitsubishi Lancer, Nissan Sentra, Nissan Versa, Subaru Impreza, Toyota Corolla, Volkswagen Jetta, Hyundai Elantra, Hyundai Accent, Kia Rio, Kia Forte, Suzuki SX4
May 28, 2012 at 8:24 am #40053
if you’re adding subcompacts you’re forgetting the mazda 2 and honda fit and toyota yaris. to name a few. but you’re also forgetting the forte koupe and such.
May 28, 2012 at 12:06 pm #40054
@DanielHana some of those are subcompacts, including:
However, here are the compact sedans with coupe derivatives in the States:
Toyota Corolla (Scion TC)
VW Jetta (Eos)
Also, I strongly believe the new Focus will eventually get a coupe, since the last-gen Euro-spec Focus had a coupe/hard-top convertible model and the lack of such a variant in the 3rd generation leaves Ford without a coupe in Europe.
May 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm #40055
Alex is there coupe mule of the focus?
May 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm #40059
May 28, 2012 at 10:18 pm #40063
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